Looking for land on private sim, low lag for busniss

First, i never had English in School at all, i learned by doing. Im Living in Scotland for 2 years now thats how i learned, and belive me people can learn by doing!

Also if you say im lying about my language well your problem, I was born in Hannover and lived in Hameln for 22 years my mum and dad all the rest of the family is german.
If you want to know even more maybe you should check my name up on Fancebook or Bebo, im even happy to give you my real name "Daniela Elliott", check it up there you even see that im german.
I would never lie about where i come from not like other people why should i, im german and im proud of it, i can speak two languages how many other people can do that??

and now just for you all this also in german!
I also addet something nice for you on the end maybe you try to translate it, and then u tell me if u can do that!



Als erstes, ich hatte nie Englisch in der Schule, ich hab es mir selber beigebracht indem ich zuhoere und buecher lese. ich lebe in Schotland fuer 2 jahre und so hab ich es gelehrnt ob du es glaubst oder nicht menschen koennen das.

Wenn du sagst das ich luege, das ist dein problem, ich bin in Hannover geboren und habe in Hameln fuer 22 Jahre gelebt meine eltern und auch der rest der familie sind deutch. wenn du rausfinden willst ob ich luege schau mal auf Facebook oder Bebo nach, ich gebe dir auch meinen echten Namen "Daniela Elliott", schau mal nach und dann sag nochmal das ich luege.
Warum sollte ich luegen wo ich her komme, ich bin nicht wie andere, ich bin stolz deutsch zu sein, ich spreche zwei Sprachen und kann auch beide schreiben wieviele leute koennen das?

Und nun sag nochmal ob ich luege?
Schau mal dich selber an , jeder hat ein problem nicht war es giebt keinen perfecten menschen jeder hat fehlern und meiner ist das ich rechschreibfehler in englisch habe, versuch du mal deutsch zu schreiben ohne fehler!



Thank you
Rose Harvy

Hey I'm German too!

Speak the language however? No.

Thank you for beeing honast, im honast to, yes i have problems with writing English but who wouldnt if its not there first Language, im sorry if i have insulted someone i dont mean to, i only had a question and a mate told me to try here cause thats how he found his.

I dont mean to be nasty to people but i expect the same of others, be nice to eachother!

i understood what she was looking for with no issues whatsoever. this is a forum post, not a formal biz plan. it was a question, an inquiry...i would not ever make judgements about someone's intelligence or their capacity to create and run a successful biz by whether they type well or speak well in a few lines in a forum post.

i run a successful biz in sl over the long term and choose not to spend the time correcting every typo i make in the forums and sometimes even choose to shorten words in the interest of time.

some of us are just in a hurry and are very fond of ee cummings...lol

Horses for courses, I chose to comprehend your jibe in a manner best suited to the environment, that was due to the way you presented it.

*chokes on coffee*

It can't cover mainland tier either. I believe OP knows that she's offering a much lower price. That's why she ask for 'help'.

I'm not sure what is the land economic now as I'm out of the land business since LL kill it with the openspace price hike. If it is as bad as last year or worst, she might be able to take advantage of the situation.

English, at least American English, is such a botched together language that many of us that were born into it have a difficult time with it.

Surprisingly enough, homesteads are now rented out very fast. Apparently after the first shock, people still think they are interesting. Though at the end of June, many will jump off the wagon again as the second price hike arrives.

In my opinion no sensible landlord should ever rent out below their costing price, not even if they cannot fill their sims. It is a scenario doomed to fail in the end.

I understood what the lady wanted with no trouble at all. I am pleased to see that she got at least one chance of an offer.

I have seen many sims that are undeveloped, unattended, and in one case that I know of personally, the businessman who owned four sims just didn't have the time to really get into the rental market, but wanted the sims for 'future projects'. I think her offer to pay what she can now, with the offer to increase her rental payments when her business gets going is to be commended if someone is having trouble finding a tenant, and can do with cash on offer, at least temporarily.

I hope the people who have nothing better to do than hijack threads to poke fun at the quality of the English of non-native-English speakers take stock, and realise the hurt they unnecessarily cause.

I will ask around my friends in SL and see if I can find 1/2 a sim or a homestead sim for this enterprising lady.

Well done Rose, and good luck

Rock

Hello Rose

Welcome to the forums.

You may want to try this forum here.
Property Sales and Rentals

Good Luck

... and for those wondering what the gutteral splutter actually translated as ....

"Look to yourself (check yourself out). Everybody has a shortcoming, don't they, there are no perfect people. Everybody makes mistakes, and mine is that I make typing errors in English. Try writing in German without a mistake"

Incidentally Rose, in the spirit of your challenge to write in German without mistakes, when did we start dropping the Capital letters at the start of nouns?

I started out with a sense of pity for this person, given the way she was picked apart, but more and more, I find myself wondering just how German a German is ....

I want to go back to this. I don't rent things out, so I don't know the going rates, but I know that won't cover what I have to cash out to pay my estate tier, so as I understand it, even these rates are operating at a loss.

When I run the numbers, at the exchange sell rate of 258/$1 US (which you could sell at right now) I would have to sell L$79,000 in order to make $295.11 after fees. (Which alignes with Briana's half a sim for L$40,000 per month.)

L$79,000/4 (quarter sim) = L$19750. Divide that by 4 weeks = L$4937 to break even. Of course, as I don't do rentals I don't know if Landlords factor in cash out fees when they calculate rent, but I am curious.


As for a homestead being a good option...



As I understand it she wants to host these events, and given that homesteads cap at 20 avatars, and have trouble handling a heavy script load I don't think that is a good option. Even if you only have 20 guests at your wedding or party, by the time you load them and all their clothes, AO's, and hair and then add all the poseballs needed for a wedding ceremony, a danceball system, particle emitters and other party stuff, I would be afraid you would be wading through soup. And, she wouldn't even have rights to the whole Homestead so there would be other stuff there too. I think the usage here is as important to figure in as the prims. Just my opinion though, and not intended as a comment that Homesteads are a bad product. I'm just not sure it is the best fit.

All that being said, I think the best scenerio, albeit a rare one, would be if you could find a jewelry or gown merchant who owned a sim, but didn't need it all, nor wanted to fuss with hosting events. In that case, they don't need to make all their tier from rent to pay for the land, because the business contributes as well. In other words, offsetting some of their tier by renting unused prims is a bonus, so they don't need to charge the full going rate. In addition, if the businesses can cross promote one another -an event planner and facility on-site could add value to the designer(s) store location - that is additional added value, separate from tier payments. And, a well landscaped event venue is a more attractive sim companion that a bunch of mall slots rented out to earn the same tier offset.

Finding this set up is going to be tough, but, if I was the OP, I would do some serious legwork looking for something like this.

this is assuming one is running a rental sim with the goal of having rental income to both finance the tier costs and run a profit.
in my case i have a full sim yet use perhaps 1/3 of it. i am essentially paying tier for prims and resources i dont use. any rental fees i were to collect would simply offset a bit of tier. i wouldnt be dependant upon the rental income to finance the sim. i am already financing it as it is.

That is a very true one indeed. One I did not think of.
Would you indeed rent out below the costs per prim with this setup? I know I would not, as it would mean financing other persons needs, but I admire you if you would Stronger, I would rent at you *grins*.

What is important though is that when starting a business you do need stability. As you might have read in another thread, a new started business of mine got ripped from under my ass a few days ago. Well, the land that is. So all efforts to get where I was, were in vain, and I have to start over again. Now for me this was just a side business, but imagine if this were your main one. Might cause people to leave SL all together.

@Nimue: You might be right about the homestead, if she wants to have the wedding parties there, avatars will be the problem. A quarter sim could be enough though, if she is careful with the prims. The other sim inhabitants would probably not like it though if there are 40-60 people at each wedding, once she gets succesful

@Rose: If you think my postings were ment to discourage you, that certainly was not the intention. People who are enthousiast, can certainly still make it in SL. What I did mean to say is that most landlords will simply know that many initiatives die an early death, and not give you a discount based on a possible succes.

Certainly I wish you all the luck, and do not pay too much attention at those who critisize your grasp of the language. I am Dutch myself, and probably make mistakes as well. A good spelling checker (English) would help you a lot though, I see it underlining words I typed often enough

Homesteads is not a good recommendation for starting a business. This is exactly the reason LL used to hike up tier prices (its bull, but never mind about that!). It has a 20 avatar maximum and that's shared with neighbours on the HS sim....later on in the year aside from the Tier hike, there will be scripting limits put in place too. I foresee future usage of HS sims as having only residential homes with not too many toys to play with (script orientated gadgets)
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I agree about the quarter of a sim. I think this is especially true as a romantic/party venue because you can have a lovely, natural landscape on the ground and an additional sky platform with wide open views and very little rendering lag. If you are careful with your prims there should even be room for an office and small showroom in the sky as well, for consultations and event planning meetings. A quarter sim in the corner with no adjacent sims would be ideal. (Try for a western edge so you can easily have sunsets in the pictures taken there. Yes, I am a detail person/control freak. )




My native language is English, and I still need a spelling checker. Marcel, your English is wonderful.

Yes, I didn't mention it, but I was thinking about the impending script limits too. I won't be surprised if they are lower for homesteads than what is allowed for a quarter of a full sim. That could put a pinch on many business types, even without factoring the max avatar capacity and the performance you will see with 20 avatars there.

As for the snidey language comments and it's not the 1st time i have read these on RA threads.......it's rather disappointing!

I think some commentators here need a wake up call.....Hello..SL is a WORLDWIDE PLATFORM!
This is not 2005 when the Grid was probably inhabited by 80-90% of English speaking users, this is 2009 where American users amount to less than 35% or 40% from English speaking countries...the demographics has changed and will continue to do so and might even mean further dilution!

We should be encouraging foreign speaking users to participate in these forums...not frightening them away like we're doing here. It wouldn't surprise me that many more reading these forums, would like to contribute but are afraid of being ripped apart for badly phrased or written English! Some of the arrogance and intolerance shown here continues to amaze me!

Back to the OP question :

You could try some of the larger Estates like Dreamland, FantasyLand or Azures....they have a over 1500 sims between them.....and because they also have a number of grandfathered sims, they're able to offer cheaper tiers/rent than say the smaller estates. For example you could get 12288 sqm with 2808 prims for around 68.5 USD pmth or (18800 L p/mth or 4340 p/wk) on the Plush Commerical sims....the Azures might be even cheaper. These Estates are pretty secure and have been around a long time. Could also try d'Alliez Estates or Regent Estates or Skybeam Estates

With so much Yellow (For sale) on the grid, you should be able to find people willing to cut you a deal like Set Serpentine. At the end of the day subdizing their monthly tier payment is better for them then no income at all to offsetl!


PS. Do your homework on the Estateowner regarding his/her reputation, IM some of the existing residents for feedback....always read the SIM Covenant (very important!)

That depends on the type of business I think.
At the moment I am about to move to a homestead with my 2 businesses, because they fit my needs perfectly. No high script use, and space is more needed then prims. So I am not scared of the script limit, and I cannot remember ever having 20 customers in my stores (wish that were true!). And if it happens to be so that my business grows so hard, a homestead is not enough anymore, I can always upgrade it to a full sim.

Keyword here is light commercial. In the past too many people used the open sims for heavy commercial activities, even clubs.

Agrees wholeheartedly with Rene! The English speaking community does not have full ownership to RA threads as some would like to think.

I've been to a wedding on a homestead, or Openspace as it was then and it wasn't a pretty sight.

My SL partner use to have a Wedding business on a full sim...and when all the guests arrived with all their gear and attachments it would lag....especially with 40-50 avatars.
Then you have poses balls for dances...animated walks for going down the isle, the cake cutting animation etc etc......just not a great idea to hold it on a Homestead.
It could ruin a couples big day in SL.....just not worth it!

A homestead sims isn't an option.
This is from the website of sl about homestead sims:
"Homestead regions are for residential or light commercial use. They are not intended for events, malls, or other high-impact uses."

NO events: a wedding is an event

You have also the avatar limit.
Couple, minister, photographer, dj, coordinator, made of honor, bestman, witnesses, ...

How many extra guest can join the wedding ? 5?

Well that's it confirmed..... can't hold an Event, which a wedding would be.