A Word from Blue Linden

Oh? Send me your bear.

What have you done to earn one lately?

Pep (No easy touch)

NO! Clearly you've never been a roleplayer or an actor.

I have 13 or so accounts, all used for roleplaying or legitimate business functions. None EVER used for inappropriate purposes. All are linked to my valid payment info. All are adult verified, using my legal name and ID info. All my accounts are "Basic, Payment Info On File" or "Basic - Payment Info Used". I have never had a Premium account, nor do I ever want one, as I have no interest in owning Mainland. I have never created a Bot of any sort, and have never had an AR against ANY of my accounts.

Tell me again why I would have to eliminate over half of my Second Life, to hit some arbitrary numeric limit?

Better option:

Designate one "Master" account, with identifying information on file. At least a valid name, address and e-mail address. It could also have all the flags they want for adult verified, payment info on file, etc... Then allow all that person's alts to be tied to that account, sharing the payment info and adult verification status. You need to know the Master account's password and reply to an e-mail asnt to the master account's e-mail address to link an alt to it. Or maybe the master account has to log in and accept a dialog stating that they agree that the alt named in the dialog is theirs, and they want it linked to this account as their main account. Misuse one of these linked accounts, and they all get banned. No one needs to know, publicly, which is a main and which is an alt, or who belongs to who. But if you ban one of those accounts from a parcel, sim, or estate, it bans them all.

Any account that refuses to provide identifying information, or to be linked to an existing Master account, could be subject to access restrictions for being "Unverified/Anonymous" status. And we should be able to do a blanket ban on that status, at parcel, sim or Estate levels.

I will quite happily link all my accounts to verifible information. I don't even mind if after the first 5 alts, I have to pay a one-time fee to add each additional alt to my master account. But do NOT limit how many I can have arbitrarily, just because YOU can't imagine a legitimate need for more than a handful of accounts. Other people's needs may be vastly different, and just as valid.

The only negative of this is that some people also need permission testing accounts. For example, as a Registered SL Solutions Provider, I'll occasionally create an alt that is NOT adult verified and does NOT have payment info on file, so I can test to make sure access restrictions for a client, based on those criteria, actually WORK. In the above scenario, I should still be able to make a new alt and not link it immediately, so I can test access permissions, and then have the option of linking it to my main later.

I think I've clearly shown much restraint lately. Gimme!

at the completely irrelevant analogy.


Not since about the first five minutes after I left Help Island. I explore a fair bit of SL outside Waterhead, and almost never see griefing.


Yeah, I took the last name in SL. Close the doors. I don't need 200 different hairstyles or a steampunk airship, either. I want it, I'm not harming anyone else, so I don't need any other reason.


It's a pointless and arbitrary limit. Don't like bot farms? AR the ones that are unfairly using region resources, ignore the other ones. AR griefers. Get them IP banned, I'll back you up 100% there.

So you believe that not behaving badly is worthy of recognition?

Pep (My son hates it when low achievers get praised for approaching adequacy while excellence goes unrewarded; I'm with him on that one)

In the face of such provocation, it is indeed a hallmark achievement.

Mediocrity is its own reward.

Pep (My own standards are higher)

Clearly, I was RPing long before anyone had a computer in their home, and acting as well. I did not - and still do not - need multiple bodies to do either.



Because I have absolutely no proof whatsoever of anything you've just told me. Not that I doubt you or anything, I don't ... I'm just saying that your personal habits had nothing to do with the admittedly arbitrary number I was suggesting. I mean, fine, we can say 10 avatars. Or, to suit you, 15. Or to suit someone else, 20. Or, heck, let's just throw the baby out with the bathwater and say no limits at all, solving absolutely nothing whatsoever, because somebody out there can come up with a perfectly legitimate reason for 50 frekin alts.



That, I can get behind, regardless of avatars per account or whatever.



I'd prefer "can't log in", but that's me. Of course we want alts that other friends might not necessarily know is "us", but LL should know who we all are, and presently, they don't. Those types of accounts are the ones causing the hassles.



OK, fine, I concede. All the alts anyone wants provided they're all linked to a verified master.



I think if that ability is limited only to registered SLSPs, sure.

Also, I never said anything about, "behaving badly." That was a "mediocre" interpretation at best.

I don't want to argue with you, Ghosty, but tell me... How well can an actor perform, if the names of the characters in the roles they are permitted to play are limited to the first X characters that they were employed to perform as?

Example: An actor worked first as "Bobby Banks" in a bit part, walk-on role with one line - "Here's your lunch, Mister."; then he got a role as a tertiary character, Sam Friday, who was a cop that got killed off early in the TV series; Then two more unmemorable roles, Joe Jessop and William Bennington, of increasing importance but one-shot performances, and finally got a supporting role as the Deputy in a popular Western, named Hal Hobbes. He's used up his five roles. Now that actor would like to get hired to prform in other roles, leading roles... but he can't, because the leading man is named Goivanni Georgio, and none of the roles he played before had that name, or even that ethnicity... And the director won't change the name and nationality of the leading man to suit the actor's choices of five existing names. Kind of limits what you can do, doesn't it?

In SL we can't change our name. Which means when a roleplayer wants to take on a new role, they either must recycle an existing account, with the same name, which probably doesn't fit at all, or create a new account entirely. And it's worse if you play roles of both genders, or multiple species and ethnicities. Try playing the role of the female lead in "Gone With The Wind", with the male name "Hal Hobbes" over your head... Or with the name "Miko Murakami" - clearly the right sex but the wrong ethnicity.

That is what I mean when I say that roleplayers and actors need to be able to malke as many alts as they choose. Limiting the number possible caps how many believable roles you can play.

You were "RPing long before anyone had a computer in their home"? Dungeons and Dragons, perhaps? Or Traveller? Did you always play a male elf with one specific name, in every campaign? Or the same handful of 4 or 5 characters, the first ones you created? Or did you play every campaign using your real name, perhaps, in spite of being a 100-year old Dwarf mage this time, or a cute elvin sorceress next time? Somehow I'd bet your character sheets had more than 5 names on them, over the years. Every roleplayer I ever knew certainly did.

They aren't. Nor did I feel the need to change my name to Ko-Ko simply because I gave a brilliant performance as the executioner in The Mikado.

Eddie Murphy has multiple credits under the same name when he plays 5 different characters. What's the difference here?

Yep. His name is still Eddy Murphy.

And it wouldn't be if he had more than 5 avatars in SL?

I'm missing your point here.

Adult Content Forum Transcript
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If one is RPing well then no one knows your name unless you tell them so you can tell me its fred but the person after me its john. I will address you as fred if i call you the name above your head then you dont respond or tell me i have the wrong person. A good RPer needs only themselves oh and if you need it a titler

Holy crap, I give up. If you guys cannot portray more than once character with a single avatar, you aren't very good actors.

Let's stop fighting now. I'm going off to eat dinner.

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If you are going to sell it you need a place to leave it rezzed & available for sale. You also have to have a place to leave a vendor box rezzed if you're going to sell it on XStreetSL. That generally means rent of some sort.

Lindens have said absolutely nothing as to whether pre-teen-invasion (or okay, pre adult (sim) exodus) day rez dates would be 'grandfathered in'. If you know differently please let me know.

At least anyone joining after that day would actually *have* the choice, rather than becoming part of a community that then decided they are better off 'banished'. Why did people fight banishment in ancient societies, I always wondered. It isn't death. Well now I know. Community ties, etc.

I don't think anyone is losing track of the 'choice' to 'visit that area' - that isn't the issue. The 'choice' being lost is anonymity in doing so, and well - it's been explained over and over again. Maybe those who still don't understand why some dislike this idea are the ones who have lost track of the discussion.

As to accounts, I say also grandfather those existing ones in. That debate kind of reminds me of 'undocumented aliens' debate in my country. Some argue that amnesty allows them to become legit and pay taxes, own land etc. Others argue that wrong stays wrong.

Another apt analogy is that yes, while they may not pay taxes (read: paid account) they mostly spend a lot in the actual society. How many extremely well-dressed alts have you seen - no payment info on file? I've seen tons.

There is already an AR system in place for abuse of it i.e. bots. I say unlimited free accounts, but failing that, due to rp alts etc. why not let several tag along on a paid premium account. (As I said before, hey I can dream...)



Whoa, bad idea. Potential for abuse. For instance, have a hunch who is whose alt? Due to wishing to stalk them all for instance? Ban one from your private parcel (which a lot of people have, goodies and baddies) and see what happens.

Also since some people ban almost like griefing, another possible misuse there. What is a positive reason for this rule please? In other words, please don't suggest *more* restrictions Lindens come up with some on their own.

(@ WW and Ghosty re rp alts. Well, explain away being Kajira Supersub AND Brutus McCollarEmAll on the same account please. I'll wait.)

(PS, Pep has a bear?)

this is such a common sense situation

1) teens have NO place on the Adult grid
2) adults have NO place on the teen grid

I'm sorry, but i don't think most parents want their kids coming in and looking them up on the adult grid, lets PLEASE leave this as the last bastion of peace an adult can find and not have to go out and spend a young fortune in the real world to do so.
If your kid figures out way to get in, take the computer privileges away, i mean you are the adult in your home are you not?

As far as adult content on another continent, sorry but i'll lay good money, that continent will cost a lot more in tier than the mature sims do now. I smell another greedy CEO situation here..but whatever, flush SL down the tubes, it was great while it lasted.

My business partner and i spent 5 years building a business of condo rentals in SL, i would suppose sex beds wont be allowed now for sure..if we can't make money in SL at least to cover our tier, we will abandon the land (who in their right mind would buy 3 mature sims where you can't be mature) and they can say goodbye to our $600 a month (yes that's US)

Technically...Yes. That is why it is called the "Teen Grid" and the "Adult Grid"; however, we are discussing merging them. Lots of different ideas are out there. ->Don't allow residents who have not verified age into mature sims ect. The point it is to make the place (SL) a place for all, not just a place for adults.



Well. I suggest earlier about having teens requiring parental permission before joining. Faxing a signature? There are lots of ways. Plus I believe blue said there would always been a teen gird (I could be wrong), so for the parents who don't want their kids with adults->THERE. They can stay on the Teen Grid.





Well. If it is THAT important to you, I would suggest buying land and restricting it to adults. I am sure that will be an option if the grids merge. An even better suggestion might be to get you and your friends together to buy a much bigger parcel of land. More 'adult' space.




Well. Yes. But what if you are an adult who doesn't care which grid your kids are in? If you are an adult who cares-then ok. That is a solution. Another is blocking the connections between Second Life and your computer. I am sure Comodo Anti-Virus would be happy to help you- or if it can't (It can-but it might be resetable) buy some software to prevent them from coming on. Meh. I don't think this is the issue at all though, so I will leave it as is.



Or. You could not allow teens to buy or travel to those sims. (I made a suggestion of blocking the "teens" before. And I doubt it would cost anymore money. I think you are voicing your fears...
UNLESS non-mature sims cost more money. I have never looked into sim purchasses, but if they do cost more money, then your 'bet' is justifiable. Otherwise- IM me with the amount of 'good money' you are willing to bet!


I think that is a little harsh. I don't see why mature sims would stop being mature; furthermore, sex beds not being alowed? Erm. Why wouldn't the beds be allowed in mature areas?

As for your $600 a month. Congrats. I wish I was makign that much in SL =p

Rather smug considering you've just cut down her customer base by a sizeable percentage. Anyone who didn't want to age verify or go to adult continent would be unable to rent from her.

As for going into SL business with others, why should she, she and her RL spouse operate a successful one already, it sounds like. And going in on a sim (with people outside one's family) has resulted in defaults and fraud. You've probably seen past threads begun by people who've been victimised. As for whether or not her condos would be tagged adult, we can't know yet. So I'm not gonna dismiss her qualms outright. ymmv

Not what I said. And I was not smug when I wrote that. I never said adults need to verify-only teens.

So non-verified adults can still do what they want. If a teen makes an account as an adult....Well they can do that now can't they? That is up to the parents to check...and they WILL check if they care. If they don't care-they wont check. So my point is still valid as far as I can tell.