Another Go at Ban Lines

Bullshit

I do so love a cogently-presented case.


Oooh Conan! You turn me on. You're so strong!!!

That's a whole other discussion though.

The fact is, if there is a functionality present in the game, then people are doing no wrong by using it. Someone who choses to prevent access to their land is perfectly right to do so.

It is upto LL to change how the lines are rendered. You can talk about what you think is right and wrong all you like, but complaining about how much you dislike people who choose banlines won't get them changed. Asking LL to change how they are rendered might (probably won't, but you've got more chance than if you pursue your current strategy of whining). What works is more important than what's right.

QFSB

It's a fact.

LOL, in my previous sim theres a mall owner who has banlines for everyone on all hs empty parcels around his mall he uses for prims, was like that for 2 years and refused to take them down. He can't seem to work out how traffic from the road has a problem getting to his mall.

Yanno, I'm really starting to be glad I distanced myself from Gor on SL. Initially it was due to meeting my partner (non-Gorean) and not having time to participate in both worlds. Then I was "spammed" (according to Conan's definition ) by my former home with daily IM's guilt-tripping me for not being there all the time, when we tried to visit as much as we could.

As anyone knows who's followed the forums in the last year, when the Gor-bashing starts, I'm in there defending (the sane elements) of SL Gor. I still have several great friends I met on Gorean sims who I enjoy. But the kind of attitude in the referenced quote makes me see why many on SL disdain Gor.




Got me, Sling. Most of the sim is for sale and when I'm online there are at most 3 people on the sim at any one time. It's generally very quiet and peaceful. On the plus side there is a couple who are great people and have lived on the sim since when you were there. Before the new rules re: for sale signs, they put a fence with an alpha texture around their land so it still looked nice but kept them from having to view spinning signs. Now they are removing the sides of the fence where the view is decent again. So, there *are* some nice peeps around

Hope you didn't try to contact him as that would be considered spamming

It is possible that you misunderstood my "Warbluster is not Gor".
What I meant that it can be proper RP to behave in Gor as your Warbluster neighbour has posted above.
Outside of RP in Gor, even in OOC in Gor, her attitude is ridiculous.

I actually RP sometimes in Gor -- as a panther.
In my experience, anyone saying something like "You are quite presumptive and immature to think you had a right to even contact me about anything," in OOC would be laughed at best and banned at worst.

Panthers kick ass!!!

None of this thread was about Gor. This thread was about two people who own a tiny plot on a sim that Czari owns land on as well and red ban lines that the Lindens have programmed Second Life to display when you restrict land access on the land you own. That is all this was about. This was also about Czari using a public forum to make her point with high drama, rather than keep it private. That was her choice, she evidently needed emotional support for her position. Something I don't need. I don't give a rats behind what anyone's opinion is about my restricting land access on land I paid for. If you ain't paying my tier then your opinion is mute. I am not breaking terms of service I am not doing anything wrong. Czari wants to get on a soap box, she can do it as is quite evident by her bringing a private issue to this forum.

So enjoy your little debate. No ones opinion regarding how I handle my land makes any difference to me. Our plot isn't commercial, its a tiny landing point and home spot. Czari prefers to land up in the sky so she isn't likely to be running into me nor I into her. So please feel free to continue wasting your time debating a mute subject.

Its a waste of time. You know what they say about opinions....they are like...oh well never mind.

I'm a new landowner in SL, and recently purchased land on one of the Nautilus sims. The other day, I placed a tree on my lot, but, because the tree is sort of flexi, the SL wind blew the top of the tree into my neighbor's land boundary. He, not so politely, demanded that I remove the tree. I didn't know whether the tree was technically in or out of bounds, but, to be neighborly, I removed it as soon as I received his message. Several hours later, the neighbor added me to the Banned List on his land's Access panel, but kept access to the general public open. I thought it was kind of weird. Now, because our lots are adjacent to each other, and only 1024 sqm, it's rather close quarters. Since he added me, all I have on one side of my property is the sight of the ugly, flashing "No Entry" lines. I've asked him to remove me from the list, but he has chosen to ignore my requests. So, I guess that's how it is in SL. Oh well.....

So why are you still posting here?

You sooooo remind me of your predecessor Witch of Warbluster!!

In the end her own drama caught up with her.



I think that some of those who put up ban lines are only doing it because they can. It gives them a sense of importance and control that they don't have in RL.


*If* someone genuinely needs to keep others out because of a pattern of abuse,then they have a number of option.
Nobody is forced to use ban lines. People choose to use them.
Choosing to put up ban lines in the knowledge of the visual effects outside is the action of a sociopathic mindset.

Nooooooo, Sling...I wasn't referring to you. I appreciated your post/s and understood what you meant by "Warbluster is not Gor" as a comment to Avalon based on her "You don't have the right to talk to me" comment. I'm sorry you thought I meant I was addressing that to you. That comment *would* be proper from a FW addressing a slave in a rp situation (which of course is one reason Norman writes about slaves fearing FW), but I agree - telling me as another inhabitant of a non-rp sim I didn't have the "right to talk to her was totally ludicrous...lol.


My comment about starting to be glad I'm out of Gor and understanding why people who have never rp'd Gor have a bad taste for it was also based on that comment.



Oh cool! I didn't know that Of the friends I mentioned that I still enjoy from Gor - two are Panthers! One has been trying to get me to join her tribe forever, but I'm a city girl *grins*

You sound like a carbon copy of Czari, same rhetoric, same delusions. Guess you got your mental health degree too? Probably out of the same cracker jack box. Have a nice day.

hehehe Hey Czari, the 512ers finally learned their freeb house has privacy windows!
I never see them, wrg time zone, but it's still funny to see their little "Fort Knox" w/ the radioactive blast protected windows.

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Avalon, you're the one picking a fight here. So what if Czari hates banlines as a matter of principle? You and she resolved your individual issue. Why do you have to make it a bigger situation? What difference does it make *why* she hates it?

The recommendation for anyone to put up banlines in response to a person who puts theirs up is because those who don't listen, feel. Typically it is a newbie and when they discover that they don't like having the ugly things right back at them, it invites a meeting of the minds. But as Czari explained, she couldn't find the owner to talk to them, so up they went.

Anyway, for those of us that actually use the ground and try to make it nice, no object entry, no push, no script, and no build is usually sufficient to stop 99% of griefing.

Except, you don't have your facts straight. Czari's ban lines went up the same day she had heard from me. She just didn't like my opinion or response. That's her perogative. She can put the ban lines back up, they don't bother me a bit.

...and then we came to a resolution when you first posted on this thread. You added me to your access list and i took you off my ban list. All was well, until my response to another poster. I admit my reply post to him was snippy, but the post hit me wrong. Perhaps I misinterpreted it but based on that post to someone else you started the whole issue up again and began name-calling.

My response to that ended with:



Last time I went in world I was back off your access list but you are no longer on my ban list and won't be and the above quote I made stands.

Just wanted to include a few facts that were left out.

This whole thread is fascinating. A look inside the minds of ban liners.

Glad I don't have any folks like this in my neighborhoods.

Ban lines do very little to keep you "left alone". They attract attention to your parcel, and provide no protection against people camming in and watching what you're doing. Out of the half dozen parcels in Noonkkot with ban lines still up, only two have any occupied construction at ground level... the rest have wide open skyboxes... apparently under the misapprehension that access controls protect them.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2390

This would (a) draw property-owner's attention to the fact that ban lines do not normally protect skyboxes, and (b) provide the option of putting the access controls around the objects they want to control access to while leaving the ground level open.

That's a silly argument. There's all kinds of functionality present in the game that people are "doing wrong" by using.Particle bombs, noise bombs, spam boxes, pyramid schemes, all of them are using "functionality present in the game". You can get suspended and even banned for using them.

Thanks for bringing this jira to my attention, Argent...voted