People Stealing Money?

I know what your trying to say here but it comes across wrong.

You are right about not giving too much trust to someone in SL. Just when you think you can trust them, the pendulum swings back.

With that said, there are people in SL that you can do business with and you can trust with your avatar baby. Just get to know people better and ask questions of current customers. Also know that with each transaction the possibility of not getting what you paid for. More times than not, you will not be ripped off.

People who scam other residents by buying an island, "selling" plots, and then booting their tenants out so they can "sell" the plots again must not have gotten the memo that there's plenty of ways to scam L$ that don't even require a paid membership. I really can't figure out how they can carry on a scam like this long enough to recoup the island cost.

Yes they can, and they can rez as many as they like Good stuff isn't usually copyable, and people don't expect it to be.

Since the asset server expansion, the number of undelivered items has gone down massively. I've only had one since then, but I used to have 2 or 3 a day.

Exactly. People need to stand up and use their voice,loudly if need be.

There's a lot of excellent stuff with Copy permissions.

I couldn't post that list even if I wanted to. I don't know who the untrustworthy landlords are. Few people do, that's the problem.

Too many fly-by-night alts to make a list a viable solution anyways.

you could always name the regions you've seen it happen in..may not be best to name them here, but it just might be for the greater good...

Generally speaking, the good stuff isn't copyable and nobody expects it to be. There is one type of exception - copy/no transfer. But that's only good for certain types of things - clothing for instance. No creator would mind a person having copy permission for clothing, as long as it isn't transferable. We can't wear multiple copies

I'm afraid the OP has not been entirely honest with the forum, thats' why it's
always important to read both sides of the story.
Sometimes you have wonder who is scamming whom?

I'm aware of whom she is talking about and the case and the money involved
as i'm a close friend of the Estate owner.
The nearest part to the truth in what she wrote in her opening gambit was the amount 38,000 L, it was actually 36,500 for 4 weeks rent.

The rest of her post contains as much porky pies in her pursuit to blacken someone
else's name publicly.

The most astounding part of this story, is that the contract did not ACTUALLY
INVOLVE HER, but her male business partner (R.D as she claims) who paid the rent on 15th Jan.
(any doubtful reader here can IM me in game for a copy of the transaction record,
which quite clearly shows who the real renter was and it certainly wasn't the OP name)

Without going into great detail why there was a breakdown in this landlord/ tenant
agreement, it was agreed the tenancy should be terminated. The tenant has been reimbursed the FULL 100% rent (36500L)

because he began claiming he can not rezz a thing on the land while standing with his cube prims all layed out filling up the entire plot before his avatar( the snapshots have been saved as evidence to back this up with property window open to show his name as the owner and the property name and there are the chat logs to back up what have been really happening and what was his claim to bring up the dispute, whether it was about the rezzing issue or was it about the sim building code).

And the rent fee have been fully refunded Which in effect means the tenant lived there for 4/5 days at Zero cost. Now, Who is scamming whom?

(again a copy of transaction showing the amount repaid to ex-renter in full
can be shown via email to any doubters on here)

You see its not only Estate owners who scam people, but on some occasions
the renter too!! As for the OP, well you have wonder about her credibility,
I find her post no.15 rather ironic considering she mislead the entire forum to begin with!

this #15?

well.... now.... isn't that an interesting turn of events. hmph!

I still don't agree that no-copy has anything whatsoever to do with quality.

Generally things are either NoCopy/Transfer so they can be passed along or deeded to a group (necessary for some scripted items) or Copy/No-Transfer. Generally it's up to the creator to decide which is which, and to declare "good things only come in no-copy" is utter rubbish.

LOL...

Let me just say that the above post is honest for 1 thing, it was not me it was my friend and my business partner, and loss of money is my loss, but for consideration purposes, I kept it simple... The story is exactly the same weather I had said it was him or it was me. What's the difference? There is no reason to give out names, initials, ect, or to offer to share conversations, as for one thing that is a violation of CG...

But as you can see I never once tried to harm anyone's reputation because I never said who it was did I?

Now, does anyone think it would have made the situation better had I stated who it was?

OH, and btw, the estate owner was full of lies and accusations. If she were right, you think she would have given back the money?

that was good that she did, but it was not good that she called me 100,000 different horrible names because I was trying to help out a friend.

So I guess you kinda sunk yourself because now everyone can see that you and the people you are affiliated with are scammers...good going

That's another problem with have a list of "bad people." Unless someone wants to take the time to investigate each submission to the list, it'll just turn into a round-about griefing toy for people to air their petty differences.

"Island Pump-and-Dump" Kind of Catchy.

The estate owner rented the land out and then when problems with the land arised, she would not help and began to call "R.D" all kinds of names and told him to leave her "the f***" alone just because he asked for assistance with the land.

Haven't any of you tried to rez a prim and get that little error telling you it could not create the object or however it words it. that was the problem he was having and all he did was sent her an IM asking what the problem was, or if she could help and she was extrememly unhelpful and complained about the objects he had already created (which, I seen for myself, were of great design and very attractive in my opinion. Now, let me clarify that after she told him to leave her alone, she disabled build permissions on the land...it was not in his name, it was just rented, so he did not have control over the land settings.

I am an officer in the group that the land was set to, and I saw for myself that building permisson was deactivated.

EDIT:
oh, and when i was on the land trying to reason with her, I told her i could see that the build button was blanked out, and all of a sudden it changed...lol she allowed the permission right after she said we were lying.

She is lying to you... The way I typed it in the OP was exactly how it went down, except for the unimportant fact that the transaction took place between the estate owner and my business partner.

ANOTHER EDIT:
She did in fact pay the money back after I had posted this topic, but it took a few days, and a lot of arguing and name calling on her part.

…and the "unimportant" fact that the money was refunded and not "stolen" too, right?

I added this in the edit above before I read this reply but yes as I said, she did refund the money shortly after i posted this topic...

and make lies, but the chat logs have been all forwarded with the dates and times In abuse reportings and the snapshots have been taken and included in the reportings, and the issues have been discussed with lindens.

I do Not think chat logs saved in the LL DB would lie?

One can make up anything and tons of things and talk about as they want in SL, But the facts are there and the landowner was being conscious enough to have the chat logs and the transaction records and the snapshots saved, not to get dragged down into the drama puddle by some scamming griefing rentor scammers.

What really have been happening are all remaining in the record regardless what the griefer would want to claim about in the DB- all things you say and do in the game since it is happening in the virtual world backed up by the computer servers.

And from the chat logs, it was the rentor and his alts or his friends or whatver who was calling names to the landlord, and the landlord who didn't want to get the drama prolonged, decided to remove them giving the guy the money back for the sake of staying away from the unpleasant situation with non-sensical ones who were keep going on making insane claims illogical way.


And from what I have heard and checked in the chat log, the building code been agreed before the both parties entered into the rental agreement was that,

-the guy was to build a few houses, and then after next day the guy was asking the landlord if he can build a high rising apartments on the land(which is a different requirement from the initially agreed building code between the two), and the landlord said no.

( I think from there, the rentor and his alts or friends decided to grief the landlord in order to get the landlord into returning the land money)

The original poster of this thread is Lying about this part also By claiming the rentor was Only wanting to build a few houses for in fact, they have been keep asking the landlord till today that they want to build a high rising apartments or condos- "today" and the second day of the rent.( this can be also backed up in the chat log saved)



Estate sims are there with the sim zoning rules for the reason, when there are multiple residents are living or dwelling on one same sim. Everyone's rights and expectations on the region must be respected.

People ask about before entering into the rental and buying of the land agreement and the landlords explain about the building codes and sim zoning rules and if they agree and both parties think they are the right fits for one another , then they get into the agreement. "From the chat logs saved", the rentor was IMing this landlord for a week 5 times or so before getting into the rental agreement and the building codes and sim rules have been discussed and shared about very clearly.


Hence, I find this illogical that this poster(OP) or the rentor claiming the landlord misled them into thing they could do things differently on the rented land or that the landlord was scamming into driving them off by changing the rules after the the land gotten rented.

There have to be Sweat Shops, working these scams and it's just the tip of the iceberg. Sl is just "money lying around," to these kinds. Who knows if this estate owner is as unprincipled as that type. Giving back the rent money means there aren't the lowest of the low.

Well, either the Estate owner refunded the money at the time she removed build permission or not. Here on the forum, we'll never know for sure--in fact, only the affected parties and LL can know that. (Hence the self-delusion of those who speak so hopefully of "transparency." But I digress.)

The scam happens, whether this was an instance of it or not. You can read a bit more about it and its links to microparcel advertising from one of the info boxes at my Temple of Adfarming, northeast corner of Dallows.

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On the "side-topic": The pros and cons of copy vs transfer permissions have been discussed a lot. The value of either one or the other very much depends on the product and how it can be used, but also on the health of the SL asset system--as we all learned too painfully a few months ago. For a time there, anybody selling no-copy items was spending all day on customer support IMs, and making difficult judgment calls, knowing that a customer's failure to rez was indistinguishable from the customer getting two copies to sell on. Now that things seem more or less back to normal, transfer/no-copy isn't quite the nightmare it was, for all involved. (Copy/no-transfer is no customer service panacea either: it makes replacement easy but refund is a leap of faith. So, you picks your poison.)

Oh, so they were going to KEEP the money?

Is SL going to have to go the PvP route, to stop crooks?

Ironically, you originally made the reply "copy is junk" in response to a clothing designer.

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Again the chat log shows, it was the rentor who was Muting the landlord himself. for whatver his intent/motivation was.


the landlord was being there sending him IMs trying to help multiple times.


( But again, this forum thread is no-fun, I think i am going outtie. If one can get a bugspray to spray to the bugs instead of dealing with them.)