Will It be "DJ", slacks or scruffy jeans tonight, Sir?

It's prolly true that there's men who are women in sl. And we all agree that some of them dress like whores and tarts. There's a few who have some sense of cool. But that's no excuse for men who are men who dress so abominably in sl.

I am truly amazed at the lack of style and pizazz. OK, I know there are pirates and klingons and slavers in genie-suits but how about a simple metrosexual well-dressed man for a change?

And why don't American men wear scarves in real? Englishmen look sexy in scarves (so do teh French and Italian men). And those godawful downy things people actually wear when they travel and fly. All black, beigey-brown and blues. BORING!

Men (and women) why not travel in colour and style and raz? I was travelling yesterday and at this airport (in North America) and all around me was a boring general malnutrittion of style. I wore a scarlet coat and a deep yellow scarf and red boots and I kinda wondered about the rest of teh human race. Had they been "granny-dipped" and posted by blue-black mail instead of flying intercontinental?

I wanna see colours in both worlds! And some style! Anyone would think it was the Depression.

A couple of reasons that I can think of:
1) SL is somewhat limited in decent clothing for men and it takes a lot of looking to find it -- how many men really like shopping that much?
2) Many men do not see SL as an environment that requires much thought on clothing.



Probably because the majority of Americans think they look stupid on men.


Most of men's wardrobes center about those few basic colors because then they can manage to match just about anything -- they seem to have a limited ability in this area. While it is probably a huge generalization and stereotype, the majority of the American men that have the ability to decently match colors and actually wear them are usually considered to be gay.

Which is why gay men are God's gift to the world for style and intellect and charm.

(well, a majority are. Some dress as badly as straight men)

Spilled stuff and airline/restaurant seat gunk doesn't look as obvious on black. Thus why people that travel a lot wear black while traveling.

Only a few decades ago you were likely to get actual grease from the airplane on you while flying lol. And I have gone to places (in airplanes with fold down seats) and discovered the "airport" was a grassy field with a little trailer for a terminal lmao.

Be thankful it is mainly the slob in the next seat with all the electronic gadgets spread out that is the enemy of your clothing these days.

Though comfortably hetero, I used to be quite a peacock back in the 80's and 90's. I even wore makeup once in a while which was kind of okay for men in the 80's. Now I have to fit in with my job. But I think of it as a costume. I am disguising myself as a mundane.

There is still an inner peacock that I can let loose in SL. Lil is right about the clothes being hard to find. I think guys get frustrated looking and just give up. The fanciest clothes are goth oriented, and I'm so over that. The Victorian waistcoat look is pretty nice. I do have a couple of SL outfits with scarves, but one does not attach very well and the other is drab.

And of course being middle aged I really HATE most modern styles. Those ridiculous baggy pants with crotches down to the ankles that we see guys wearing. Isn't it time that style ran its course? What are they trying to look like - gang members? I don't find it very intimidating if the guy can't even run and has to use one hand to hold his pants up while the other hand is holding a cell phone to his ear.

And with apologies to Brianna, I'm also not fond of permanent tats or shrapnel incidents on pretty faces. I'm not fond of anything that obscures form.

Be a peacock again in real for younger people to see! There is NO redeeming quality in being mundane.

Loose trousers are for FAT boys. It's not PC to say it but just take a look at the paunches on those boyos. They think a treadmill belongs in a prison and not a gym and they still have to think hard when they run coz they dont know how.

Slim down and baggy pants will lose their appeal.

This is a good point. Flying is such a chore that you almost have to be in athletic garb to survive. That being sadi, I do like to dress nicely when I travel, but I don't fly if I can't go First Class. I refuse to travel in the cattle cars that today's coach cabins have become.

People have different priorities.

I would rather spend my two free hours in SL having a really cool conversation with a really cool person, rather than spend it shopping for clothes. And it's nice to know that when you IM that really cool person for the conversation, they are not out shopping for clothes.

If there is any place that you don't have to worry about that....it's SL. I don't judge people in SL by what they are wearing, or whether or not they have cool hair. Do you Jig?

I hate to say it, but sometimes it seems Jig judges people in SL by everything they do.

SL offers a pretty good environment in which to grow out of that phase.

3) They intend to spend as much time as possible in SL naked.

Hey, when I got in line for the gay geek gene, I missed the opportunity for the gay style gene, and had to settle for the gay cooking gene.

Now should I make quiche or curry tonight?

I don't do it so much any more, but I used to wear a scarf almost all the time in winter (with a leather jacket). Even in southern California it gets a bit chill in the winter, and if you are doing 90 down a freeway at 2am on a crotchrocket, a scarf and gloves are a must.

Nowadays you'd hate me though ~ I'm the dead opposite of a 'peacock.' I wear enough grey on grey RL (slacks, buttondowns) that it's practically a stealth cloak in urban environments. People *literally* don't notice me, and have a very hard time pinning down where I 'fit in' in society. I have a bit of a weakness for soft, airy Egyptian cotton shirts, and for those that get that, it's perhaps a bit upscale but most don't notice.

Though when less formal it's the usual jeans and leather like everyone else around here. Which also affords a rather delightful degree of invisibility.

Most of you here know I have my own small biz and my SL gig, but for everyone else, when I am free to wander about on a Monday at 9:30 in the morning, people in real think I'm either extremely well off or unemployed (neither is the case). Absolutely baffling to them... western culture is so hung up on "what we do" when it comes to identity.

Occasionally people ask what I do. Depending who they are, I answer as best I can. "I have a small high tech import/export biz." (which I do). Or "I'm a small, but rather successful land baron." ... this is usually followed by "wha?" Or more typically: "You wouldn't believe me if I told you." I've always got a number of irons in the fire at any one time.

On the grid, I make sure to change a little something every few years. In 2008 I added a vest. Mind boggling? Think of it this way: I don't need to impress anyone on the grid with my avatar, and if anything, I don't want to appear difficult to talk to. Stable, familiar Des... just like you remember him.

Many people in business on the grid constantly remind me to do the excessive height slider thing (they are correct, overall, people *do* seem to be a bit more respectful of those that project physical size and take them more seriously) but I simply won't. Walk softly, and all that...

Okay, I guess it's time to reveal the dirty little secret of fashion semiotics.

Men do not dress to impress women. Straight or gay, doesn't matter, men dress to impress other men.

In fact, men want their women to dress to impress other men, too; oddly enough, those women are almost always eager to do so.

Until American guys are impressed by other men wearing scarves or bright colors, it's not gonna be "in".

(Why English and European men are impressed by other men wearing scarves is anyone's guess. Probably it has something to do with soccer.)

I always judge people by what they wear cozm in a sense, the artistry of dressing and presentation shows me that the person I meet (in real or sl) has self-esteem and an attitude about themselves that is healthy and not rooted in a more mundane approach to life. "I look plain and ordinary so I must have a bigger brain" doesnt work for me.

I like Waterford crystal glasses to drink out of and not plastic cups - having style and care is not sinful but nowadays lacking dress sense appears to be a "ticket" for meaningful conversation.

Dont hate to say it. Say it. What we do is what we are. I cant help it; people should look like they have a flair for life and colour and beauty and all teh other gorgeous and flash ways we can be seen. Nowadays we ar eso lucky to have so much beauty around us so being a dowdy old pheasant is sad.

I bet in real you look as smart as possible, Brenda. And I bet you look down at men's shoes as I always do to be certain they are wearing fashionable and lovely creations and not some pimply runners that have seen better days.

Trust me, we are *not* impressed with guys wearing scarves, and yes, it does have to do with sport.

Pep (We dress as we do to avoid attracting women like Jig.)

PS Men wear shoes in rl for comfort. Apparently not a concept women understand.

The day I stop judging people is the day I will be wheeled out to the crem. furnace.

You're welsh - you just wear white scarves on Friday nights to go round the pub.

Not if you're male.

Pep (The women wear them to cover up the curlers when we send them to the corner shop for more fags and booze.)

Ew
(But I touched a nerve)

Ooops sorry, wrong culture.

Pep (That's Andy Capp.)

That's a "culture"?????