Come Experiance The Return of Secondlife Gaming!

Right now. Experiance the beta testing of a new system that will bring
fun back into secondlife!

Introducing TickeTek Technology

Come To Kush City 161,216
and Play familiar games and new games in the line of the new tech

Games like KC's Real Reel Slots, Deal or Decline, Monopoly Tactics, and TickeTek Scratchoff.

So What Seperates these games from what was considered gambling ?

Ticket points

Simular to what you might see in places like boardwalks/carnivals/gamerooms. the payout is tickets which are
exchanged for prizes(ONLY prizes no L$ or US$). Via a special vendor
made to accept and deduct these tickets from your ticket counter

You can place any copy/trans object in these vendors and use them as
an alternate way to sell/advertise your products. letting people have fun
while earning a chance to get your stuff at a cheaper price.

the ticket points cannot be reused in machines (just like real life tokens/tickets)

These ticket points hold no value in exchange for L$ or US$ making
them a object of no real value.(just like real life tokens/tickets)

the ticket points cannot be bought and they cannot be transfered to
other avatars

Since the payout is not L$/US$ and not a Object of Value the gaming methods are legal in Secondlife.

So come experiance TickeTek Technology. Right now at
Kush City 161,216

Click the large circle ticket vendors (they say CLICK HERE)

wear and register the counter by pressing the red button on the register station in the center of the shop and your ready to play!

Prizes like Orbz, Up your arsenal, Duck hunt 3d, mario kart, Robotarget and more are already set up in the ticket vendors


Soon i will make a non modable script available for game makers who want to convert their older slots and games to Ticketek . hopefully soon we will see a return of great gaming in secondlife!

hate to say it, but your new system still violates policy. You are using points earned through gambling to obtain an object, wither it has linden value or not, the only way to have it with no value would be to be giving away the same items on the vendor for 0$ to those who don't wish to gamble for the discount.

to quote the update of lindens policy

"What about games in which no Linden dollars or other “consideration” is paid out?
If the “payout” involves objects that are more akin to novelty objects that cannot readily be converted into Lindens, real-world currency or value, then that activity will likely be permitted."

My Ticket Points.
1. Cannot be bought
2. Cannot be Reused in the games the were earned in
3. Cannot in any way be converted to Lindens, Real-World Currency or Real Value
4. Cannot be Transfered to anyone. they are added and subtracted

So which means
they are not like Poker chips. they cannot be reused to gain more.
they cant be bought sold or traded for money.

there is no value to these ticket points.

Real Life has been using this same situation for MANY of years in places like Boardwalks/Gamerooms/and even places like chuck e cheese.
and used in the exact same way

1. play game
2. game gives tickets/tokens depending on outcome
3. player trades tickets/tokens for objects that have a specific point assignment

Which by what is presented in RL and Quoted by Linden Labs. My system is Ok and Complient by Second Life Wagering Restrictions.

But as soon as you allow someone to swap them at a fixed rate for something that has value, you give those tickets value.

If the prizes are No Transfer, they could not be exchanged for anything of value...

if that is true.. and thats what defines value.
then your telling me that a boardwalk token/ticket is actually worth something?

i think the definition of value is being confused here.

unless theres a market willing to exchange actual funds worth money for something then it cannot be considered value.

If i walk into a boardwalk game room. place a quarter in a slot machine that pays out ONLY tokens. tokens that cannot be used back in the machine. what am i left with? Tokens. Can i sell those tokens with promises that they will increase in value? No.

if i won a million tokens.. and opened up a store and tried to sell them.. how many people do you think would buy them. would you buy tokens off someone for cash? no.

tokens are only good with the place that distributes them. every coin is labled (NO CASH VALUE). They do not have value and the same goes with places who use tickets for the same thing. its the reason places like boardwalks can have machines like slots.

the main thing to focus on is that you cant use the ticket points to gain more ticket points. that would be gambling. because your Gambling your points to gain MORE points.

The tickets have NO VALUE. because i have made it to where it cannot be bought/traded/sold/exchanged/moved to anyone. you cannot have value in a object that cannot change hands.

btw to clarify how i have made the no transfer thing possible
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if a ticket counter changes hands to another person.. it resets itself and loses all info of tickets.

the counter cannot be copy. if it is copy somehow it will not function and immediatly deactivate.

there is no way of subtracting tickets from the counter other then the vendor which gives out items that you supply yourself. in hopes that you sell this item on the market i would hope you dont make it copy/trans.. or even trans for that matter.

even if you could transfer the object.. the object is now your possession. and if a object is made transferable you have the right to sell that object to anyone else you wish. but that is the object which is traded and not the soul outcome of the gaming itself. the objects are considered the Goal.

im gonna be comparing boardwalks alot here because thats what im basing everything on. its a Legal method situation in RL. you spend your tickets/tokens on something because you want it not because you look to resell it.

Ok, so I sell a firing range in world for 899L$ which is no transfer. That obviously has value because even though its no transfer people pay for it. If I accept 899 of your tokens for it am I suddenly saying my range is worthless, or that each of your tokens are worth 1L$? I believe its the second.

Just because what your exchanging your tokens for isn't cash, it doesn't mean its worthless.

I'll remind you that technically most currency is just that, tokens, and have no intrinsic value in themselves except for the promis about the ability to swap them for something later.

Otherwise it counts as easy to convert the winnings into US$ (which violates the rules)
ie win game -> ticket points -> prize -> sell the prize for L$ -> US$

If you do make the prize no transfer it becomes impossible to convert to US$ (as the "sell the prize for L$" step is blocked) so making your system far less likely to be shut down.

Example expensive prizes that are no transfer: prefab houses, avatars, skins, hair etc

If the item is also marked for sale in the store, it does break the guidelines since it's hardly a novelty in that case.

The only way it would work is if you treat it like a lucky chair (since those generally contain items that aren't also for sale) you have to pay to get the "free" item. Not much of an appeal there.

Well I will give them credit... At least they are trying to come up with something new.

So you're say I can come to this place, play these games for free, and if I win tickets I can trade them for something worthless?

In which case, why would you play the games?

To use a farkism...

O RLY?

But I think that's the key: The games have to be free. There probably has to be some very elaborate legalese posted and probably distributed, explaining how this is a sweepstakes with no purchase necessary.

As soon as one charges for the games, then it becomes nightmarishly complex to "prove" that nothing of worth is being distributed in exchange for the tokens. At the very least, there would have to be no way of obtaining the same items in exchange for L$s, and no way of transferring them. I'm not sure those conditions would be sufficient, but they'd surely be necessary.

This forum is not a medium for free advertising.

It's for cynicism, mysogeny, sarcasm, nit-picking, teasing and trolling.

Quit abusing it.

DISCLAIMER:
The user of our slot machines pays for the thrill and fun. No betting or wagering is involved; the payment is made in order to play for a limited time or a limited number of rounds, comparable to an arcade game.
We give out prizes for the best player results. These prices are gratuitous; the purchase of play time does not entitle the player to win a prize. In other words, players purchase play time / game rounds, NOT the entitlement to win a prize.


^ that's all it needs, imho. Create the games in any form you want, pay out the prizes in any form you want, but make clear that no one is entitled to win them and, above all, no one pays in order to win a prize.

yup, that makes it pay to play, now your getting in to the sticky part of this.
"We give out prizes for the best player results. These prices are gratuitous; the purchase of play time does not entitle the player to win a prize. In other words, players purchase play time / game rounds, NOT the entitlement to win a prize." back to the word games.
"but I didn't touch the cookie jar, I was wearing gloves".

One more time; I'm starting to feel like a top 40 DJ , If you pat to play, if the winner is decided randomly, if it pays out something of value it is banned. If it gives you tickets and you can exchange these tickets for an item, that in it's self gives them value.

I have a question,

Why are there so many negative people in these forums?

Are you sitting next to Kryptonite or something?

Only Brenda's Kryptonite panties.

Thanks for making my morning, luv!

I actually think the OP has the right idea. Concider these points.

1) The owner of the objects tradedf or the Tickets recieves no L$. They either just get free advertising, or are just giving their products away for free. The Tickets are not being refunded for L$ so do not equate to casino chips.

1a) The store owner does get paid for his/her products. See #3 below.

2) This style is used at "Chucky Cheese's" where kids play games to earn tickets which they can use to redeem prizes at that espablishment.

3) What this means is that the people are paying for the products that are redeemed with the tickets, not for the games themselves. The games are just a novalty way to sell said products.

Think of it as a very complicated vendor that was done that way so people could have fun while buying.

~Jessy

We have the exact same thing in my city except its called Time Zone, its very fun, a lot more fun than gambling actually. So fun you don't really care if you win tickets or not, thats just a bonus.

I think Kain Cleaver has a brilliant idea and it looks like he has a huge head start on the rest of the game development community, although the others aren't far off from bringing the idea's they have to the table.

That's the crux: The machines themselves can't pay out, that would be too obvious. Paying out needs to be done by human personnel, as an award for the best gamers. The machines may hand out a framed certificate or something, but the monetary reward is nothing but a gratuitous and completely voluntary service of the arcade hall owner (not gambling hall), something the gamer has no entitlement on.

Disclaimers are a nice thing. The adult website owner who grants everyone access might get into legal trouble, but a simple disclaimer avoids that. After a "Stay out, kid" disclaimer has been shown to little Johnny, no one can be held responsible for throwing bare nipples at him. Selling a WoW account violates Blizzard's EULA. Add a disclaimer stating that the buyer only pays for the invested time, not for the data which still belongs to Blizzard, and no one can forbid it. Links on a website hold the site owner responsible for the contents of the linked pages, according to German law. But if he adds a disclaimer stating "I ain't not responsible for any linked stuff, nosir", he may link to a construction manual for dirty bombs or a website that sells petri dishes full of anthrax cultures.

I hadn't noticed that THE FUN left.