Will It be "DJ", slacks or scruffy jeans tonight, Sir?

I'm not so much a "designer" person as a trad/retro person. I favor the natural shoulder look you can find today sometimes with Ralph Lauren Polo and Purple Label, also that you used to be able to find at Brooks Brothers and J. Press. Old flat-front chinos, penny loafers with argyle socks, shetland sweaters, rep ties, tweed coats and caps, Brooks Brothers original button down oxford shirts, that's my style.

J. Press is still excellent for bow ties, btw. Also Beau Ties.
http://www.beautiesltd.com

So true. Granted, I get scolded frequently for some of the things I wear in 2L(I think the last comment was 'bizarre'), but really we are spoiled with choice. Why be bored by yourself?




True again. I usually have several new scarf/glove/hat combos by mid September, every year. It is so wet here, and I am often out in a big big big long coat, that I put my punctuation points in with shoes and hats and gloves and scarves

I think it is a lack of imagination in Irish men. In general, they spend far too much on their clothes and still look like a bunch of frumps. That was not the situation at home though, as a generalization, but of course home is San Fran.

Somehow I had a feeling that was the case

LMAO, Pep, you know I don't wear heels in 2L (or very very very rarely and not for very long). You think I would wear those death traps in real life? I have an embarassingly large collection of footwear (socks, too, musn't forget socks!) and not a single pair of heels in the lot. I would rather wear toe shoes all day than heels.

I think you can tell a great deal about a man by his shoes, yes.

The shoes won't tell you all the inner workings of someone, certainly not, but they can tell you much of what you need to know just by watching them. If one of them accompanies his foot on it's way to his mouth...

That's a shame. You're missing out. Hope you're young enough to change that.

Mickey, I can tell a great deal about a man by his shoes. And his hands. And his eyes. I need no tutelage, thank you.

I don't know about that Dana, because I'm not the only one with the skill. Never mind quality or style, if people know what they are seeing, you can tell I don't use breaks on my bike, but my foot against the tire. And many years ago, you could tell I liked bombing hills on my skateboard, and knew exactly how to Ollie.

And my patents? They are always very, very shiney.

I won't even tell you the volumes my hands speak.

In real, a man (and woman) in a job interview is first judged by his/her shoes. They are very, very important. This has always been the case. At the business lunch, a person is often judged by whether or not they put salt on their food.

I fully agree. I dontneed to read a person's "cv", reputation or invest in their credentials in the work I am in to judge whether they are suited for teh work I need them for. The person must have style and elan. Hair style, body tone (notice I say TONE and not weight), demeanor, and self-possession. But shoes come first.

Yes, hands for sure. And the handshake. My mum has never hired people if she doesnt "trust" their eyes.

If you don't believe me, well, so be it. But it's an essential aspect of the "industry" I work in and around. And obviously Laurin does also.

I must add a woman's handbag, purse, tote, briefcase etc are incedibly important. A scruffy camouflage or beige shoulder bag wont get you past the front door. And turn off your mobile. The only mobile that should be on is the interviewer's. And if your car looks liek sh*t, arrive in a taxi.

I'm not talking about how you dress for a job interview.

You picked on men in general, and said nothing about a job interview. I think it's sad and unfortunate that people would judge someone on a few pieces of fabric attached to their body. But I suppose that the awesome person underneath is not going to miss anything, if a person who is so hung up on that passes them over or judges them incorrectly.

More unfortunate that it is carried into SL of all places, but like I said, the only one missing out is the one making the judgment.

Well, its a daily thing in real work. But in sl I also apply the same rubrics. I've been here a long time and know what "maketh a man" and appearance in a world designed for visual stimulation is crucial. Badly dressed men (especially with those clodhoppery freebie shoes and pants) can expect rejection and ejection.

Try again....

Never mind Jig, I get you. I was told by a professor a very long time ago that "presention matters." Even if we would rather it didn't ...it does. Anyone telling me I can't tell things about a man by his shoes or hands or whatever, would be a lot like me trying to tell them they can't see color, and they are completely mistaken.

Funny.

Well, in my reality, I am surrounded by a world of people who adorn and fashion themselves, so it's my second nature.

I dont think I'm particularly shallow but I find that here the anonymity has to be filled with some sense of identity and that is when clothes and style etc etc come into play.

It IS like real - today in real I am gonna try and work with an intense guy who wants me to work on something with him and over the next few days I'm gonna make him shave off his scruff-beard and cut off his stupid pony-tail. No one will give him credibility whatever his brilliance if he goes around looking like a dorky student. And I'm not sleeping with him!

It's ok, Jig. I know you'll never get the point. Enjoy your day

Why do you insist on forcing your "reality" on everyone else? In your world, maybe these things you talk about have importance. Do those same things have importance to say.....Jerry Garcia? (when he was alive obviously) He lived in a different world with different priorities, and the bottom line is, we all do. If what is important to you are these things, that's just freaking spiffy. But why judge others so harshly because they are different? Does it make you feel better about yourself and validated? Good for you! I'm "surrounded by a world of" animals, namely two dogs and cats, that lick themselves and sniff everything in sight, but that doesn't mean I do the same thing. Okay, I would lick myself if I could, but not because they do!

And, I said it before, you seem to go back on the excuse that it's your nature or your second nature. That is an excuse to avoid change and to avoid seeing other viewpoints. It's lazy.

I don't think being shallow is the main issue here. I think that you're completely self-absorbed by being unable to see anyone else's point of view, and other posts have shown this as well. And, yes, much of what you've said would lead an observant person to think you're shallow.

If I found the human resources people were hiring the new employees based on their shoes/eyes rather than reading their cv, I would fire that human resources person on the spot.

But I guess it depends on what job you are hiring them to do
If it's a sales clerk in a shop, then the trusting eyes / good grooming is very important.
If it's to work as a director or work out financial strategies or do your IT then you are better off with someone with a brain.

Now I'm intrigued as to what this job is where style is so important.

I'm sorry John, it just cracked me up, the bit about Jerry. I don't think he would have been at all adverse to brightly colored scarves, especially if they had little bears on them. Or brightly colored anything, for that matter.

Maybe it's having the flu, but I think he would have gotten a kick outof Jig. She'd fit in very well in Marin.

It's not Jerry that I'm talking about. Jerry might very well be open to Jig as someone he would want to meet. I'm guessing that Jig would shut the door on him in a heartbeat based on how he looks. I chose him for his scruffiness, by the way...first scruffy guy that came to mind.

I doubt his shoes would pass the Good Person Shoe Test.

I never said anything about a 'good person'. I said I could tell a lot about a man by his shoes and I stand by that through experience.

As far as Jig shutting the door on Jerry? Possibly. Probably depends on what state he was in more so than on his toe jam.

Not doubting you.. just used your quote as a lead in to a bad joke.. nothing more
I happen to be one of those people who's naturally adept at reading people, so I certainly wouldn't disagree with any of that lol.

I have to take fashion advice from my avie, he dresses better than I do IRL.

But I do rock a scarf once in a while, a fedora almost daily, and I have a dozen pairs of shoes. But I wear the same 3 pairs of jeans every damn day at work LOL

Gents, I think that's a challenge.

Okay, exact maker not important (quality > branding for me) but here you go in terms of general style.



Now tell my fortune...

grins