The Thieves Motherload

No...I'm not on Twitter or Facebook. Well RL me, anyway.




To be truthful...I don't trust a government agency any more than a for profit business nowadays...perhaps less so. In any event the info I have given to LL is the same I pretty much have given a whole host of businesses and agencies. I doubt they can do anything with it that hasn't been done already. And if they did ask for any further documentation, I would be out the door right behind you.

Anonymous accounts are a madness in this user generated content 3D world. No other future UGC virtual world will ever allow this, never, not a chance !

Let's not forget that World of Warcraft have no problems aquiring paying users. 16 million of them .... all paying customers

FREE anonymous, fully featured accounts are a nonesense.

Makes no sense from a business point of view, no sense at all

You have to be able to demonstrate legal presence and are required to have identification with your current address. Ask your DMV next time you go in.


How many years ago did you move to CO? Laws changed and became much stricter the places I know, including here in VA after 9/11.

/me sighs as yet another thread drives off the cliff, arguing about stuff LL will never change.

That's for sure. Here, before 9/11, you could still get the paper, non photo license and renew it by mail. Now, all are photo licenses and you must renew it in person every time.

Oh admit it! You missed me sooooo much!

What "buried"? I would *absolutely*, if I were in Ruritania and couldn't get verified, set up a vendor to sell *my stuff* that would take the L$ and give people a download URL to download the XML-ZIP package of my product for them to upload to SL themselves. This would be totally legitimate, reasonable, and straight-up.

This has already happened. Until Apple was able to take iTunes DRM-free, it was easier to get a decent product from bittorrent than to buy it legitimately. Back in the '80s, it was easier and quicker to download the latest Infocom games from BBSes than to buy them from Babbages. If the majority of the grid is unverified (which was Linden Labs claim, bck in 20006, that the majority of new users were from outside the US and could only get in because they opened the grid up to unverifieds) then whatever they have to do is going to become the norm.

To make this work, LL has to solve the verification problem, world wide. HAS TO. There is no alternative. And if they can do that:

Option 3: don't let new unverifieds get accounts.

That's the one that can work.

Don't put me in a box!

Wrong guy, I'm the Blue Mars guy!

Actually, I'm bivirtual, living in both SL and Blue Mars

The Blue Mars model does bear some looking at though, in case it has a solution to this problem (or not).

Blue Mars does not have any anonymous creators.

It is not difficult to copy content from Blue Mars, in fact it is probably easier than in SL. You can copy an entire city (all builds and their textures, but minus the scripts, animations and sounds) with freely available software.

The tactics that Blue Mars are using though is quite different to SL. Blue Mars requires EVERY content creator to register with verifiable ID, including your name, address, age, Credit Card details etc (players who do not wish to give their RL info can still play, but not create). They then assume that by having that RL info on file (which they do verify) will deter people from re-uploading stolen content back into Blue Mars, as they will be clearly identified, clearly banned (not some anonymous avatar with a throw-away email address) and will be able to pass your details to any law-enforcement officials or court subpoenas that come knocking.

So, by shifting the focus away from trying to prevent copying, to trying to strongly deter that stolen content from being re-introduced, they feel this is a worthwhile tactic.

I would be very interested in hearing the views of others here on this, and whether you think their strategy looks promising, or has holes in it.

Rock

20006? Have I been asleep? I feel like Sleeping Beauty

I moved to Colorado almost 20 yrs ago, however the info I posted about only needing my passport is current -- pulled it straight from the Colorado DMV site to post -- and the passport does not even need to still be good, just no more than 10 yrs past expiration:

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite?c=Document_C&cid=1186476452033&pagename=Revenue-MV%2FDocument_C%2FRMVAddLink

We can still renew by mail if it is not expired.

Hey - keep that kind of talk out of these PG forums.

Yes, and you just woke up and we are still here, talkin about the same old s***.......kinda scary.

Phil hasn't realised the full shocking truth yet, we've all turned into bots and have taken over, now the humans work for us!

I remember a while ago someone mentioned there is a way to detect if someone is using an illegal copying viewer if you are using the Emerald Viewer.

Anyone know how ? I work at one of the biggest shopping mals in SL so it would be useful to know if anyone is copying items there so I can ban and AR.

Maxi

I want a raise. And a Health Plan.

Dunno about the other "bad" viewers, but Emerald seems to do a pretty good job with identifying Cryolife users - even those trying to hide behind LGG Proxy. It also identified a couple of VLife users for me.

hiyya Katheryn

how do you know tho? I use Emerald and I can see when other Emerald users are using the same viewer. Does it display in the RADAR ? Just need to know what I'm looking for and if I need to turn a setting on or something. There are soooo many feaures in the Emerald viewer so I want to make sure I know where to look.

Maxi

It shows up in their nametag, and the nametag text changes color. People who use the normal LL viewer (and CoolSL viewer) show up in the normal brownish-yellow text (and "Unknown" in the radar). Fellow Emerald users show up with green text and (Emerald) appended to their name. Other viewers show up in a different color with the viewer name appended to their name.

Be aware, though, that a malicious viewer can spoof other viewers, or even appear as "unknown", so identifications should not be taken as gospel. But there is a good chance that, if Emerald identifies a VLife or Cryolife user, then it's probably accurate.

The Lindens will stop the thieves when they figure out how to pay tier without real Lindens in their account, or how to rename/move regions, change ownership. Then and only then will this rampage stop!!! When their income is threatened change will happen.

And that sucks big time!!!

No, but it is limited to sims that you are currently connected to, as a primary or child agent.

If you're in Ahern, it won't show you who is in Limbo, for example.

Actually, in Colorado, there are 4 Identification "Elements" that are required: Identity, Age, Name, and Lawful Presence. Some documents provide all 4, but not all. In many cases, states which require more than one piece of ID to get a DL are basically just attempting to fulfill the same or similar set of requirements.

Even still, the requirements for Passports are even more stringent than for Drivers' Licenses, so that's why they generally allow Passports to be used as sole identification to cover all Identification "Elements". If you have a passport, you've already been through the rigmarole.

I wonder if Linden Lab understands that winning the case may not be a win in the long run.

I can imagine a court opinion that admonishes the plaintiffs: "Over the course of doing business with Linden Lab, the plaintiffs discovered that Linden Lab was incompetent and unable to live up to its implied obligations, yet the plaintiffs continued to do business with Linden Lab anyway. The plaintiffs should have mitigated their damages by ceasing to do business with Linden Lab upon learning that Linden Lab is managed by idiots. By continuing to do business with such an incompetent company, plaintiffs assumed the risk of Linden Lab's incompetence. This is what plaintiffs get for doing business with a company with continuing, demonstated incompetence."