Large scale subdividing of land

"Large scale subdividing of land for the purpose of selling will be considered a violation. This is effective immediately." -- Mr Jack Linden

YaY !!!

I wonder if Mr Jack Linden wants another smooch =)

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so is cutting a 512 into 16s large scale? Cause if it isn't, I can see this not working.

(actually after the Ali fiasco I should prolly go read it first lol)

ah so it appears they pretty much know who they are targeting, and will be talking to them directly. I was surprised to read that such a small number of operations are working on such a large scale.

Comments are closed or I would have asked if they would be doing anything about the creative cutting of a 16 out of the middle of a 1024.

It seems to me that LL are treating this as an environmental abuse issue, same as they did with the Adfarming issue.

I think this approach is more workable and sustainable in the long term than trying to address it as an abuse against people.

I wonder how having multiple accounts works with land cutting.

Reading this paragraph I would say yes but only if you then put them all up for sale.
So to recap


I think that pretty much explains itself and put simply, "don't cut small and sell large".

Yeah it'll be interesting because quite a small operation, say 10 or 20 16s could devestate an entire sim. On the other hand I own tons of tiny parcels and hope not to get bit by this. I think it'll work out though, just the threat is enough. My count of 16s on the books has increased massively in the last few days as ad farmers have been dumping their land onto me and presumably shutting down their operations. With luck I'll be able to explain that I buy and resell 16s but don't create them which will presumably be good enough.

There's a few heuristics they can use to automatically find these guys
* Sort land owners by number of small parcels owned
* Find land owners where the average parcel size is very small

I think if you looked at those two lists once a month and had a quiet word with everyone on it you'd get good results. Land owners tend to freak out when they get warnings and ad farming is really a long term game they can't afford to swap parcels around between alts all the time and risk losing all their land at any moment.

Lastly, for my personal benefit I'm glad there's no price limit on 16s. I was trying to work with some of those guys and "get" where they're coming from but in the end all the price fixing rules ran counter to what I really think which is that pricing is not the problem, cutting is the problem. Stop cutting and let people do what they want with their land, including selling it for a billion L$.

Elanthius,

I know your intentions of owning the land are totally different to the purposes that the land was cut first place, but as the current owner of so many as you have mentioned why should you be any different and not come under the new TOS?

If you own them regardless whether you cut them or not I see no reason why you should be exempt, its not as if you are using all those 16's scattered around all the continents for perfectly good reasons other than to financially benefit.

I shouldn't but which bit of the "TOS" are you thinking of? As far as I can see the blog post just goes on and on about widescale cutting which land flippers like me don't do.

A good question Elanthius and one you might have to argue over.

I agree with you though that the current TOS are primarily aimed at cutters and not land flippers and thats where LL would need to differentiate and its certainly not clear exactly where the likes of yourself fit in this.

Looking over the TOS this was just how I intepreted it with regards to someone like yourself hence my reason for quoting your post.

You don't sub divide but you already own micro parcels on a commerical scale.You don't own your parcels for any of these reasons stated. Again this is not referring to you I know.
and its this statement that may or may not bring you in line with the Top Ten Micro Owners who hold over 50% of them all for commercial gain.

As always the way in which LL write their TOS is not clear and can be misconstrued to include "all" or "only" so to speak and that was why I asked you my question knowing that you flip and not cut but hold a considerable amount of them for resale purposes.

Either way I'd be interested to hear how you get on and wish you luck.

I doubt Elanthius would be affected because it specifically mentions large scale subdividing, not large scale owning of 16m land.

Otherwise there are some groups like the Arbor project that might be in trouble too, when their purpose was exactly the opposite of what the land cutters do.

Jack also mentions that "the top ten micro parcel owners hold well over 50% of all the 16m parcels on the Mainland between them.

It seems that they are looking at 16 *ownership* in order to pick a shortlist of people to keep an eye on.
They are probably going on a 'know it when I see it'.

How would the perps try to game this?
- reduce count of 16s for sale. Just have one 16 for sale in each block. Put up another as soon as the for sale one sells.
- reduce count of 16s owned. Join existing collections in each sim. Only cut each new 16 out of the block when it is to be put on sale.
- spread ownership over groups and alts


LL could track sales of microparcels over a time window and use their data to group owners under single (suspected even) RL entities.

Yeah, I expect people like me and the Arbor Project and I suppose Weedy's group and whoeever else just happens to own a lot of small parcels will all be "contacted" but the implication is that the discussion will lead to an understanding and then there'll be no problem.

It's a shame they're going by land ownership and not actual land cutting activity. It would be far more valuable to simply contact anyone who cuts a 512 into all 16s or who cuts out a 16 from larger parcels on dozens of sims. That sort of information may not be available though.

Well, Govenor Linden is one of the largest microplot owners, I hope they will be contacting her! Seriously though, I am saddened that this announcement omits any of the numerous suggested methods that could have been used to motivate rejoining. There is nothing to encourage resisents to rejoin adjacent microplots or to combine isolated ones into neighbouring land. There are enough microplots out there already to sustain present practices for years. A missed opportunity indeed.

Firstly - YAY!!!! to Jack


I think you're probably right here, Elanthius - but my thoughts on reading your earlier posts here were that perhaps you should rescript your bots, at least temporarily, to only buy parcels >32m2 or something? Otherwise you may end up owning even more dumped 16s than the loads from last w/e.

Once you get more clarity you could change the script back.

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I like to think they know the history of the parcels from auction and subdivision to final sale, but I might be hoping for too much.

I think LL have taken the right approach. This is a tight policy. I like it.

People like Elanthius and Arbor and others like them are not the target of this policy. I like this also.

The policy respects existing property rights as people who Live and Build on the mainland expect them to be respected. This I like as well.

People who rip and gouge the mainland are now going to be treated by LL in the same way that people in real are who chop down rainforests and blow dirty smoke into the sky and pump untreated sewage and runoff into the rivers and oceans. I like this very much.


Did I say YaY ???

YaY !!! =)

Edit: and Coco Linden going to fix it so we can turn the Tape off and on as it suits us as well. Is going to be great for us mainlanders. Neighbour gets to control access to their parcel, nextdoors dont get blinded by the Tape and if the size and visibility of the Tape is also adjustable then be good for the flyers as well. YaY !!! again =)

Tape?

I think that's the No Entry lines.

-Atashi

It still needs to show up on the minimap.

Messing around with the fine details of visibility of ban lines isn't going to change the fact that the current access controls are unnecessary for security and provide little or no privacy, and need fundamental changes.

You mean they are all going to become enormously rich and move to large offshore estates where they don't have to suffer the ravages that have brought them their wealth?

Not sure about cause and effect there. Many of them ravaged the Mainland for the expressed purpose of driving their victims to Estates. Some of them still set their alts out to whine about the "unfair" tier differential between Mainland and Estate sims, hoping LL will complete depopulating the Mainland with a tier increase.

What mystifies me is how these guys hang on to one scam until the bitter end, only to jump into the very next thing LL is about to ban. I'll bet there are landcutters right now making alts for their new traffic-for-hire business. *boggles*

Please pardon my ignorance, but I'm a little confused (yeah, so what else is new?? lol). I understand the difference between "cutters" and "flippers", but once the land is "cut", isn't the result a lot of 16s being for sale in the middle of otherwise occupied sims? And isn't THAT the actual "issue"? So while I can "get" going after the "cutters", how does that exempt the "flippers"? Probably a poor analogy, but if I buy an item that was stolen, and I know it was stolen, I run the risk of being arrested for receiving stolen property, right? No, "I" didn't steal it, but nonetheless, it WAS stolen. :: shrug ::

I don't know you, Elanthius, but I get from the comments that you are VERY respected, and I've read about a lot of really great things you've done--honest, fair and gallant things. With that in mind, I hope you don't perceive my questions to be personal in nature. I have never had a problem with the 16s, either cutters or flippers, I guess because my partner and I have never been directly affected by them, so I have no emotional attachment to this argument. I am, though, confused by the distinction being made.

I think the point is that the big polluters in RL take their golden parachutes and let the shell of the company they leave behind go bankrupt.

I agree. I want a skybox zone as well.

On the ground though, being able to hide the redtape in our viewer, will make for easier living on our 512m nextdoor.