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Katelicious Xue

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08-01-2008 10:31

I have noticed that when I spread my legs (in world LOL), there is a negative, unskinned area.

/me thinks of all kinds of interesting remarks that may not be appropriate here

Is this a SL limitation or some type of issue with my skin? To clarify, I am talking full on spread eagle, mid-air splits on a dance pole or when I am totally bent over full monty.

PLMK, it really bugs me.

Smoke Gordonstone

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08-01-2008 10:35

It's the avatar mesh and you'll get it with any skin. Some are better than others....but it will show up regardless.

Lindal Kidd

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08-01-2008 10:35

The crotch is a problematic area for the avatar mesh. Depending on the skin you are wearing, it may look a little better, or a lot worse.

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Colette Meiji

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08-01-2008 10:39

The avatar Mesh designers just didn't leave enough pixels and polys available there .. I guess they were naive and thought everyone would want to be Ken and Barbie.

Colette Meiji

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08-01-2008 10:41

Ohh if you want to look better bent over braced against a pole full monty and definition is overly lacking, you might consider getting a prim attachment for yourself.

As far as a thong goes you are basically out of luck.

Amity Slade

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08-01-2008 10:59

From: Colette Meiji

The avatar Mesh designers just didn't leave enough pixels and polys available there .. I guess they were naive and thought everyone would want to be Ken and Barbie.

You know, the crotch question is one that's been on my mind since I've been to Second Life, but I've never dared ask. And now I know.

Raudf Fox

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Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 5,119

08-01-2008 11:01

*snerks and bails a bit of sewer water out before she replies*

Yes, that is the biggest gripe I have with the avatar mesh. Right below that is the lack of a neck attachment point!

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Kaimi Kyomoon

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08-01-2008 11:06

The SL avatar mesh is insanely badly designed apparently by someone who had never seen a real woman's groin. (although that is far from the only problem with it.

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i think people are afraid of me or something.

3Ring Binder

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08-01-2008 11:17

our avatars have a crotch?

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Conifer Dada

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08-01-2008 11:21

Actually I think the avatar mesh is well designed within limitations - I think I read it's 4,000 triangles. It's not just those thigh triangles, but a lot of the joints go funny when subjected to extreme articulation.

One day, hopefuly, avatars will be tweaked with a much finer mesh. That would be nice - but LL should concentrate on giving us proper in-world shadows first!

From: someone

our avatars have a crotch?

I'm NOT going to be the first to post a pic!!

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Colette Meiji

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08-01-2008 11:21

From: Kaimi Kyomoon

The SL avatar mesh is insanely badly designed apparently by someone who had never seen a real woman's groin. (although that is far from the only problem with it.

This is the reason the TAO should include Pr0n.

Conifer Dada

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08-01-2008 11:25

From: someone

Originally Posted by Kaimi KyomoonThe SL avatar mesh is insanely badly designed apparently by someone who had never seen a real woman's groin. (although that is far from the only problem with it.

....But you just need to look at avatars in some of the other online virtual worlds to realise SL ones are quite good!!!

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2k Suisei

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08-01-2008 11:30

I heard that the Linden designer closed his eyes when making that area of the avatar.

Hey, life was very different back then.

Amity Slade

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08-01-2008 11:36

From: Kaimi Kyomoon

The SL avatar mesh is insanely badly designed apparently by someone who had never seen a real woman's groin. (although that is far from the only problem with it.

To be fair to Linden Lab, though- even the most popular, celebrated, detailed, complex 3D female mesh in common use (DAZ's Millenium Woman series) was always notoriously lacking in the area of her genitalia.

Kaimi Kyomoon

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08-01-2008 11:38

From: Colette Meiji

This is the reason the TAO should include Pr0n.

TAO? Pr0n?

From: Conifer Dada

....But you just need to look at avatars in some of the other online virtual worlds to realise SL ones are quite good!!!

Really? I didn't realize. Before SL I was working with Sims 2 meshes. It's an understatement to say that I'm no expert but I could improve the texture mapping on the SL avatar using MilkShape 3d. I could also give the crotch a more realistic shape and with a bit of research figure out how fix the skirt mesh so that it moved with the legs.

edited to add: without adding any polygons.

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From: 3Ring Binder

i think people are afraid of me or something.

Conifer Dada

Hiya m'dooks!

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08-01-2008 11:41

I was thinking of 'There', Active Worlds, Kaneva, Entropia, Hipihi etc. SL has better avatars than any of those.

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LittleMe Jewell

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08-01-2008 11:43

From: Kaimi Kyomoon

TAO? Pr0n?

The Tao of Linden: http://lindenlab.com/about/tao

And Pr0n is an internet slang way of saying Porn.

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Kaimi Kyomoon

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08-01-2008 11:49

From: 3Ring Binder

our avatars have a crotch?

You probably should just forget you saw that.

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Kaimi's Normal Wear

From: 3Ring Binder

i think people are afraid of me or something.

Kaimi Kyomoon

Kah-EE-mee

Join date: 30 Nov 2006

Posts: 5,664

08-01-2008 11:52

From: LittleMe Jewell

The Tao of Linden: http://lindenlab.com/about/tao

And Pr0n is an internet slang way of saying Porn.

Ah. Thanks.

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Kaimi's Normal Wear

From: 3Ring Binder

i think people are afraid of me or something.

Raudf Fox

(ra-ow-th)

Join date: 25 Feb 2005

Posts: 5,119

08-01-2008 11:55

Only problem with redoing the avatar mess.. er mesh, is that it would require clothing designers to redo their work. But I'd think it worth the price to get a good mesh out of the deal.

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DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176

Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?

Cheree Bury

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08-01-2008 11:59

From: Conifer Dada

It's not just those thigh triangles, but a lot of the joints go funny when subjected to extreme articulation.

Isn't that the truth? I can't tell you how many poses I have thrown out when they were 90% complete simply because that one joint looked horrid when it was bent the way a real arm bends.

Melissa Zerbino

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08-01-2008 12:00

A better mesh is not just for woopie. Sitting in a pair of shorts can have some awful results with anything between a thong and knee length.

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You're the kind of girl we would all love to tie up and do awful things to. You have a strong sense of self and you are in complete control of your sensual side as well. Based on these pictures, I'm giving you a 9.1 - which is a VERY strong start for your first submission (heh - I said "submission"

. You are a slut, but in the most positive, sexy way. Congratulations and shame on you!

Kreb Ansar

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08-01-2008 12:02

Theyve done a good job with female avatars. You should see the men ones, looks like eunuchs!

However fair to say, Linden Labs make the best online avatars for desk top online world VR, so I am not really complaining!

Also, one can go shopping in SL for willies and pussies to wear, to make those private moments more realistic!

Colette Meiji

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Join date: 25 Mar 2005

Posts: 15,556

08-01-2008 12:03

From: Raudf Fox

Only problem with redoing the avatar mess.. er mesh, is that it would require clothing designers to redo their work. But I'd think it worth the price to get a good mesh out of the deal.

QFT

I'd have to redo my entire product line as well.

Amity Slade

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Join date: 14 Feb 2007

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08-01-2008 12:17

From: Raudf Fox

Only problem with redoing the avatar mess.. er mesh, is that it would require clothing designers to redo their work. But I'd think it worth the price to get a good mesh out of the deal.

Keep in mind that while a change in avatar may require merchants to redo their work, it will also inspire a resident spending spree to upgrade their looks. An established merchant, with the skill and knowledge to quickly adapt, and the forsight to pay attention to LL announcements regarding avatar changes, might be poised to do some lucractive business at the time of the change. (Well, as lucrative as any SL business can be.)

Question about Avi Crotch
Katelicious Xue Fresh Meat Join date: 7 Jul 2008 Posts: 202	08-01-2008 10:31 I have noticed that when I spread my legs (in world LOL), there is a negative, unskinned area. /me thinks of all kinds of interesting remarks that may not be appropriate here Is this a SL limitation or some type of issue with my skin? To clarify, I am talking full on spread eagle, mid-air splits on a dance pole or when I am totally bent over full monty. PLMK, it really bugs me.
Smoke Gordonstone ------------------------- Join date: 13 Jan 2008 Posts: 371	08-01-2008 10:35 It's the avatar mesh and you'll get it with any skin. Some are better than others....but it will show up regardless.
Lindal Kidd Dances With Noobs Join date: 26 Jun 2007 Posts: 8,371	08-01-2008 10:35 The crotch is a problematic area for the avatar mesh. Depending on the skin you are wearing, it may look a little better, or a lot worse. _____________________ It's still My World and My Imagination! So there. Lindal Kidd
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	08-01-2008 10:39 The avatar Mesh designers just didn't leave enough pixels and polys available there .. I guess they were naive and thought everyone would want to be Ken and Barbie.
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	08-01-2008 10:41 Ohh if you want to look better bent over braced against a pole full monty and definition is overly lacking, you might consider getting a prim attachment for yourself. As far as a thong goes you are basically out of luck.
Amity Slade Registered User Join date: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,183	08-01-2008 10:59 From: Colette Meiji The avatar Mesh designers just didn't leave enough pixels and polys available there .. I guess they were naive and thought everyone would want to be Ken and Barbie. You know, the crotch question is one that's been on my mind since I've been to Second Life, but I've never dared ask. And now I know.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	08-01-2008 11:01 snerks and bails a bit of sewer water out before she replies Yes, that is the biggest gripe I have with the avatar mesh. Right below that is the lack of a neck attachment point! _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Kaimi Kyomoon Kah-EE-mee Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 5,664	08-01-2008 11:06 The SL avatar mesh is insanely badly designed apparently by someone who had never seen a real woman's groin. (although that is far from the only problem with it. _____________________ Kaimi's Normal Wear From: 3Ring Binder i think people are afraid of me or something.
3Ring Binder always smile Join date: 8 Mar 2007 Posts: 15,028	08-01-2008 11:17 our avatars have a crotch? _____________________ it was fun while it lasted. http://2lf.informe.com/
Conifer Dada Hiya m'dooks! Join date: 6 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,716	08-01-2008 11:21 Actually I think the avatar mesh is well designed within limitations - I think I read it's 4,000 triangles. It's not just those thigh triangles, but a lot of the joints go funny when subjected to extreme articulation. One day, hopefuly, avatars will be tweaked with a much finer mesh. That would be nice - but LL should concentrate on giving us proper in-world shadows first! From: someone our avatars have a crotch? I'm NOT going to be the first to post a pic!! _____________________
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	08-01-2008 11:21 From: Kaimi Kyomoon The SL avatar mesh is insanely badly designed apparently by someone who had never seen a real woman's groin. (although that is far from the only problem with it. This is the reason the TAO should include Pr0n.
Conifer Dada Hiya m'dooks! Join date: 6 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,716	08-01-2008 11:25 From: someone Originally Posted by Kaimi KyomoonThe SL avatar mesh is insanely badly designed apparently by someone who had never seen a real woman's groin. (although that is far from the only problem with it. ....But you just need to look at avatars in some of the other online virtual worlds to realise SL ones are quite good!!! _____________________
2k Suisei Registered User Join date: 9 Nov 2006 Posts: 2,150	08-01-2008 11:30 I heard that the Linden designer closed his eyes when making that area of the avatar. Hey, life was very different back then.
Amity Slade Registered User Join date: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,183	08-01-2008 11:36 From: Kaimi Kyomoon The SL avatar mesh is insanely badly designed apparently by someone who had never seen a real woman's groin. (although that is far from the only problem with it. To be fair to Linden Lab, though- even the most popular, celebrated, detailed, complex 3D female mesh in common use (DAZ's Millenium Woman series) was always notoriously lacking in the area of her genitalia.
Kaimi Kyomoon Kah-EE-mee Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 5,664	08-01-2008 11:38 From: Colette Meiji This is the reason the TAO should include Pr0n. TAO? Pr0n? From: Conifer Dada ....But you just need to look at avatars in some of the other online virtual worlds to realise SL ones are quite good!!! Really? I didn't realize. Before SL I was working with Sims 2 meshes. It's an understatement to say that I'm no expert but I could improve the texture mapping on the SL avatar using MilkShape 3d. I could also give the crotch a more realistic shape and with a bit of research figure out how fix the skirt mesh so that it moved with the legs. edited to add: without adding any polygons. _____________________ Kaimi's Normal Wear From: 3Ring Binder i think people are afraid of me or something.
Conifer Dada Hiya m'dooks! Join date: 6 Oct 2006 Posts: 3,716	08-01-2008 11:41 I was thinking of 'There', Active Worlds, Kaneva, Entropia, Hipihi etc. SL has better avatars than any of those. _____________________
LittleMe Jewell ........... Join date: 8 Oct 2007 Posts: 11,319	08-01-2008 11:43 From: Kaimi Kyomoon TAO? Pr0n? The Tao of Linden: http://lindenlab.com/about/tao And Pr0n is an internet slang way of saying Porn. _____________________ ♥♥♥ -Lil Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on it? ~Mark Twain~ Optimism is denial, so face the facts and move on. ♥♥♥ Lil's Yard Sale / Inventory Cleanout: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Triggerfish/52/27/22 . http://www.flickr.com/photos/littleme_jewell
Kaimi Kyomoon Kah-EE-mee Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 5,664	08-01-2008 11:49 From: 3Ring Binder our avatars have a crotch? You probably should just forget you saw that. _____________________ Kaimi's Normal Wear From: 3Ring Binder i think people are afraid of me or something.
Kaimi Kyomoon Kah-EE-mee Join date: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 5,664	08-01-2008 11:52 From: LittleMe Jewell The Tao of Linden: http://lindenlab.com/about/tao And Pr0n is an internet slang way of saying Porn. Ah. Thanks. _____________________ Kaimi's Normal Wear From: 3Ring Binder i think people are afraid of me or something.
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	08-01-2008 11:55 Only problem with redoing the avatar mess.. er mesh, is that it would require clothing designers to redo their work. But I'd think it worth the price to get a good mesh out of the deal. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Cheree Bury ChereeMotion Owner Join date: 6 Jun 2007 Posts: 666	08-01-2008 11:59 From: Conifer Dada It's not just those thigh triangles, but a lot of the joints go funny when subjected to extreme articulation. Isn't that the truth? I can't tell you how many poses I have thrown out when they were 90% complete simply because that one joint looked horrid when it was bent the way a real arm bends.
Melissa Zerbino Registered User Join date: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 212	08-01-2008 12:00 A better mesh is not just for woopie. Sitting in a pair of shorts can have some awful results with anything between a thong and knee length. _____________________ You're the kind of girl we would all love to tie up and do awful things to. You have a strong sense of self and you are in complete control of your sensual side as well. Based on these pictures, I'm giving you a 9.1 - which is a VERY strong start for your first submission (heh - I said "submission". You are a slut, but in the most positive, sexy way. Congratulations and shame on you!
Kreb Ansar Registered User Join date: 14 Jul 2008 Posts: 11	08-01-2008 12:02 Theyve done a good job with female avatars. You should see the men ones, looks like eunuchs! However fair to say, Linden Labs make the best online avatars for desk top online world VR, so I am not really complaining! Also, one can go shopping in SL for willies and pussies to wear, to make those private moments more realistic!
Colette Meiji Registered User Join date: 25 Mar 2005 Posts: 15,556	08-01-2008 12:03 From: Raudf Fox Only problem with redoing the avatar mess.. er mesh, is that it would require clothing designers to redo their work. But I'd think it worth the price to get a good mesh out of the deal. QFT I'd have to redo my entire product line as well.
Amity Slade Registered User Join date: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 2,183	08-01-2008 12:17 From: Raudf Fox Only problem with redoing the avatar mess.. er mesh, is that it would require clothing designers to redo their work. But I'd think it worth the price to get a good mesh out of the deal. Keep in mind that while a change in avatar may require merchants to redo their work, it will also inspire a resident spending spree to upgrade their looks. An established merchant, with the skill and knowledge to quickly adapt, and the forsight to pay attention to LL announcements regarding avatar changes, might be poised to do some lucractive business at the time of the change. (Well, as lucrative as any SL business can be.)

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