Large scale subdividing of land

Please pardon my ignorance, but I'm a little confused (yeah, so what else is new?? lol). I understand the difference between "cutters" and "flippers", but once the land is "cut", isn't the result a lot of 16s being for sale in the middle of otherwise occupied sims? And isn't THAT the actual "issue"? So while I can "get" going after the "cutters", how does that exempt the "flippers"? Probably a poor analogy, but if I buy an item that was stolen, and I know it was stolen, I run the risk of being arrested for receiving stolen property, right? No, "I" didn't steal it, but nonetheless, it WAS stolen. :: shrug ::

I don't know you, Elanthius, but I get from the comments that you are VERY respected, and I've read about a lot of really great things you've done--honest, fair and gallant things. With that in mind, I hope you don't perceive my questions to be personal in nature. I have never had a problem with the 16s, either cutters or flippers, I guess because my partner and I have never been directly affected by them, so I have no emotional attachment to this argument. I am, though, confused by the distinction being made.

Yeah, I expect people like me and the Arbor Project and I suppose Weedy's group and whoeever else just happens to own a lot of small parcels will all be "contacted" but the implication is that the discussion will lead to an understanding and then there'll be no problem.

It's a shame they're going by land ownership and not actual land cutting activity. It would be far more valuable to simply contact anyone who cuts a 512 into all 16s or who cuts out a 16 from larger parcels on dozens of sims. That sort of information may not be available though.

I wonder if, when LL "talks to" the owners of many microparcels, they would offer to consolidate their holdings. So if Elanthius owns, say, 4,096 16m2 parcels scattered around the grid, LL would swap them for a full region. LL could then offer the 16s to neighboring landowners at reasonable prices.

People like Elanthius are real estate agents. They buy and sell land and in doing so they help a lot of people to get at least something back even for the most worthless land on the most worthless sims made that way by land gougers. And there some pretty worthless ones on the mainland today. When I bought my latest home parcel just before Xmas it was so worthless even the landbots didnt want it =)

I have had 3 dealings with Elanthius and his company.

1) I messed up the sale price on a beach property I had. Their landbot snap it up. I ask can I have it back because I made a mistake. They gave it back to me.
2) I was flying along one day and I met a guy who was dumping his land to reduce his tier. He set to sell while I was talking to him. I buy it. Was the biggest parcel I ever bought. Elanthius show up and go arg !!! He ask what was I going to do with it. I said I was going to cut it in half and sell it. He grumped me bigtime about that. So I sell it all to him as one piece and I made a whole 0.03L per m and he wander off muttering about amateurs =)
3) On my home sim where I am now I had a look round before I buy. I find 64m total in seperate microparcels had been surrendered to the Governor by his company. They could have flipped these microparcels but they didnt.

So ya I think he is a good guy. And I learn a whole lot from him and his company on these three occasions. And also from some other people like them as well. Landbaron not always equal bad person.

And if Mr Jack Linden was to invite all the mainland real estate agents to his office to thrash out a price for microparcels on the mainland then that would be good for everyone. And I trust them to do this for me.

Arielyn, my sense from Jack's post was that they will be talking to these 10 offenders and working out a solution. .

If you like to buy my property, IM me. Dont waste my time with offers under 9000L for 16m please. Thanks!

... what difference it makes WHO owns the 16s after they are cut. Regardless of ownership, we still have the issue of the 16s BEING THERE, right?? What am I missing??? ...

It's a micro parcel issue and I feel Linden Lab are doing a deal that many would find uncomfortable but that makes sense and will see the end of the perps without silly drama.

Are you implying a deal that compensates the microparcel owners generously? Surely that would be disastrous? Would it not simply reinforce destructive behaviour* and guarantee the emergence of new mainland-damaging schemes to extract repeated reward.

Either way I feel Linden Lab are going down the sensible route of being flexible without setting in stone rules and procedures that some smartarse would find a way of circumventing.

What, like they were with "for sale" boxes on large parcels?

No that was a rule that shouldn't have been included. That's the sort of thing that happens when you have too many rules.

Arielyn you not missing anything =) ...

That rule wasn't in the stated policy, it was an interpretation of the policy in response to a question in the forums.

If they'd included "size" as a criterion in the rules it wouldn't have happened.

Yes it was in the stated policy, although I have a feeling we're at crossed purposes here, in the second post, after they'd abandoned the idea of licensing Jack said in the blog post:

"Q. Does this policy include signs advertising Parcels for sale?
A. Yes it does."

That was clarifying a question someone asked in the forums about "for sale" signs on microparcels.

So now the policy doesn't ban having hundreds or thousands of signs on large parcels, unless they're "for sale" signs. Because someone on the G-team misinterpreted Jack's comment, and there was no rule limiting the policy to microparcels.

The advertising policy is not limited to microparcels, that's correct.

Trying to circumvent the policy by placing different signs on a larger policy is a clear violation, I'm not sure how the person from the G-Team can see it any different.

That's my point. That's a problem with the policy. It was not sufficiently well defined.

It shouldn't have been a violation. The policy was defined too loosely, and it was treated as covering behavior that was not related to the reason for the policy being created and should not have been banned. That is the problem with loose rules, and why I am concerned about the new policy.

"Large scale subdividing of land for the purpose of selling will be considered a violation. This is effective immediately." -- Mr Jack Linden

YaY !!!

I wonder if Mr Jack Linden wants another smooch =)

i<3u =)

If you're using the parcel solely for advertising then yes it should be a violation to fill your parcel with multiple adverts, that was the whole point of the policy.

Sorry if this gas been brought up all ready. But this policy looks very vage. We are all talking about micro parcels, but that's not mentioned in jacks quote.
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Just curious. And a bit worried about the lack of specific wording in the policy.

Jack also mentions that "the top ten micro parcel owners hold well over 50% of all the 16m parcels on the Mainland between them.

It seems that they are looking at 16 *ownership* in order to pick a shortlist of people to keep an eye on.
They are probably going on a 'know it when I see it'.