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Raudf Fox
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11-13-2007 18:11
Well, the main difference I see is that they used the words sexual ageplay rather than just ageplay. And they did define it a lot better, so that short avatars, avatars with childlike appearance, and non-sexual ageplayers need not be AR'd.

So... basically, common sense rules the day. Too bad some won't bother to use it.
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Leslie Trihey
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11-13-2007 18:15
Heh I'm worried about myself and my friends. I'm short and I don't have that much of a "Noticeable chest" I'm wondering if I'm considered a "Child av"
Chris Norse
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11-13-2007 18:16
From: Sindy Tsure
Unless I missed them saying it before, they did add the word "proximity" to the rules.



My understanding of the previous blogs was that it was a violation for under-18's to 'engage' but not a violation to just be nearby.

Ain't complaining as this matches the rules in places I own. Just saying that it seems to be a new bit.


Probably due to the Wonderland expose on Brit TV.
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Chris Norse
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11-13-2007 18:17
From: Tiberious Neruda
Not quite. What do you think a forced collaring is?


You were making blanket statements. I showed you one exception.
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Bradley Bracken
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11-13-2007 18:17
To me this is one of the most clear cut easy to understand policies LL has put out there, yet they admit that at times it will be difficult to determine. There's nothing new here at all but I'm cheering them on. I wish they would be this clear about all their policies.
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Susie Boffin
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11-13-2007 18:26
From: Twosteppin Jewell
Sorry, just can't resist the temptation :p

So the following is from the post:

"We understand that in some cases there may be an element of subjectivity as to whether an avatar (or other image) appears to be a minor. Objective factors which will be used to decide include whether an avatar has child-like facial features, is sized as a child, has clothing or accessories generally associated with children, and whether, based on the circumstances, an avatar is speaking or acting like a child"

Would that part about clothing apply to my cute school-girl outfit?


You better be 8 feet tall when you wear that schoolgirl outfit and keep your legs crossed at all times. :eek:
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Zaphod Kotobide
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11-13-2007 18:28
What boggles my mind, honestly, is that once again, someone is outraged by "extreme censorship" on the part of Linden Lab. As if the depiction of adult-on-child sex in Second Life isn't in and of itself extreme. Extremely vulgar, extremely offensive, extremely illlegal in many places, and in all cases, extremely deplorable. I should hope that our community standards apply to this as much as any external legal influences might.

That said, just as I didn't see a slippery slope back when this first came about, I don't see one now. Gor roleplayers have nothing to worry about. One issue has nothing to do with the other.

Onward

From: Raudf Fox
Well, the main difference I see is that they used the words sexual ageplay rather than just ageplay. And they did define it a lot better, so that short avatars, avatars with childlike appearance, and non-sexual ageplayers need not be AR'd.

So... basically, common sense rules the day. Too bad some won't bother to use it.
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Susie Boffin
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11-13-2007 18:30
If Linden Labs is serious about banning everything that is offensive and illegal in various parts of the world they have made a good start. All they have to do now is to ban homosexuality, public sex, too short skirts, cruelity to animals, slavery blah blah blah. The list is endless.

Let's see if we can set a new record with this thread!
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Ciaran Laval
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11-13-2007 18:33
I thought this was an old post that had reared its head again and then noticed the usual LL policy of posting as many new blogs as you can after something that might be considered controversial.

However this is nothing new, I'm not at all sure why they've even blogged about it, maybe they just wanted to let Ken play with the blog.
Swan Legend
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11-13-2007 18:45
"If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist."

Many women by nature of their feminity are child like and submissive. No one in Second Life even its creators has the authority to tell a woman to act a certain way thats the opposite of how they were created in the world to be. I will not start censoring myself as a woman in order to make uptight people feel comfortable. Youll just have to make room for me in this world and allow me to exist here. Your only other option is to ban me and if you do that then its your mistake. Im not responsible for your hangups. Im comfortable in my submission and my sexuality and i will not be bullied by you or anyone else.
Marianne McCann
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11-13-2007 18:48


Oh. Great.

Mari
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Cristalle Karami
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11-13-2007 18:51
From: Swan Legend
"If you are in doubt as to whether an activity may be interpreted as ageplay, we request you err on the side of caution and desist."

Many women by nature of their feminity are child like and submissive. No one in Second Life even its creators has the authority to tell a woman to act a certain way thats the opposite of how they were created in the world to be. I will not start censoring myself as a woman in order to make uptight people feel comfortable. Youll just have to make room for me in this world and allow me to exist here. Your only other option is to ban me and if you do that then its your mistake. Im not responsible for your hangups. Im comfortable in my submission and my sexuality and i will not be bullied by you or anyone else.

The policy uses a practical (dare I say "common sense";) approach toward determining what childlike is. No one is outlawing submission. But if you are short, boobless, with pigtails, and portray yourself as a child and engage in sexual activity, you are in violation of the policy. If you are slender, but look like an adult, speak like an adult and are submissive, you have broken no policy. Capiche? Don't let your hackles get that far up.
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Usagi Musashi
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11-13-2007 19:10
Wohooooooooooooooooooo here we go with ageplay! Looks like some people research papers are do for a title for their prof in univeristy! Stay toned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zaphod Kotobide
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11-13-2007 19:13
There are two scenarios to be examined with regard to the "school girl outfit". These are real world. Apply them to Second Life and you'll see the distinction is the same.

1) You're a young 20 something model, doing a porn shoot (because you need the money after all). Your appearance is by all indications that of an adult performing in a role in which you happen to be wearing a "cute school girl outfit".

2) You're a young 20 something model, doing a porn shoot (because you need the money after all) Your appearance is by all indications that of a minor, under the age of 18, performing a role in which you happen to be wearing a "cute school girl outfit".

Just like in the real world, one is going to get you and your producer in legal trouble, and the other is going to get you more friends and more foes. I think that in the real world, we all are capable of discerning the difference between a grown woman who is playing the part of a school girl, and a minor who actually is a school girl. If there is any ambiguity there, then United States Code Title 18, Part I Chapter 110 deals with it adequately (record keeping and retention)

In Second Life, obviously this is all a bit more fuzzy, but the same rules of logic apply to your avatar that apply to your real life appearance. Ambiguity plays a large role in the final determination. The presence of ambiguity in a given situation requires further scrutiny. The lack of it (you are clearly an adult) requires no further scrutiny.

Of course, you have to add to that the proximity of your avatar to sexualized scenes or situations. This really isn't rocket science.


From: Twosteppin Jewell
Sorry, just can't resist the temptation :p

So the following is from the post:

"We understand that in some cases there may be an element of subjectivity as to whether an avatar (or other image) appears to be a minor. Objective factors which will be used to decide include whether an avatar has child-like facial features, is sized as a child, has clothing or accessories generally associated with children, and whether, based on the circumstances, an avatar is speaking or acting like a child"

Would that part about clothing apply to my cute school-girl outfit?
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Desmond Shang
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11-13-2007 19:15
How to Detect Policies As Yet Unwritten, by Desmond Shang:


In regard to grid activity ___________________, (fill in the blank)

1) would activity possibly someday cause our service provider financial harm

[yes] / [no]


2) would activity tie up our service provider in (foreign) courts for years

[yes] / [no]


3) would it cause a service provider VP to possibly be arrested at an int'l airport

[yes] / [no]


4) would it cause US Homeland Security to storm the main office building

[yes] / [no]



There. Simple enough, mmm?
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Swan Legend
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11-13-2007 19:27
if you are short small chested and submissive and wear your hair in piggytails then you are violating ToS? Guess alot of women are outlaws then. Good luck enforcing your new policy crazies.
Berith Lytton
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11-13-2007 19:28
Honestly, does anyone think this will really be the gloom and doom end of SL? There's nothing whatsoever to indicate that at all.
Chris Norse
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11-13-2007 19:29
From: Swan Legend
if you are short small chested and submissive and wear your hair in piggytails then you are violating ToS? Guess alot of women are outlaws then. Good luck enforcing your new policy crazies.


Are you talking about your mommy and hanging out in a playground while trying to pick up men?
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Susie Boffin
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11-13-2007 19:33
From: Berith Lytton
Honestly, does anyone think this will really be the gloom and doom end of SL? There's nothing whatsoever to indicate that at all.


No but it's something to talk about.
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Cristalle Karami
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11-13-2007 19:33
From: Swan Legend
if you are short small chested and submissive and wear your hair in piggytails then you are violating ToS? Guess alot of women are outlaws then. Good luck enforcing your new policy crazies.

It feels like you are looking for every excuse to be angry just to stay angry. Submissive is not necessarily childlike. But if you equate it as such, then you need to find a new game.
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Berith Lytton
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11-13-2007 19:41
I know someone who plays a very child like av (anime inspired, chibi type), but they state in their profile that their character is over 18; do you think LL would consider them to be a child, or just a childlike av?
Swan Legend
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11-13-2007 19:41
From: Cristalle Karami
It feels like you are looking for every excuse to be angry just to stay angry. Submissive is not necessarily childlike. But if you equate it as such, then you need to find a new game.



i disagree completely.
Angelique LaFollette
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11-13-2007 19:45
Old news, it's just the "Big Print/Small Word" version for those who didn't Understand it the first time.

Angel.
Jackson Rickenbacker
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11-13-2007 19:46
This is really old news, and LL did the right thing. I have no idea why this topic got brought up again
Colette Meiji
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11-13-2007 19:48
Yay here we go again -

They cant even keep their 6 community standards straight

From: another lame blog post


There are three key aspects, which are in breach of the Community Standards:

(1) participation by Residents in lewd or sexual acts in which one or more of the avatars appears to represent minors (or the depiction of such acts in images, video, textures, or text) is a violation of the Community Standards;

(2) promoting or catering to such behavior or representations violates our Community Standards. For instance, the placement of avatars appearing to represent minors in proximity to “sex beds” or other sexualized graphics, objects, or scripts, would violate our Community Standards, as would the placement of sexualized “pose balls” or other content in areas depicting playgrounds or children’s spaces;

(3) the graphic depiction of children in a sexual or lewd manner violates our Community Standards.



Which of the community standards apply?


From: the never updated Community Standards


1. Intolerance
Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life.
2. Harassment
Given the myriad capabilities of Second Life, harassment can take many forms. Communicating or behaving in a manner which is offensively coarse, intimidating or threatening, constitutes unwelcome sexual advances or requests for sexual favors, or is otherwise likely to cause annoyance or alarm is Harassment.
3. Assault
Most areas in Second Life are identified as Safe. Assault in Second Life means: shooting, pushing, or shoving another Resident in a Safe Area (see Global Standards below); creating or using scripted objects which singularly or persistently target another Resident in a manner which prevents their enjoyment of Second Life.
4. Disclosure
Residents are entitled to a reasonable level of privacy with regard to their Second Lives. Sharing personal information about a fellow Resident --including gender, religion, age, marital status, race, sexual preference, and real-world location beyond what is provided by the Resident in the First Life page of their Resident profile is a violation of that Resident's privacy. Remotely monitoring conversations, posting conversation logs, or sharing conversation logs without consent are all prohibited in Second Life and on the Second Life Forums.
5. Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.
6. Disturbing the Peace
Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace.



Which one is it?

It cant be Indecency since Indecency is clearly ALLOWED on Mature Parcels according to #5.

I guess it must be againt #6 "Disturbing the Peace"


Or are we in this stupid Linden loop of "Broadly Offensive" isn't allowed anywhere in SL, even though they say it is.


They want to ban Sexual Ageplay, I get it. I can understand that, and its within their purview.

But don't claim its against the Community Standards when there is no provision for this stuff.

I'm sorry but the more Blog Posts about "Offensive" type materials and claims of community standards, the more I wonder if the Lindens have even read them.
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