62 SIMS: Mainland Linden Water Boating Route (sort of)

by the way, the blake sea sims are all owned by linden labs. The adjoining USS area is private, but as far as i know the owners of the uss sims pay the normal sim tier...

Dude you have issues.

Hehe, I actually think that may work We may need to stop, encase our boats in a scripted bubble and then get on the boat lift to be lifted down to the lower canal. Something would need to tell the Falkirk Wheel not to just go through our vessel.

I think SL physics would support a physical boat lift... it would be a larger version of physical elevators... though a conventional lift would work better than a wheel.

These WERE spectator stands erected above the course, suspended by balloons.



I DID say "correct me if I'm wrong" So, thanks for the clarification. That being said, if the blake sims are owned by Linden Lab, doesn't that imply they are free and open for use by all? And the right of the SSF, or any other sailing group to restrict access FOR ANY REASON comes from. . .?

One more thing, when you copied my post to the slsailing.com forums, you referred to me as "clueless the freebie boat owning newbie"

Excuse you?

Note my join date. Two months before you--unless you're an alt And while I DO have a freebie Tako, I also have one I put together myself out of old scripts from the scripting wiki, and one with custom pine textures by Suzanne Zelucco that I paid L750 for. I also have last years Fizz, and this years Fizz. And an extraterrestrial sailing ship I made myself out of mothgirls developers kit.

Me personally, I don't care what goes on in your group, but you've put off my friend (who's name won't be dragged into this.) To the point where she's stopped trying to go out in her Fizz, and taken to exploring the road network instead.

If you people can't announce races so that the uninformed can find out about them, or accept new enthusiasts like my friend who LIVED to sail her Tetra, and then her Fizz--Don't fault me for pointing it out.

I have a parcel I've put in a dock and enabled people to briefly rez - it's near water, although it does get a bit crowded not far off, with jutting prims from other lots. But anyone who would like to test it out - send me an IM in world.

All I ask is please use the privilege well and to be polite to neighbors and blablabla.

(Basically at this point in game my feeling is that outer land is okay but no reason to go into anyone's home. And in fact I don't even walk onto outer land unless I tp there from search or it's obviously a public place like a mall.)

But I know it's hard to find places to sail, it's one reason I got that lot. I also put in 7 seas if anyone's into fishin'.

I can't imagine why anyone might think sailing guys are elitists.

Does this mean a guest might copy and paste the SLurl to my dock with some insult, too?

Whatever happened to politeness?

I went to the slsailing website and saw the rude post Lance made there (he made quite a few here also). I do not think he is indicative of the majority of folks over there. But I did sign up to post there and am waiting and waiting to be approved. Damn elitists.

I dont race, I am quite comfortable cruising around in my tetra, and when anywhere near a course I know about I simply follow these rules.. watch the minimap. If a group of fast-moving dots appears on a closing course then if I've time start the engine and steer a perpendicular course away from their track.. if they are too close or moving too fast for that to work, drop the sails and drift.. like that I'm easiest to avoid and present least visual impediment. I can resume my cruise when they are past.

that approval thingie is because otherwise the forum would be totally swamped by viagra vendors :/
the automatic signup is broken and the original forum "owner" is missing in action...

Correct me if I got you wrong here, You were ON THE SPECTATOR STAND and someone asked you to leave?
That can't be right, who was that?











I was not referring to you, but to the average troublemaker we have on the race course: join date "yesterday", "sailing" a simple vehicle based 5 prim boat, constantly ignoring all communications.




So obviously you know the sailing forum and website.
There's a google calendar linked there, that has not all but most of the schedules.


now... if you were out in a boat in RL and some yacht club official asked you to get out of the way of an oncoming fleet of racing boats, would you move out of the way or start a discussuin about why that person should have any power to advise you for your own safety?

I was on a boat in RL once, a big commercial ferry, when a couple of racing boats decided that since "power gives way to sail" they could cut across the bows of the ferry and save some time. You can guess how that turned out... nobody on the *ferry* got hurt, but there was no way the pilot could have turned or stopped or *anything* to avoid the skiff.

Yes, that was an officially sanctioned and marked race.

In SL, on the other hand, the boats would have just bumped and moved on, undamaged, unhurt.

they simply ignored the other rule, "sail gives way to commercial vessels" :/
stupid.

Ah, so if I'm running tours through the sea the race has to go around me?

But the main point was this: "In SL, on the other hand, the boats would have just bumped and moved on, undamaged, unhurt."

There's no "safety" problem. The only issue I can see is the potential of cheating... if you let outsiders onto the course a racer could target the lead boat with an alt or confederate.

Blake Sea - Haggerty 77/98/66

IS it a spectator stand? Looks like one. Parts of it say "stand" Apparently put together by Brent Linden. Floats above one of the buoys There's a smaller balloon nearby that offers course maps and tells me there's no race today when I click it.




OK I'll accept that as a backhanded apology. But you know what? It was still a rude thing to say, AND it reeks of the elitism you YOU brought up in your SSF post. You got a few replies that went something like (paraphrased) "Well we're not elitist but I can see where they think we are." It was also mentioned that there was perhaps a lack of communication due to announcements to the "ingroup." That's the sort of thing that DEFINES elitism.




Uh. . .case for elitism gets stronger every minute. I'd say this pretty much answers the question you posed in the ssf forum.

OBTW, Can someone point out that quote by Blondin? Not that we can trust anything he said, but I'd still like to see it.




I keep telling you this isn't about me. You guys go play the Blake Sea and I'll stay away. I'm happy to have you all there far away from me. (But God help anyone who tells me I can't sail into the protected water off my mainland beach.)

I have a very dear friend who loves sailing. When she joined your group and and tried to be friendly, she was ignored. By the time she found out about the fizz cup, they'd stopped taking applications. She can't practice the courses because there's always a race going on.

How about putting up "Want to get involved?" signs at the put ins and stands?. How about an IN WORLD notice that lists ALL the upcoming races in the same places? Yours, and all the other two dozen groups that apparently have the right to push people out of the sims.

Oh, and another thing. The Blake sims aren't Linden owned. They're group owned and I see the names of Lindens and boating "good old boys" Listed as owners. Can someone explain to me exactly what IS the deal with the ownership of the Blake Sea?

Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on you Lance, but, you were the one who took it out of our playground. Sorry if I derailed your thread Leas.



Since you brought that up--I wouldn't be there. But here in SL, the fact that you guys have technical issues that interfere with your ability to play with your boats really isn't my problem. And the fact that you apparently have the power and authority to push others out of the wa of the way so your game runs a little smoother, IN SIMS YOU CLAIM ARE LINDEN OWNED is favoritism and elitism.

I either sail in or float above the Blake Sea on a regular basis and have done so since it first opened. Now I even have a small plot of land that I have direct access to the sea. I do not do races as I prefer to chart my own passage.

I can not say if there have been or have not been any abuses but I do know this: I have never ever had a problem going where I wanted. Races happen sometimes but they have never been a problem for me and I can only recall one time where I have had to do a course correction because of a race. There is more then just one course and when I was interested in trying a course, I could always find one to play on.

The only regret I have is that there are not more people out there enjoying themselves in what I characterize as Linden Labs first National Park. And I eagerly await the day when other areas like this are opened. The moles are supposed to be opening passages around blocked areas in and around the mainland. I would not mind something similar to the Blake Sea area connecting the Fairchang islands and the Mainland. And who knows, maybe one day open water areas connecting all of the continents?

and I'll ask again, WHO told you to leave there?

whoever it was was pulling a bullshit on you, that thing IS the official spectator stand.

I've often sailed the Blake Sea and the adjoining sims, and have never encountered a race in progress or been asked to move. In fact, I just bought land adjoining a Linden ocean sim that connects to the Blake Sea regions simply because I think it's the finest sailing grounds in SL.

Yeah, this. Everytime I go to Blake, there's maybe a half a dozen people on the entire sea, and I might see one of them in a half hour of sailing. The Blake Sea is huge anyway, and even if there was a race going on, there's got to be 20 other completely empty sims around the pack that you can sail in. People are acting like there's some kind of thug flotilla of racing boats that's muscling people around, and that just isn't the way it is.

http://slsailing.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6453#6453

Please go to this link for an explanation. I am happy to activate you. I assume you have registered under Lias Leandros?

I found you and activated you Lias.

Pretty much the same here. Been known to put on a wearable 7 Seas server and sit out and fish the ocean. 's easy. Never faced any trouble, and have even been out there a time or two when there were races going on. Plenty easy to stay out of the lanes.

To the OP: Interesting sailing route. I could see you having some big trouble at Sutherland, however.

Well we can at least get up to Sutherland if Brent removes the ice and inner tube sales - that is a easy fix. Then we can at least boast a 52 Sim sailing route. Stop #54 - the Wakely Bridge can be easily re-designed by the DPW to not touch the water and allow sailing.

1) Bear
2) Cranberry(docked Pirate Ship)
3) Timmerman
4) Pine (waterfront parcel for sale)(21,000 Meters owned by one person preserved well - much respect to Lily and Stimpy)
5) Hatton
6) Portage
7) Thompson
Egan
9) Persis
10) Mayo
11) Calvet
12) Bettger
13) Bava
14) Crooked
15) Miller(waterfront for sale)
16) Burandt
17) Steiger
1 Chaska
19) Hazeltine(snowy passageway)
20) Skari
21) Ohno
22) Heaton
23) Thams
24) Eagan
25)Valmorel
26) Oberstdorf
27)Wengen
**2 Voss(NOT PASSABLE - Brent Linden blocked waterway with rocks and prim ice)
**29) Zermatt (NOT PASSABLE -more Linden Ice) (Free Linden Ice Skates)
30) Anton
31) Kitzbuhel
**32) Garmisch- TOO NARROW - DPW needs to terraform and make wider for boats.
33) Alberg
**34) Tethys (WATERWAY COMPLETELY BLOCKED by Linden inner tube sales platform on water) AND at other end of sim: (Linden Dam and waterfall)*(Most of sim for sale - both sides of waterway)
35) Enceladus (Alot of sim for sale)
36) Bragg
37) Steamboat
3 Whiskey
**39) Clarksburg (Down Waterfall) (Nearly full sim for sale with waterfront property)
40) Ross
41) Biscay
42) Kara
43) Barents (Nice Pirate ships in the water)
44) Amudsen
45) Lakeview
46) Drawbridge
47) Ionian
4 Azvoz
49) Agean
50) Adriatic
51) Bothnia
52) Lily ( Lilly Beach - very nicely done http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lily/142/128/27)
**The Lily Bridge supports need to be pulled apart to allow clearer boating http://slurl.com/secondlife/Sutherland/16/174/30
**53) Sutherland(Linden Damn blocking waterway along with a huge prim from a residential rental group)
**54) Wakely(Linden Bridge touches the water - no clearance for boats). Sutherland is one of those unfortunate sims where the Lindens sold the waterway to residents. If the DPW moves the bridge up in Wakely and deletes the damn in Sutherland - I am sure that the resident would move her prim and we could boat through here.
55) Hume
56) Inga
57) Kariba
5 Itaipu
59) Mactaquac
60) Oyster
61) Sawdel(waterfront Parcel for sale)(I used to own alot of this land. Much respect for the owners that kept the water clear since 2005)
62) Nepessing (large waterfront abandoned parcel)
Bear(BACK TO STARTING POINT)

Please add these suggestions to the Jira.

http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/MISC-1470

Even if you removed the dam, it would not free up the waterway. 1) the land under the damn is owned by someone, and 2) the water on the two different sides of the dam is at different levels (as is the case in a number of places on the mainland).