Another Go at Ban Lines

/me ducks as I pose this question...truly not meant to start a flame fest on ban lines, but a question I really am pondering

Ok...for most of my time in SL, I've been fortunate enough to not have encountered many of those ugly red banlines and then generally when exploring and not someplace that really affects me directly.

One person on my home sim put me on her ban list when I inadvertently lost a prim while building and it landed in her parcel. I was really thankful to have it returned, but dismayed the next time I looked out my window to see banlines. I sent a note card to her explaining my prim's wandering was totally accidental, and I was taken off her list.

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I currently own one parcel of land that is not connected to the rest of my parcels on the sim - it is close by, but I generally flew over two small parts of other parcels on the way. Until a couple days ago.

One of the parcels of land that is in between was sold and on my little journey to my parcel I came smack up against the dreaded banlines. I felt like a bird that had unwittingly flown into glass (I keep my resolution low so don't see some things until I am right on them.) Turns out the new owners have their land set to admit group only and I suppose that is what puts the banlines up.

I am all for people wanting privacy on their property, but these red banlines are why I prefer security orbs. They don't obstruct the view and if set right give one a chance to just keep moving.

I'm thinking of sending a polite, neighborly note to the new owners asking if they've considered security orbs. Their join date is in 2007 iirc, so they're not newbies who don't know what banlines look like; however, the two people listed as "the group" are Goreans with the "Master" having one of those "Touch my girl and..." well you know how it goes. So not sure they'd be up for a polite discussion. (Hmmmm, maybe I could don my FW robes and pay a visit...somehow...lol)

Anyway...comments, suggestions on how anyone has handled this in the past? It's really not a HUGE issue for me as my resolution is so low that I can't see them from my other property and I now know to fly in an arc to miss the banlines. Just would hope they don't set a precedent. Of course they could be gone soon too.

there is a plot in the midst of my land, that has banlines and has had them for well over a year
I contacted the owner asking if I could be put on the access list so as to not see the banlines, they told me no, because it is private property

I never bothered to tell him that his "build" was above the ban lines


I have no idea why they even bother with ban lines... or even the ability to have that banlist, access list whatever one wants to call it, if it only goes to a specific height

If I need to cross his land I just fly over the banwall

Gah...I guess there are just idjits (spelled that way deliberately) everywhere.

LOL, I flew over these banlines as well and hovered a bit to get the info for who owned the land. Now if they had a security orb, I couldn't have done that for long. *grins*

I have to *tee hee* to myself when I see the 512 that was bought on a far backside on 1 of a places I have.
A couple bought, have a low prim frame of a house, a freeb couch and a rug and ban lines.
If I am around, I am usually on the other side of the sim and don't see them much,
but it all cracks me up to see the ban lines,
"zomg!!! some one is going to sit on our freeb couch or rug!!! *ban lines! ban lines!!!*"

That gave me a good chuckle, foehn! This plot is also a 512 and all I see on it is bare ground with some kind of rectangular structure I'm assuming is a "house" that is textured in grass. Would be kind of cute in a fantasy sim or if hobbits were living there but doesn't seem quite the Gorean style. Granted they may have something higher in the sky, but then why need banlines. With these two I think it's more like they might want to be doing "private" things...errr...if someone "really" cares that much about peeping, guess they haven't heard about camming. *shakes head*

Red ban lines are just ridiculous, they’re so ugly and so unnecessary when there are invisible means to stop intruders.

Ban lines and those hideously disgusting lines of trees, (I forget what they’re called) privacy barriers or something. They are so freaken ugly, some landlords have the good sense not to allow them on their sims, but some sims are full of them! They are just bad taste!

Not to defend anyone who chooses to put up banlines, I sort of understand their reasoning for doing so. Back when I first bought my little 512 plot (the same, and only, plot I own today) my sim was quite a bit busier than it has been for the past year and a half. My plot is situated where two protected strips of Linden Land intersect diagonally.....making for almost ideal "off roading" adventures for people with vehicles. It made for frequent (mostly inadvertant, I'm sure) incursions onto my property......often inside my little house. There is a sim crossing very close to my land which made those crashes into my place even more frequent than would be normal. It became very annoying........and banlines fixed it for the most part.

The banlines are down now because there is almost never any vehicle traffic anymore. Plus my house is now well above the ground. It just is not a problem anymore. But, there are legitamate reasons for banlines. I don't think banlines should be banned but if they were I suppose I wouldn't mind much. And since they are not banned now I don't have a problem with them either. Security orbs, on the other hand do bother me........I've been tossed across several regions because I could not back far enough away before it orbed me. I'd much rather have banlines than security orbs.

What I would like to see is for banline not to have that ugly red "tape" barrier. Just stop entry to the banned parcel with a pop up explaining why........no visual "fence" for all the world to have to look at. Most of the security orbs I've run into have no such visual warning and people seem to accept that just fine.

Don't get me wrg, I have used ban lines twice before, hell I took pics of ppls being ban bounced and get how new land owners are this is miiiiine! Ppls get over it, we hope. I just don't appreciate them as a norm.

I have no problem with ppl having their land restricted as it were

but why do we have to do those stupid ban lines....

it is the visual representation of such that annoys me

I do not mind running into an invisible wall, after all people can make those with prims too LOL

I just wish there was a way to turn off the visual part of ban lines (is there a way in the debug menu?)

haha my second favorite subject is back

People who set access restrictions on parcels that they never ever use are morons and need to drink the Kool-Aid..

I have a new neighbor who has a access list for his private beach front retreat.. which means that now I get to see his red lines if I get too close to my property lines. Funny thing is that the idiot is never there. Good news is that I am also harldly ever there .. so now what?

just in case..

I redecorated my DMZ (a strip of land specifically set aside to provide an additional border) and also redecorated the Parcel Listing Description just in case he wants to know why someone would be so inconsiderate... If I were bored I'd spam his myspace page and send pictures of his pink SL house and his Conan Looking Avatar to all his thousands of myspace friends... but I am too busy for that. haha

If they're Gorean, I can almost guarantee that they'll be building in the sky, not on the ground surrounded by very Earthy things. If so, their banlines aren't doing them any good. Even though they're not newbies, they may well be new to owning land--especially if they're just making a first "outpost" on Earth, having lived on all-Gor sims since joining. So, a very politely worded notecard could be doing them a service, too.

It's still my opinion that the vast majority of whitelist access restrictions like this are just mistakes, and aren't doing anything like what the land owner intended. The setting of access controls should require certification or something, showing that the owners actually know what the hell they're doing and just how little it buys them.

QFT!

That's my only issue...the ugly red visual lines.

Welp, think I'll try a nice note card "Tal" to my new neighbors and see what happens....will keep you all posted. *grins*

i think banlines should be red on the inside of the land putting them up, and invisible from the outside.

Love that idea

Raindrop you're a genius..!!

I'd also like to add that I believe ban lines should be visible on the map. Anyone who has embarked on a voyage within Second Life will understand the frustration of after - quite possibly - a few hours of travel suddenly being catapulted from their vehicle and being told "you are not permitted..." If we can tick a button on our map control and bring up a green dot showing the position of every avi in SL, or a yellow patch showing every plot for sale..why not a red patch to show restricted property!!

Just a thought from someone who has been booted from his boat on several occasions only to see the boat sail onward through the lines.

Here's an amusing little tale regarding ban lines..I was sailing in South Corsica - had been for a couple of hours and had travelled about 2/3 around the Continent - when splash I was in the water and I saw my boat sailing on through the ban lines. As you can imagine I teleported home somewhat pissed off. The next day I get an IM..'Dude come and get your boat'..which I ignore.."Dude I'm asking you nicely come get your boat". Now I figure that anyone who calls me 'dude' has to be some kind of a plonker, but reluctantly I teleport over to retrieve my boat. Upon arrival at the location I find myself the target of some idiot with a rifle. So I retrieve my boat amidst ricocheting bullets and then teleport to safety. I decided not to teleport home however, but instead to my property in Corsica. From there I was able to prove that those inter-sim ballistic missiles you can buy (quite reasonably) in SLEx...do actually work!!

Perre..

this has been proposed many times, and if we keep requesting it, maybe some LL employee will take notice and make it happen.

can the guy who makes the nicholas viewer do it?

As Czari noted, this is an idea that's bound to inspire positive feelings.

It's basic Justice: the person who takes the action is the person who should experience the consequences of that action.

As things stand, it's the innocent bystander who experiences the consequences.

And that violates the basic sense of fairness that we all have (and research shows this may be inborn--other mammals have it too....but that's another thread).

One would think though those security orbs would cause more lag and not
everyone knows how to use scripted devices well often they set it too high crossing over to other peoples land.
Personally I wish they find away to raise the height and make blocking access bit more effective for those of us who don't want uninvited guest for whatever reason.
Yes they can be annoying but it isn't against tos and it doesn't cause lag nor cross other peoples property line ike the orbs do.
There is nothing like being threaten with a orb on your own property by someone who doesn't know how to set it up.

If this is a problem with object entry, then they should put up no object entry. Problem mostly solved. Apologize if your prims slipped onto their land.

You could always ban them right back and see how they like the view.

Due to a couple of 'businesses' in a sim I lived in, most of the land owners had to put up the ban lines. Everyone got tired of all the naked avatars who thought the whole sim was their playground. The three casinos/clubs next to us in two other sims didn't help much either.

Most of my neighbors did add each other to our Access Lists. We also kept an eye on things for each other. It really depends on how good your neighbors are.

I have had to use privacy screens a few times, but I made sure the side facing away from me was almost completely transparent. Figured that was the way to cut down on avies smacking into it while flying. I've talked to those who used the screens to have some kind of nice view or to block ban lines. I think sometimes people get the privacy screens because they don't know about security orbs yet.

I keep my land open access and ban neighbors who don't - I live way too far up in the sky for the banlines to work for me, so banning people by name is more like a statement.

They apparently don't notice, except one case, who banned me personally back and put the parcel up for sale at twice it's real worth. They still don't live there.

If people want to use the access restrictions in the client then let them do so.

The visibility of banlines issue is something that should be directed at Linden Lab.

That's exactly what I did a while back. A friend of mine had a parcel next to someone. The friend put a sky platform up that didn't encroach on the other person's land at all, but she put a 10m cube up right next to the platform, with a sign on it stating her displeasure, and a script in it which we assumed monitored chat. So we chatted for her benefit - about how against the ToS it is and that we would AR her for it. The next day, the cube was gone.

Later I moved my store into the sim where she is and found that I and my friend were banned from her land. Since I now had land on 2 sides of her 512, I banned her from my land. The next day the ban from her land was gone, so I stopped banning her.

For normal red lines, contacting the person is the first thing I would do but, if it doesn't work, I'm a believer in doing it back.

I'll go with making the banlined areas visible on the map/mini map. That would actually be useful for not only those who are traveling, but those of us who use banlines and turn them off when we are gone. Not that I turn mine off, since it's my workshop and I often leave projects rezzed to finish working on them.

At least with them on the mini-map, you could see where you need to fly up to the banline limit and fly over.

Another excellent idea! We've had the same situation happen using our Rendezvous couples vehicle and when I was traveling via dragon.




Priceless story! What I don't understand is how an avatar gets tossed off banlines but vehicles can continue through?