Discrimination based on SL age?

Okiphia,

Oryx suggested that you open your own business, and I agree.

I didn't see you mention what this job was, but if you can build, and own 3000 sq meters of land, then you'd be crazy to work for someone else -- you would be migrating the wrong direction on the SL economic food chain.

And if money isn't your motivation, I also think you'll glean more satisfaction from working for yourself than for some a-hole boss.

I agree with the above post. With your land you can showcase your builds. I'd always try and remain a sole trader, creating and marketing your own products.

If you several have variations of one house, in terms of colour or texture, you can display one example for people to look round and have the others as contents of single-prim boxes with pictures of the relevant house on, to save space and prims.

But even if you are good, don't necessarily expect to sell much, there are lots of other good builders out there too. And expect to have to do a lot of marketing - that's possibly where I fall down, I'm not prepared to invest extra RL cash to market my products.

I have a friend that wont date anyone who is less than 6 SL months old.

She has a long list of other superficial criteria as well.

Now, THATS discrimination.

But lol why should she have to date anyone she doesn't want to?

Hey, just prove these people wrong! Carry on building and carry on having fun doing it. That's the most important part.You have to have fun. And quite frankly, some of the products and builds made by people just having fun are the best and most interesting.
I''ve seen products and builds made by some much-praised 'professionals' that I would be ashamed to sell.

Just have fun!

I'm starting to beat a dead horse here - I'll try to make this my last post on the thread

Age Discrimination in RL is certainly an issue, especially when it relates to older folks being turned down for a job so a younger applicant could take it.

I know we all like to refer in a game context to our length of time in-game, as our "Age". Many of us call our account creation date our "Born" date. I do it myself. Some people even take it very seriously in a roleplay context.

But just because we use these terms coloquially doesn't suddenly make then real. Unless we're talking about roleplay of discrimination.....which hurts my head to think about

I can say I'm 3.5 years old in SL all I like. The reality is, I'm 36 years old.

If I'm discriminated against for a job because I'm 36 years old, yes, that's *age* discrimination, and its wrong.

If I'm discriminated against because of my account age is 3.5 years, that's not *age* discrimination.... its simply me not meeting requirements. There's a huge difference.

I disagree, but as we appear to be the only ones stuck on this point, I'll step back. I don't want this to turn into another hijacked thread

With the quote given on the opening thread, I do not think this is discrimination, it is purely an observation and compliment.

Someone was looking for help in another thread and you immediately offered after only one month in game.

The following answer was your quote and the compliment was "you will make it up in enthusiasm".

I do not see that in anyway discriminatory.

But you must ask yourself this, should I take a step back or jump in feet first, and IMHO you are jumping in feet first.

You are obviously talented in many ways as you described in your post, but other than to your friends there is no proof of this. There is no listing in your Profile either other than a short statement to say you build and IM for quote.

You Build what? I hardly call that marketing..

There is a time and a place and I refer to this because you have answered nearly every thread that has been posted in the past month.You answer with complete confidence and thorough knowledge of SL almost as if you have been here a longtime.

This will arouse suspicion with those that have been hear longer, hence the response in your opening quote"Unless of course this is not your first character."

My only suggestion to prevent these kind of comments is to answer with what you know, not answer with what you think or what you assume.

Regardless of your skills that you have learnt so far or your abilities to build and design, you must put your money where your mouth is, the proof is in the pudding as my old Gran use to say.

Get out there and make yourself known, if you think you can do better, don't try and rub people's nose's in it, show them the facts.

That's why I'm spending time just playing around now. I came into the platform with 3d rendering and some programming skills already. I figure I'll get a year tenure in before I start really making a name.

I am truly sorry to have upset you Okiphia. I´m a grumpy old shit and live under a rock that hangs from my ceiling. So when I say I´m going back under my rock. I MEAN IT!

Let me explain...

I just couldn´t stand another newbie jumping in without any real experience and offering to show others how to build. Even I had made massive builds and spheres and crap just weeks after landing, I could line up prims and texture quite well but didnt know how to do it properly for several months after that but in no way would have considered being good enough to be a personal mentor.

What I did say was you will make up for that in enthusiasm, what I didnt say was all the person needed was to be show the basics to get started and you could happily do that.

Please accept my appologies Okiphia.
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The real tragedy would be if, after another year in-world, the OP doesn't look back and say: "God, I knew so little then."

Absolute, unmitigated hogwash.

Perhaps *you* see age discrimination here, but as soon as you start pulling in "risky, legally" you've crossed the line into make-believe.

Hey, this is SL; by the clocks in here, I'm about 80 years old. It won't take nearly a year. I've even bought one of your AVs and I've not seen one to surpass it in craftsmanship; you'll find your style becomming more refined over time but you are off to a great start.

One of the best critiques I've ever read - about Peter Gabriel - was something like "his technical chops aren't amazing, but what is amazing is that he knows his limitations and puts what he can do to its best effect".

Some of the most wonderful things I've ever seen in SL have been built by newcomers who brought advanced scripting or design skills with them. As well, some people are just wildly and wonderfully creative.

That being said, they will be even better with experience.

Sounds like the OP is feisty...happy building and don't let anyone dim your shine.

I have to agree with you on that... if a year down the road I havent learned a ToN.... well... then I've stopped building. I know I don't know everything there is... and I learn something useful almost every day. But I know enough to be proud of my work, and to know that what I'm making is not just some crap...


And sorry, Kornscope... I was just really bugged by it htis morning,... not sure why.... but yeah...

What does it matter if you're new in town? There are a lot of "experts" that have been around for a long time, and they still make crap. Stuck in their own little rut with no imagination. They may have the skills, but they have no idea how use them.

Heck I won't even date someone who has been in SL less than 3 years let alone hire them. Call me superficial because I am.

I might consider going out with Travis....maybe.

I meant if age discrimination occurred in the real world, not in SL.

Um, just to point something out here... even Linden Lab won't consider you for a Mentor/Volunteer/Liaison type job until you've got X time inworld (I don't know the exact time; I think it's like 3 months or something.) I figure they do this for a few reasons.

1. You've proved that you've got staying power through updates, a steep learning curve, and various grid problems.

2. You've learned how to interact and "normalize" your avatar socially.

3. A longer time in world gives them a track record regarding timely bill payment, Abuse Reports that may have been filed against you, etc.

In short, every single person here needs to show that they are acceptable members of SL society. It's really hard to do that in one month. And I agree with LL 100% in this. I'm not saying that OP might not be God's Gift to Building; she hasn't completed even an LL's standard of socialization period.

Yeah...LL just raised it to 6 months recently. *grumps* *pouts*

Heck, they should have a function that allows you to block all AVs below a certain SLage -- so you don't even have to have your eyes polluted by the eyesore of their n00bishness.

I've got nothing against 'young' builders.




....... unless they're black.

All depends what skills you brought to SL in the first place. I know someone who has been here two minutes but she is stunning in what she can make. This being because she is a 3D modeller and artist.

A friend of miens who is an artist (cartoonist) came into world a coupel months ago. She halso came in with a fair amount of computer experience, an some 3D modeling skills. She made her first outfit within a day of Orientation Island, and was building furniture within a week or two. She used to laugh about being a "newbie," an I explained to her dat she was not a "newbie" in the way a lots are.

To me, ya, I could see where some might be a little unsure of a new person, given dat sooo many come into SL fresh off of OI, slap some prim genitals onto their avvie, and go around IMing people looking for "the sex0r," or attach a different kinda gun an start griefing.

Many, maybe most, don't do that -- but those few bad apples make it hard for people to lok beyond it.

Mari

Okay Okiphia - I am gonna come looking at what you build. Age in SL has no bearing on artistic skills and good taste.

I used to get "hmmmmmm" from my ex no matter what I made. Then again, he was a jealous asshat!