You know what makes me sad?

I could say the same about you, you seem to not understand why some folks will choose to use voice.

Go to places where voice is not turned on, then you will not have to worry about that (unless of course you fault people for being afk, or talking in an im, or god forbid on a voice call with someone in private)

On that note, I am done with the discussion, if you decide to continue, you will be talking to yourself... I wish to respect those who are reading this thread for info and comment pertaining to the topic and have already gone further than I intended.

That's a good idea. I've had people talk away at me on voice, apparently not checking or seeing the 'no dot' over my avatar's head, or the lack of my name on the list of people 'on voice'. I only find out when they tell me in text they were talking to me, or when they seem put-out and I type, "I'm not on voice" which results in their reply, "Oh...I was talking away to you on voice."

Would be nice to have some other indicator, although I'm not sure what. Maybe even an indicator in profile or somewhere on the av that signifies this person chooses to never be on voice. A lot of people do have reasons other than 'hiding gender' for not wanting to go 'on voice' ever.

I can see the bind you are in - you have to turn voice on, to be able to know if someone's talking to you on voice - and then they expect you to talk back. This leaves people who are deaf in an even worse spot. Maybe there *should* be an option for people to somehow show they will never speak on voice. But then people will still neglect to check that before yammering at them on mic...so...yeh.

Because that's what the Second Life they joined was like. Linden Labs forced an invidious choice on them, and refuses to implement even the smallest concessions to make it easier. They're not seeing it as forcing a change on other people, they're defending the community they used to have.
No, there is no choice. There's no action that I can take that will reverse the division of the communities that existed before voice. I can't choose to have those communities back again. You don't feel that division. That doesn't make it any less real.

Um, no. I've already answered that one.

I haven't said "I don't understand why people use voice". You said that you didn't understand why people were so opposed to voice. You belittled me for even trying to explain that. I was all but accused me of having something to hide. And not once did I ask you to agree with me, just to recognize the scope of the problem. It seems like so little to ask for, but apparently even that is too much.

I wasn't even asking for that. All I was asking for was to be able to tell when someone's talking at me and I can't hear them.

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1317 is simply a request for people to be able to see who's got voice enabled (not even talking, just knowing who MIGHT be talking) without showing up as a voice user. It's pared down to the smallest possible concession from Linden Labs to let people who don't use voice have SOME kind of parity on the grid. And they won't even do THAT much.

I don't use voice because I would have to be another Daniel Day-Lewis to pull off the variety of accents and attitudes required to operate my alts. Still I can see how some folk prefer voice over chat or IM: rattling a keyboard isn't to everyone's taste, even when they have the skill to do so.

All the same, it would be good to have some discreet indication that an av is using voice. I never liked that glowing bead we see when voice is activated and of course it's useless when the feature is turned off.

Perhaps the name tag colour could be modified on voice activation? Pale blue would make an immediately recognisable contrast to the standard orange.

I often have name tags turned off but it's a simple enough matter to turn them on for a quick check when I feel the need.

I hav a far of th lttr tht is fifth in th alphabt bt I can't prsuad popl not to us it whn thy typ to m in opn chat or IM. How dar thy!How lacking in compassion!

Pp (Ys, somtims it maks things difficult)

I'd have to be Mel Blanc even without any alts.

And he's dead, so that'd suck.

There's always the guy who voiced Mickey Mouse...oh wait.



I talked about that in the same post you quoted although admittedly my post was a bit convoluted.

I'll vote in the JIRA you linked. It seems reasonable, and would be handy to many.



I knew a guy who just plain refused to voice, despite my knowing him fairly well - there was never a good reason, and I never got the sense he was shy and/or disliked his voice. I wondered for a while if he was female but that seemed extremely unlikely to be the case. I never thought of mega-alts but it would make perfect sense given his personality quirks. And some other reasons. Lol

PS, "variety of accents" - I think enough people lie about their RL location in their profile that it makes it pointless to ask such things.



And sometimes one's hands just get tired! People aren't made to type for hours on end. And many stay in SL that long at a stretch. It's nice to be able to multi task - I've written notes and letters before or surfed the net while on voice, that isn't as easy while trying to keep up with local chat and three or four IMs in text.

Ephraim Kappler roars laughing: he's back!

Oh Jesus.


Think you could manage Sylvester? I always loved Sylvester. I used to watch on tenterhooks, wishing once, just for once, I would see him sink his teeth in Tweety.

I have seen voice used very effectively in SL. A recent example comes to mind is a Novel Writing class series.

I myself can listen to classes but not speak (I don't own a mic). ANd I only turn voice on in very specific circumstances. But overall I do think when used well it enhances the SL experience.

The thing folks need to remember is you can turn it off if it bugs you.

For some of us turning it off is an option as is turning it on.

For others they don't have that option.


And I hate to say it, if a community or group of friends trys to force you to use or not use it... move on.

they are not worth the agravation and hurt... you can still be friends with the ones that are not total jerks.

I remember the whinging when Shadow turned off voice at the ark, but the community there is still just as strong.

How does doing this in SL enhance things, as opposed to doing it with skype or some other voice conferencing system? I'd expect IMs from friends, login/logout popups, group notices and the like to be really distracting.

*LOL* nod nod