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Wow take a chill pill man and just go if you feel that strongly about it...no one is holding a gun to your head making you stay are they???? You need to calm down before you give yourself a heart attack

When they it causes them stress they will deal with it but if they are happy for now then so be it

/me takes a deep breath, exhales and is calm

How long have you known me, my business and my associations personally then that you have so much insight into what I have or have not been investing?




You honestly judge me by my two posts saying "Don't let the door hit you in the head on your way out!"...? *shakes head*

Go on to that oh so great new playground of yours. But even you should understand that if you refuse to tell people about it, well... they can't follow you all that well.

It's difficult to judge whether a post is a genuine statement of disgust over the OpenSpace announcement, or a come-on for the spin-off grids. The feedback thread is pretty obviously full of both. And there's plenty of reason to be disgusted--but that's better voiced in that other thread.

One thing: the Openlife folks only dream of one day having an OpenSpace policy problem to handle. It'll be a long while until that environment arrives at the point that management of technology is a bigger problem than the technology itself.

Then things will start to get difficult.

i took a look at this site openlife and when i went to register it said an account was already using that email address..i remembered trying it out once before..i was on my other system and it locked my computer up..this is that one you end up having to have sims on your system isn't it?
i really didn't look much farther into it because it seemed to really crash me hard every time i went to log in..

maybe i did something wrong or am misunderstanding how this other place works..is there a grid or not?
if not then what would be the point of paying a server fee if i'm using my own system to host my sim?

People have been spouting this sort of crap since I've been here. Linden Labs is still here. Other virtual worlds have been in development for years and none have materialised to rival SL despite commitments to contrary. I will wager money on the fact that in 2 years time there will be no virtual world as large and diverse as SL that offers content creation and no other virtual world with a million dollar economy. Maybe in 5 years there will really be viable alternatives, but seeing what SL has achieved in the last 5 years I am confident they can develop their product to remain a market leader.

I registered for OpenLife after seeing the countless people saying they were leaving for there. Not to mention, I am getting a bit run down and bored when it comes to Second Life.

Well my experience was terrible. I logged in and immiately froze and was forced to relog. This then took place about every 3-5 minutes I stayed logged in, I also heard nearby residents complaining of the same issue.

I was handed a landmark to a freebie store, when I got there I immidiately noticed stolen content from Second Life.

Is this problem isolated because I can not imagine people in an uproar leaving and staying there if you can barely walk.

Can you purchase $L? Can you sell $L?


Thanks

I checked it out a couple of weeks ago with a friend and had much the same experience. Mine differed in that I ran into no one while I was there. My friend ran into one other person who ...well...wasn't having a good time and was about to leave.

I crashed several times trying to cross sims. I also tried out building in a sandbox, and couldn't get a prim to rez and resize with any consistency. Obviously people have been able to build there, but compared to prim drift and snap back in SL this was a *nightmare*. (Prims there aren't limited to 10 meters, it wouldn't resize by the edit window numbers so I had to drag it to the size I wanted. That failed miserable, my prim blew up to over 40 meters and then wouldn't shrink.)

Also, I too noticed what looked to me like stolen content in a freebie shop there. Granted, what I saw looked like it would have long since been a freebie in SL too, but it still made me a little nervous.

As far as I know, they don't have a monetary system set up yet, so no buying and selling money, or buying and selling merchandise, though I think that is supposed to be coming. Also, when I was there, there was no functioning inworld search yet, so even seeing what people were doing there proved nearly impossible.

I don't mean to bash the OpenLife project. I am interested to see what they do over there, but it is too early in development to serve any recreational purpose for me yet.

My property taxes are around $2500 for the year. If they went up 67% and next year they were $4175 that would really hurt and I would seriously be upset. Products and services just don't go up 67% anywhere for anything I can think of.

Linden Labs needs to take responsibility and slowly raise the price or find other options. If they are losing out, then its their fault, not the residents fault!

Why LL needs to do this in the middle of tough economic times (in-world and real-world) makes no sense at all.

I seem to get L$1000 every time I logged in today. I'm up to about L$10,000 now, but this is really meaningless. I haven't found anywhere to go in the three minutes I'm able to to stay in world. There is a map, so I presume there is a grid.

I think it's for some really rugged pioneer types.

it makes perfect sense since they are affected by the economy also..a lot just never thought it would hit here and like most with RL businesses we were saying it will..

have you ever had an increase in your electric bill that was over 67% or anything at all and had to make certain adjustments?
i know i have along with lots of people in the U.S..the consumer always ends up paying the increase..
if they did not then every company in the world would be working for free and folding in no time at all ..
it's one thing if prices are going up because they are getting greedy.with such a hike i would more than likely think it has a lot to do with the RL economy than greed.

heck food costs in the U.S alone went up more than 67% from last year before they were affected by high gas prices.the housing market had much to do with that.
many things had an increase this year in the U.S. in major leaps of increases.

if Lindens get an increase in their budget like everyone else pretty much has so far they have to send the brunt of the increase down the line to their consumer then the consumers of lindens consumers would more than likely take the brunt from them and so on until the ladder ends.
A lot did not think SL would be affected by the RL economy.if you have a company in the U.S this year you felt it and so did their customers.

it's the economy and SL's is affected by what goes on in world and out of world.
i'm sure they felt it was unfair as well but they did do the only thing they could which was send it trickling downward or face cutting back..which they may have had to do that as well with as crazy as things have been in the U.S this year.

/me considers the possibility that LL has shot themselves in the foot and SL is about to enter a decline.

/me looks over at Desmond. Turns around to catch a glimpse of Craig. Finds Stroker. . .Calla. . .Even Anshe.

/me decides to buy the parcel that just became available in his favorite sim after all.

Any of that popcorn left? Or maybe there's some pie?

As my old gran used to say "it will all work out in the end". She's dead now so didn't quite work out for her but I am optomistic that SL will fare better in the foreseeable future.

oh crap i say that!! i'm doomed!!!

I do expect some shrinkage in the SL economy both as people have to make hard choices in RL financially and because of people who have just "Had Enough of <insert favorite SL crises>".

Concurrent logins might well decline some. Can't say I would be sorry to see that (being completely honest the grid needs a decline for stability). I do believe this will be short lived though as there ARE new people coming every day and eventually there will be new people willing to pay whatever prices LL sets.

Alternate grids are not ready for prime time yet. You can see that just in the last few days with all the posts of "I tried to go here but couldnt login for hours then crashed right away". BTW the people trying to drum up support for alternate grids on a LL owned forum need to be very careful. I have heard of some disciplinary actions being taken already (albiet so far just warnings but that could change).

I think we will see a rise in people attending events that cost themnothing but can be fun. We will see a host of new businesses open as people focus on creating that never had before.

There may well be an increase in demand for mainland. Not everyone that is losing thier Island home will go homeless indefinitly and of those not everyone will be willing to trust a landlord again. This will take awhile to happen. Being homeless is great for some people permanently but there is a large portion who will do it for awhile then decide to buy something for a home.

I think we will see something of a shift in what consumers are willing to spend money on. Not terribly sure what the new hot market will be other than a shift away from PI/OS landbarony. after all 20k a month in rent not being spent leaves alot for shoes and hair (or whatever your thing is).

I have seen another older resident being attacked beacuse she chose to pick up and move to mainland after years of watching these kinds of situations. Let me add my voice to hers. I did the same thing, I just did it a bit sooner (with the last PI fees increase). Everyone and I mean everyone has the right to react to upheavals as they see in thier best interests. I did, she did, those being affected by this one will as well. There is no exactly right answer on what that reaction is. Its an individual thing. There is an exactly wrong answer though and that is letting the situation turn residents into packs of ravening wolves attacking each other.

As for the future of SL. I take it the way I have from day 1. One day at a time. But I truely don't expect it to fold anytime soon.

People keep falling into this trap of thinking about Linden Labs as something more than it is. It's just a company. It's a for-profit legal entity that provides a product or service for more than it costs to produce it. That's it. If you quit expecting more out of Linden Labs than you do any other medium to large business you deal with on a day to day basis, your Second Life will really go a lot smoother.

The world was supposed to end at least four times since I joined (End of dwell, arguably unlimited free alts, doubling the island purchase/tier [they did it for the corps. This is where they lost me], copybot [remember THAT? Even I thought that might be the big one for a bit], the gambling ban, and now this) and so far we're still here! This too shall pass. If the game quits being fun for you, then sure, maybe it's time to move on, but if you're feeling hurt or betrayed beyond the frustration of taking a financial hit (unless you invested more than you were willing to lose. Sorry), I dunno, maybe you should give detached, pragmatic cynicism a try. Have fun. Play your game, but Linden Labs grew up and out of the happy, open, responsive, benevolent company phase and into the 'we need to make this thing profitable in the long run' (discontinuation of incentives and bonuses, island price increase to court the corporations that never came) / 'probably thinking about IPO' (Unlimited free alts to pad the numbers, crackdown on 'advanced' sex) Serious Business phase a long time ago.

Everybody who sticks around is invited to the launch of my new project in about a month From the sound of it the entire active population will fit onto one region, so see you all there!

What is needed is a united voice, with a few options for negotiation. We don't need residents attacking residents, because while some residents might have contributed to the increase, it was ultimately LL's decision.

Of all the choices LL could have made, I'm curious as to why this one. On second thought, no I'm not. You see, it might well be that LL doesn't honestly care how the OS sims are used. They just want money from the usage or "abuse" of the resources. You'd have to be pretty dense or full of pixie dust to keep thinking /everyone/ would keep using the OS sims the way they had. Or koolaid. Definitely koolaid.

Only thing I found close to SL is "There" and that's ok if you want to feel like you are playing the Flintstones and the tools for creation of the Stone Age.. SL is far more advanced than most out there. If you don't like it move on.. Don't try to take others with you..

Agreed, except for the "settlers" part. It's too wild and capricious for settlers yet. Pioneers, pathfinders, adventurers...not a stable place yet, either technically or from a business perspective.

SL as a product has improved. LL as a business, I'm not so sure.

In some ways, particularly with some of the RL aspects coming into th' world, we're well within a time of settlers. In many others, we're still very much on th' frontier. Sorta like the real world circa 1850, where you could have an east cost that was well settled, a bustling New York, the "Barbary Coast" era San Francisco, a rural pueblo called Los Angeles, and the "wild west" of Arizona and Nevada all within the same decade.

If this is a world we live in, it seems only likely that thigns will "settle" in a bit ofg a hodge podge -- particularly as new influxes of people and land come up. The culture of Bay City and Nautilus will undoubtedly be different from the boomtime lands of Satori and Nautilus, or the long settled "San Francisco" and "Color" sims.

The only thing you have stated is that you have found a better game.
There is no proof. None. A simple statement with no verification.
The only thing you have shown is your passion for Second Life. It is not hatred that is the killer of any game. Apathy is. Since you posted on this forum you have proven that you do care one way or another.

You can name competitors here.
There.com is probably the most well know alternative.

What is the name of this game you have found?

The crowd is in SL... The stores are in SL... The LULZ are in SL... So, I'm in SL. (^_^)

I don't got any popcorn, but I've got a whole stick of butter... (^_^)y

Just like when Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed banks. "That's where the money is".

If it were so great, I'd imagine the OP would be shouting it's name for all to hear. I would.

I'm reminded of those posters stapled to electrical poles... "Well known multinational corporation seeks employees today, call ###..." If it were well known and multinational... Just say the bloody name! It would save us all a lot of time trying to figure out how trustworthy the source is.... (=_=)