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I would do something if it actually was fun for free. Anyone else?
Anyone else not missing gambling or is it just me?
If I want to gamble I can play neopets or go to real live casino. It would be nice to see some type of new fun, interesting game that doesn't involve a gambling or require more money to be spent in SL. I was hoping without gambling maybe there actually be bit more new games in search a different gaming the type that I might find interesting that doesn't involve gambling. I guess not.

Would you do something fun it cost you $50L for a few hours and gave you the opportunity to collect items you desire?

Problem is that payment does not guarantee receipt of a ticket - that is what makes it gambling. The issue of whether the tickets have any value (be it L$ or US$) is moot, as it is still gambling even if they don't. Unless you are guaranteed to recieve a ticket, you are gambling.

yeah probably would.
depends on the game and prize. If it was fun and interestings. I probably wouldn't want the prize.
I personally not into gambling but I do wish there were bit of real games in SL.
It seems like prior to gambling ban when I really wanted just a game that I could play in world all I could find is gambling.
Only time I can even play scramble with my av is in few places. Pizza reminds me too much like really laggy version of TSO's pizza game.
I understand there lot issues developing games that don't cause lag in SL but I really wish there was some other alternative.
I thought when I first read this post that someone actually came up with something new and not something recycled.
I must confess I am bit disappointed but I understand the OP most likely put in lot of effort and work on this I wish the OP luck and well.

Further to my last post; I think the key is how it's marketted. If you pay to play a game, and the tickets are given as a free gift for example, then that's okay. The problem comes when amassing the tickets becomes the motivation for playing. So long as acruing tickets is not the aim of the game, but merely a side diversion, that's okay.

Yes, part of the "payment" is the enjoyment of playing the games.

Do you really think that stuffed bear at Chucky Cheese's that takes 15000 tickets is worth the USD it took for the kid to get them all?

But did the kid have fun playing the games to get the tickets? Did the parents have fun watching the kid play (or jsut enjoyed the peace while the kid was occupied ).

In the OP's idea, customers are paying for two things.
1) To play the games and have fun doing it. Yes, they are taking a chance to win more, but as the tickets can't be used elsewhere, this still falls under the contest rules not wagering.

2) The product the eventually get. Perhaps the OP himself has some products. The only way to get these products is to play the games. You can not sell the products, nor can you exchange the products, nor tickets for L$ or USD.

By #2 above, it steps this idea outside the wagering ban by LL's rule #2 "2) provide a payout in
(a) Linden Dollars, OR
(b) any real-world currency or thing of value.".

The tickets and products are not redeemable.

How the OP would get other creators to contribute products to be "sold" in such a mannor is up to him. However, unlike RL, there is no overhead here, no manufacturing cost, so any profit is profit.

~Jessy

Edited to profide copy/pasted quote of LL's rule.

I agree...

As long as the Games give out a minimum amount of tickets no matter what Score you get then it is fine.

Let the fun become even more fun than it already is!!!!!

Yes, if the game gave out tickets based on the amount of time the game is played that would work. If the games were games of skill; like free throw Basketball, and gave you tickets based on your score, that would also work. But if you pay to play, the winner is decided at random and you receive a pay out, then you are getting into the word games and personal definitions there of. At that point you start walking the tight role

Eons ago, back when I was young, I would burn quarters by the hour playing video games at the local arcade. The place was always packed; the only one for 30 miles, and we never got anything out of all those quarters we waisted; at least of any intrinsic value. Then came the first Nintendo, shortly there after the arcade traffic dropped dramatically. The arcade owner; in an attempt to try to draw the crowd back, started giving prizes for the days high score on every machine. So I, like every other kid, would run down there after school to see if we had won a prize for a score from the previous day. Well this went on for a month then one day we showed up, and it was shut down. They had closed it for violating a city ordinance about giveing prizes for high scores on arcade games. The ordinance dated back to 1956 and was made about pinball machines. He had been fighting it in court that month and lost. He was doing too good with the prizes to want to stop; ya, he was getting his moneys worth out of those matchbox cars.

I dont expect the Lindens are going to want to be bothered with the technicalities.

Since their is no court to appeal to when they are heavy handed in law enforcement -
I fully expect the listed attempt to bring back a limited ticket form of gambling to be banned.

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IF it doesnt , unless the prizes are of competitive quality - people wont want to use their real L$ to gamble to win tickets to get them.

The Chuckie Cheese tickets let you buy crap items. But they get kids to want them by being crap kids like, attratively presented to a kid. SO people give money to their kids in the hole they will win tickets.

I dont see how to get people to do the same with Linden$ for Items

One can still argue that gambling is involved in a game of skill - unless you are able to manipulate the laws of physics and move every single molecule of air with your mind chaos theory tells us that there is still an element of chance involved in shooting a basket.

Agreed, but on a different thought.

I don't think LL is going to go out looking for things like this to ban because they don't want bothered with it. Unless it obviously violates the terms of the wagering ban, I expect LL to not even get involved and jsut "round file" ARs of such a nature.

A better course of action for LL would be to punish those making such ARs without cause. False ARs should recieve 1 warning, then perm-ban imo. Why so harsh? Because those false ARs take away from those that actually need looked into.

~Jessy

I see LL enforcement more like cops busting people for speeding.

They dont catch 99% of the violations that go on, but the fact they "Might" catch you is the deterant.

Thus you can drive 80 all the time and not get caught. Then one day you get a harsh speeding ticket of a couple hundred dollars. BAM.

That being said - its a good chance they wont see the OP's operation in action even if its ARd for a while.

But when they do see it they will just ban it , instead of trying to figure out the twist thats being presented.

Two Lindens might see it differently of course.

That could be done by adding them to a Camping Chair of some sort that Dispenses one item from the List randomly every Hour or so. The Items are available, for free, all you need is time and patience, OR you can Pay for getting them Faster.

Legalities satisfied, AND it makes the Gaming option AT LEAST as attractive as the camping option because gaming would be faster, and more amusing (All the prizes should be No Copy and/or No Transfer).

(I should REALLY be Charging for these Ideas Lol )
Angel.

So what are the prizes? Tins of processed pork by products?

Well see heres the thing. The main people im targeting this to is store owners and people who want to increase their sales. there is product all over SL that people pay for everyday that they feel is worth or not worth the ammount of money charged. yea that stuffed teddy bear or little plastic trophy seem like crap to us. but to children.. damn.. thats a trophey. something most kids use their imagination for. it all depends on who your target audiance is.

i read the replys so far. and 1 thing i know im gonna change so far is that im gonna make it to where no matter how well you do.. your atleast going to get a return with a ticket. 2 of my games guarentee a ticket outcome when you play. and 2 have the chance of walking out with 0 tickets (although incredibly unlikely)

Deal or Decline - You can walk away with atleast 1 ticket

Scratch Off - also atleast 1 ticket

Slot machines - (unless you play 1 or 3 L to play its unlikely youll walk away with nothing as i have make the machines super easy to win) ill likely make this detect a 0 outcome and replace it with a ticket

Monopoly Tactics - Goto Jail space makes you lose all your tickets... (ill likely change this to 1/2 or 3/4 or even make it remove several rolls)


and its true. to me this is more of a way for store to have another way to introduce their product. some may even release product specificly for this gaming system to drive more buisness.

im not here to power the return of gambling. im about gaming. ive made tons of games here in secondlife (mario kart, duck hunt, duck hunt 3d, battle ball(rip)) i think even though gambling had a bad wrap. it was still gaming. we think of all the slots and card games when we thing of gambling.. but games like bingo , slingo, tringo (lol) and other games we fought to say were "skill based" are also effected

im looking for a way to bring these games back with a REAL meaning to play. Its hard to play a free play game when theres no real Goal involved. yea its fun. but not as fun as if i could work to win something for my time

I wish people would stop thinking so negitively in all honesty.

as i said i plan on offering the main ticket payout script in non modable form to those who wish to bring back their games that paid money. so games like Slingo, and tringo, bowling , skeeball and more can be brought back,

Right now i have Orbz, Up your ARSEnal, Duck hunt 3d, Robotarget, Mario Kart and a Stuffed Duck (default object) available in my vendor. most being objects that ive sold quite a bit of. to show that stores can indeed drive revenue with ticketek

I think this is a good idea. I don't see any difference between paying to play a slot machine that gives tickets, or an arcade game that gives tickets. I'm not 100% clear on the policy as I have not studied it, but the only real difference between a regular arcade game and a slot machine is that a slot machine is 100% chance - there is no skill involved, so that may throw up a flag. However, I think as long as there is no money being paid out by the machine it should be okay.

I think it's okay for the games to receive money to play. Do you not have to put money in an arcade game to play it? I have an arcade set up at my shop using games created by Seven Shikami that take L$1 to play and give out tickets that you can redeem at a prize counter. Similar idea to this post... I can see many casino games being converted to use a ticket/prize based platform such as this.

the slot machines only pay out L$ with the unused credits as it would be unfair to take the entire ammount if someone does not want to pay on what they feel is an unlucky machine.

but that ammount does not increase at any time.

WOW, Cool Prizes!!!

I will have to come and visit to give it a go, wouldn't mind winning some of those Games.

I know Deal or Decline is a good game and Monopoly in RL is good so your version could be very interesting indeed.

SL is barren of fun except where implied exclusively by the products recommended by their respective ads.

Gambling is the only way you can possibly enjoy SL, remember? The day the last casino shuts down, every single SL server will physically evaporate into dust. SL actually started as a slot machine simulator coded in QBasic.

Yayyy a +20 in Sarcasm!!!! LoL

And personally i do believe alot of fun left SL with casinos. we lost goals to play for. which is the main reason most people play games to begin with. whether it be gambling or just plain gaming.

as i stated before im not looking to revamp gambling in secondlife. im looking to bring the fun of gaming back by adding a goal to work for.

properly named Kush City. i went to go look-see and every prim i was wearing landed up my kush. no fun. sorry.

heyas;

when the gambling ban first came in, i thought of this idea for circumventing it. or, well, 'being legal,' let's say. and it sounds good, and usa arcades do it in real life all the time without having to be in las vegas.

after some thought, i had to admit i don't believe this satisfies the legal criteria.

first up, forget what people and places in real life can do. we're talking about "internet gambling." your local arcade is not the internet ;)

so...

1: do you have to pay to play? yes.
2: is the outcome dependant upon any random number generator? yes.
3: is there a chance you receive something of value (aka "a prize")? yes.

although tickets are not money, you exchange them for something (whether it is cheap crap or not is irrelevant to the law), and that makes them a candidate for #3.


now, as i understand it (and im NOT a lawyer, mind you), you have to take away at least one of these items in order to comply with this rule.

for example, lucky chairs:
3: you get a prize, yes.
2: the letters are chosen at random, yes.
1: you do NOT pay in/make a wager, so no.

therefore, lucky chairs do not fall under this ban.



all right, now if you want to make an arcade, you have to take out one part of the equation, here. if it is a free arcade that gives prizes, fine. if it is a pay-in arcade that gives prizes for skills that are not dependant on random numbers, fine.

if, in fact, its an arcade where you just 'dump in quarters,' and you take out the tickets equation altogether, then that is fine. you pay with no chance whatsoever of any type of payback or renumeration.
the question is, though we dumped quarters in our various youths, will anybody dump lindens just to have fun playing a game?

to be honest, without a chance of winning something (besides your initials on the high score board) -- probably not. i don't care for gambling myself, but to be honest, the prospect of winning a prize makes the thought of paying 'just to have fun' more palatable. oh, it's not *likely* i'll win, but at least i'm not *just* throwing my money away on frivolities. sadly, that seems to be the main perception.

YA RLY!

We cant really Avoid talking about real life. and ill give you a reason why.
much like internet gambling is illegal so is owning a slot machine that pays out real money in an unautorized area in Real life.

nobody can legally own a US Funds Cash machine in most areas of the united states. the acception being usually Tribal Areas, And Places Designated for Gambling By Law.

However. Slot Machines that pay out items such as tokens are indeed allowed. One needs to only goto the Game Room in Keansburg NJ to see this in effect.
The outcome is not gambling because of the fact that the objects returned have no value.

they have no value because
1. you can not pay for them outright you must play to recieve them
2. they cannot be resold
3. they cannot be reused in the machine.

also. you said that my items give a prize. but they do not. they give points.
those points also
1. cannot be bought
2. cannot be resold
3. cannot be reused in any of the games
4. also cannot be transfered or copied

the only way to get the prizes is to use the ticket points you earned in exchange for the prize.

the prize may have value. but the points do not.

but what is being paid out isnt the prize. and despite the fact you can trade the points for the prize the item being paid out is the points which have no value.

you can tell me that the points have value equal to the value of the item but that is not likely as points from 1 game room would equal different to another.. as well as the prizes value. someone could sell 1 item for 300L.. and put it up for 1000 points.. but put a 200L item up for 2000 points. which would really just mess up the whole value system.

but the main reason why the points have no value is because you just cant buy them.. you cant put a price on them and you cant sell them. straight forward.

if you still think otherwise. then answer these questions

1. how much are the ticket points worth?
2. if you came up with an ammount.. how do you plan on paying for it?

if you cant answer both of these then the value of the points are nothing

if im wrong please tell me.