Second Life Police.

It appears to me that SL has out grown it's innocent infancy. Every day the populous is getting more and more out of hand. Greifers continue to grief, with a "go ahead and AR me, The Lindens never respond" . I had a greifer caged and was ready to orbit him, I told him if he would just promise to quit I wouldn't, he said he had been ARed 6 times already and hasn't been banned so he was just going to keep on greifing.

I'm sure there are others here that have been in situations where, if there had been an SL police force they would have been the ones to call. It seems most residents only options are to take matters into your own hands; like orbiting griefers in hopes they don't AR you, or ARing them. Which appears to no longer be a threat to most. It's like threatening a child with spanking, all threats and no spank means they are no longer a threat.
The police force in it's self would do more investigating then arresting. They would show up in reasonable amount of time; AFAP, to ask witnesses questions and get the full story at the time of occurrence; well very shortly there after. And in some situations; as in caught in the act, arrest people; cage and teleport to a holding cell. Of coarse it would be set up so even if they logged out, they would log right back into the holding cell till their case is decided; which may only be a time served thing.

What do you think? Does SL need an immediate response 911 police force? Would it be practical? " Yes ma'm, we know, but his garage being .5 over your property line isn't an SLP matter".

Unless it's run by LL (which they state they never will), then it will never work.

No one will allow them on their lands, nor give them the right to "police" on their lands.

If you do a quick forum search, you'll see this topic has been beat to death. I'll chime in first and tell you to put on your fireproof undies cause the flame trolls are a commin'.

*hands Manstan a CO2 extinguisher*
~Jessy

I would rather LL did a better job of reacting to these things but it really seems they aren't capable. If they wanted to institute a program where residents volunteer, are officially sanctioned, and get involved only when asked, it may be doable. But I don't want any group actively "Policing" the grid.

"Unless it's run by LL (which they state they never will), then it will never work." Yes, that is what I meant. And you know as well as I there are always ways around policy

Exactly, I would AR and ban any such "police" from my lands (even if they were Lindens), just as I have to any other griefers I've encountered.

Good luck on that whole "banning a linden" idea of yours.

ahh Kevyn, so you are doing something illegal and wish to hide it?

Ironically I litterally bumped in to someone the other day wearing a 'Police Officer' tag above their head in a club. Oddly enough my innocent bump, done while still rezzing and trying to get away from the green dot on the mini-map I appeared to be on top of, seemed to incite some anger in this self-proclaimed Police Office... he began pushing me back, making some sort of black cloudy poof-thing go off every time he bumped me...

Fools like this are why your idea won't be that viable. You'd no doubt have to worry at some point about how far this 'police force' is taking things and whether or not what they do could be considered griefing to others. Even the moderators of this forum get flamed over and over for actions they take in an attempt to 'keep some peace'. I can only imagine how out of hand it might get with self-positioned 'law enforcers' going around arresting people in holding cells and playing bully to anyone they want. It happens in RL.... SL will be no different.

Uh, ma'am, huh huh, you'll have to, like, assume 'the Position,' huh huh.

According to ToS, you are not allowed to take any action (including caging), just use the AR system.. which is mute....

The only real action you can do, assuming you own the land, is to ban them and wait until they come back with another avie and so on and so on...

LL aren't interested in policing anything unless it is a RL law.

Your Imagination, Your World, Your Problem, You deal with it.. as long as YOU don't break the rules.

No. The lands are open to the general public. But I don't want someone else "policing" them as a "service" to me.

Maybe you should have put on your Construction worker outfit and started dancing with him.

*Mark ducks and runs*

They wouldn't just come on to your land with out being called. And think of them more as Linden's special investigators.
You will have to agree that in most cases ARing is a farce, a waist of time, which has gotten to the point of being a threat no longer.

YMCA...YMCA.

Actually, it does work. Sort of counter-productive to getting Support, but even LL can have a$$hats.

~Jessy

I brought that idea up before and it met the "Linden Wall of 'we-don't-hear-you'" lol

I agree on an investigation team, but the word "police" has a nasty rep in SL and on the forums. *shrugs* Even well meant ideas will turn sour posts just because of that one word.

~Jessy

Called by whom?

Actually, ARing, along with eject, ban, and mute, have worked well for me.

Id rather there were twice as many griefers as there are now,

Than a resident police force / neighborhood watch / spy on your neighbor squad.

Give them any power and they will be worse than griefers in no time.

I find this bad opinion of the police interesting, must just be an SL think. In RL I don't have a bad opinion of the police even though I do have a file a kid could use as a buster seat

Maybe SLCSI. But it has to be official. It's about time the Lindens started taking more responsibility for/with their little creation

ARd anybody lately? It actually works since they reduced the load by allowing estate owners to deal with their own. I got somebody for assault a few days ago (I put up with it for an hour before getting annoyed enough to AR) and I even saw the guy's suspension show up on the blotter.

I've been ARd for having huge prims down on land I bought last week. They decided to take no action because they're just being used for terrain. Hardly blocking the sim. But sheesh, assholes reporting people for things like that are the whole reason the AR system got overburdened in the first place.

Were my huge prims causing him/her a problem? No.
Was he/she being an interfering busybody? Yes.
Lord knows how many other people have been reported because huge prims are everywhere (generally the 20x20 things used discreetly).

A Linden police force? Can you imagine how many resources would have to be pulled from other tasks to implement that? Hire more staff you say? Who will pay for that I say?

Time to get my wallet out?

No thanks. I'll tier down instead.

Sometimes for me too but it's not consistant. Had somebody orbit me twice then (I think) crash my home mainland sim a couple nights ago - filed an AR but haven't heard any response. The person is pretty notorious for this type of thing and has had many ARs filed on them before.

I don't AR lightly and am always careful to clearly state what happened. I don't quite get why somebody orbiting random people and crashing sims isn't a no-brainer for LL.

Second Life is a big free for all deathmatch game.

They never had a police force in Quake or Doom.

Just die, you campers!

RL police are usually well trained professionals, in mostcases abuse of power is rare, and there are channels if it dies occur. As others have said , in SL it would be very easy for any such group tp become greifers as well, unless closely monitored.

I've come across two "policemen" in my 7 months.
They were both full of sh.one.t

'As thick as two short planks' would be one way of describing them.


There is NO WAY that I would want to have people like this actively patrolling SL looking for action.

I have my doubts even about such people being sent by LL in response to an AR.


Response to an AR would be the only sane way of triggering 'law enforcement' - other than a Linden active presence in Linden sandboxes and public areas.
Whoever came in response to an AR, whether Linden or deputised Resident, would have to have their actions under a microscope and open to transparent public review - with names of the non-Linden/non-deputised participants elided.
Deputies seen to be stupid and/or abusive would have to be very publicly banned in order to set an example to others.

We'd then get a new class of super-griefer whose game would be to manipulate a deputy into getting him/herself banned - but hey, you want a badge, be prepared to live by very high standards.

Quote from the famous(?) Daniel Linden video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2642394922604088000
"You can be an asshole in SL, you can just cause mayhem if you want to. But as soon as you specifically target that at someone or group, you’ve crossed our line.
It doesn’t say where that line is , but there’s a concept there….."


I greatly fear that there is a power base within LL who not only chew gum, but do it with their mouths open.
I'm not talking about Daniel Linden here specifically. I have no idea if he chews gun or how he might do it.
However it seems inescapable that if well-know persistent assholes are not slapped, then there is a culture of moronic nihilism alive and well within LL.