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Solanghe Sarlo
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12-27-2007 12:38
From: Okiphia Anatine
Most of the time a thread is locked it's rather obvious what was wrong.. so maybe they figure we don't deserve an explanation any more. We've had enough locked to recognize the symptoms.....



Agreed. Any of the regulars here can recognize when a thread has gone of the deep end or belongs in a different place. You don't have to be a res mod to be able to see that. Do we really need a detailed explanation anymore? Frankly I was wondering when some of these threads were going to be closed.

Also res mods usually have to put up with a bunch of attitude after locking a thread. That would make me not want to comment; even though it's appropriate to do so.
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Qie Niangao
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12-27-2007 12:47
From: Strife Onizuka
What they failed to realize was that I don't have the authority to ban people.
Being a resourceful little rodent, I decided to ferret out who needed the ban hammer, by intersecting the sets of posters to all the closed threads. I started with the shortest, working my way up, but only had to do two threads to get a unique solution. Naturally, I can't name the evil-doer in the forums, so the solution is left as an exercise to the reader.

(Oryx, when you're gone, can I have your stuff?) ;)
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12-27-2007 12:48
Thank you Strife I know I very rarely say it ..but thank you ;-)
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12-27-2007 12:54
From: Qie Niangao
Being a resourceful little rodent, I decided to ferret out who needed the ban hammer, by intersecting the sets of posters to all the closed threads. I started with the shortest, working my way up, but only had to do two threads to get a unique solution. Naturally, I can't name the evil-doer in the forums, so the solution is left as an exercise to the reader.

(Oryx, when you're gone, can I have your stuff?) ;)

Sure.

[Edit: Sorry. I'm miffed at this whole thing. I'm going on walkabout. See you all in a while.]
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Cristalle Karami
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12-27-2007 12:55
For the vast majority of the threads that were closed, I understood why. But one was undeserving - particularly the classified/search thread where James Linden was soliciting input. This thread stayed on target and had very good ideas flowing. Why was this closed? Of all the threads that need an explanation, this one was it.
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Strauss Ulderport
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12-27-2007 12:55
From: Cherry Czervik
So apply to be a mod then.


While I have been around the online block more then once since '84 looking at when I joined SL (and I think the only factor they care about and will base my 'experience' on) I don't think it will be very productive. Perhaps I am wrong.

On a side note considering some of the forums I used to run or/and mod this is pretty tame all things considered! :)
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Lexxi Gynoid
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12-27-2007 12:55
From: Okiphia Anatine
Most of the time a thread is locked it's rather obvious what was wrong.. so maybe they figure we don't deserve an explanation any more. We've had enough locked to recognize the symptoms.....

From: Solanghe Sarlo
Agreed. Any of the regulars here can recognize when a thread has gone of the deep end or belongs in a different place. You don't have to be a res mod to be able to see that. Do we really need a detailed explanation anymore? Frankly I was wondering when some of these threads were going to be closed.

Also res mods usually have to put up with a bunch of attitude after locking a thread. That would make me not want to comment; even though it's appropriate to do so.

Hehe, and all these "the forum is made up of exclusive members . . elitism!!!!" . . . um . . not everyone is a regular, not everyone that will ever read the forums has joined SL at this point. Point? All those: do a search for answers, newbie . . . they might or might not read a locked thread, beside the point, but if they do read it, do not find an answer, see that it is locked for some unknown reason . . . .wow, hate to be a newbie.
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Solanghe Sarlo
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12-27-2007 13:33
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Hehe, and all these "the forum is made up of exclusive members . . elitism!!!!" not everyone is a regular, not everyone that will ever read the forums has joined SL at this point.



Lexxi! Neither I nor Okiphia used the word "elitist" or "exclusive". Bad Kitty! :D

Ok. You do however make a valid point about new people reading a thread, etc., etc.

Duly noted.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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12-27-2007 13:37
From: Solanghe Sarlo
Lexxi! Neither I nor Okiphia used the word "elitist" or "exclusive". Bad Kitty! :D

Ok. You do however make a valid point about new people reading a thread, etc., etc.

Duly noted.

Actually meant all those threads about how closed/group dominated/the Forum is mean because exclusive/elitist :)
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Cherry Czervik
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12-27-2007 14:10
From: Strauss Ulderport
While I have been around the online block more then once since '84 looking at when I joined SL (and I think the only factor they care about and will base my 'experience' on) I don't think it will be very productive. Perhaps I am wrong.

On a side note considering some of the forums I used to run or/and mod this is pretty tame all things considered! :)


It is, although on a site with the official stuff it's not used to blow sunshine up LL.

You missed my point however.
Phil Deakins
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12-27-2007 18:09
From: Strife Onizuka
My actions were prompted by a PM someone sent. They sent a well constructed argument that directly quoted this forums rule sticky. What they failed to realize was that I don't have the authority to ban people.

So I did a little cleanup.
You are at liberty to do "a little clean-up", of course, but it's common courtesy in forums for the mod to write a short note as to why a thread is locked. It also helps forum users to understand what won't be tolerated. Perhaps you would like to go round the recently locked threads and write those short notes.

Incidentally, the only valid reasons for locking a thread is when people get to flaming or go way off-topic, AND the flames should be removed. In those cases the thread has got out of hand and locking it is one alternative. Bad language, and other such things, should be dealt with in other ways. Locking a thread isn't a suitable way of dealing with it.
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12-27-2007 22:17
From: Raymond Figtree
I see five threads have been locked with no explanation or source of who the avatar is that is doing the locking. With a few of these, no explanation was needed, but it would be nice to see who is doing the locking and why.

Is this going to be the policy moving forward? I guess the mysterious ResMod is the only one who can answer this particular question.

Aki must have already feverishly started his/her new job. :D haven't seen you posting lately Raymond. hi! *waves*

From: Strife Onizuka
Oh speaking of new year, I will be taking a sabbatical from my resmod duties at the start of the new year. Aki Linden will be taking over pro tempore.
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12-27-2007 22:36
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Hehe, and all these "the forum is made up of exclusive members . . elitism!!!!" . . . um . . not everyone is a regular, not everyone that will ever read the forums has joined SL at this point. Point? All those: do a search for answers, newbie . . . they might or might not read a locked thread, beside the point, but if they do read it, do not find an answer, see that it is locked for some unknown reason . . . .wow, hate to be a newbie.

as a newbie on the forums I didnt read any threads to try to figure out my problems lol.. most also dont here, since even if told to searc they usually get the answer still.

But you do make a good point ;)
Raymond Figtree
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12-27-2007 22:42
Strife gets crap whether he posts comments or not. Did not realize it was him. Just a different method of operation that took me by surprise. Perhaps he got tired of being verbally bruised and beaten.
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12-27-2007 23:03
From: Phil Deakins
You are at liberty to do "a little clean-up", of course, but it's common courtesy in forums for the mod to write a short note as to why a thread is locked. It also helps forum users to understand what won't be tolerated. Perhaps you would like to go round the recently locked threads and write those short notes.

Incidentally, the only valid reasons for locking a thread is when people get to flaming or go way off-topic, AND the flames should be removed. In those cases the thread has got out of hand and locking it is one alternative. Bad language, and other such things, should be dealt with in other ways. Locking a thread isn't a suitable way of dealing with it.


Phil, Strife is very aware of common courtesy that is normally applied in being a forum mod, but Strife has also been doing this all alone for too long and has held up extremely well given the circumstances. At the start of 2008 Strife will be taking a well deserved sabbatical so the lesson in formality is really unnecessary.
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12-27-2007 23:05
From: Raymond Figtree
Strife gets crap whether he posts comments or not. Did not realize it was him. Just a different method of operation that took me by surprise. Perhaps he got tired of being verbally bruised and beaten.

It's not that so much, I don't care about that (matter of fact, I consider complaints a mark that I'm doing something right). You could say I'm burnt out with being a forum moderator. It's not about not being told enough that I'm doing a good job or the neigh sayers either.

I pass the test! I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Strife.


The problem stems with my apathy levels rising. To counter act the apathy I made my moderation tools more powerful and automated; which is where the trouble comes in, it makes it too easy to do things. Being able to close many threads all at once isn't a good thing, the task really requires individual attention, the current revision of my GM script doesn't: just a few check boxes and button click away from locking a forum page full of threads.

See you on the flip side.

Tomorrow I return home.
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12-27-2007 23:15
Strife is very fair. I know at times he can be alittle hard about issues. But he needs to be because you can`t favor one person over another. That what makes Strife different then most. I been around the internet for over 12 years now. Been a forum mod in the past for a very large site. But i never seen anyone like Strife, fair is what this person about. If you look up his name ( joking of course ) you find FAIRNESS............................Strife Onizuka Without Strife Onizuka this forum would be a mess.

Just my 10,000 yen worth,

Usagi
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12-28-2007 00:10
From: Strife Onizuka
It's not that so much, I don't care about that (matter of fact, I consider complaints a mark that I'm doing something right). You could say I'm burnt out with being a forum moderator. It's not about not being told enough that I'm doing a good job or the neigh sayers either.

I pass the test! I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Strife.


The problem stems with my apathy levels rising. To counter act the apathy I made my moderation tools more powerful and automated; which is where the trouble comes in, it makes it too easy to do things. Being able to close many threads all at once isn't a good thing, the task really requires individual attention, the current revision of my GM script doesn't: just a few check boxes and button click away from locking a forum page full of threads.

See you on the flip side.

Tomorrow I return home.


Who wouldn't be burned out with this after carrying the can far too long. Hugs.
Raymond Figtree
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12-28-2007 00:30
From: Strife Onizuka
It's not about not being told enough that I'm doing a good job.
Guess my work here is done. :)
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12-28-2007 01:45
I for one welcome our new bot moderators..................... :)
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Ciaran Laval
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12-28-2007 01:49
Being a mod is a thankless task, damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The major problem stems from there being no general SL discussion forum. RA has been pretty much hijacked because there is no general discussion forum.
Usagi Musashi
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12-28-2007 02:36
Ciaran sums that up correct!
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12-28-2007 03:36
hmmm now if we could just make a bot that autolocks any thread in RA over 2 pages.....
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Snowman Jiminy
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12-28-2007 03:40
From: Raymond Figtree
Strife gets crap whether he posts comments or not. Did not realize it was him. Just a different method of operation that took me by surprise. Perhaps he got tired of being verbally bruised and beaten.


Strife probably locked the threads without comment as he was doing the incumbent ResMod a favor, and it might have been inappropriate for him to personally leave a message. That would seem good reason to me anyway.
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12-28-2007 05:29
Does locking a thread without commenting prevent it from receiving a "bump"? That'd be good reason not to comment.
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