How do you feel about using Rezz tools?

There will be more overhead in storing 16 256x256 images in the cache, because there's some overhead associated with each item. Depending on how the cache is implemented, there could also be more wasted space. (Just as small files cause a lot of waste and fragmentation on disk drives with large cluster sizes.)

I don't know whether SL opens a new connection for each download. I'd hope not, but if it did, the connection overhead would be a factor.

You're right, it is simple.

It is ok to affect sim performance in any way the owner of the sim says is ok. It's ok to use prim allocations in any way the owner of the sim says is ok. It's ok to use temp rezzers in any way the owner of the sim says is ok.

Mind you, I totally agree with your sentiment when people are doing it on mainland where they're sharing the sim, when people are taking advantage of a landlord, and so on. I agree that temp-rezzers are frequently abusive.

But not always. The original poster has been up front with us, and presumably the landlord. He's been doing everything right. Personally, I wouldn't use a temp-rezzer, but let's not get on his case just because he's using something, fairly, that many other people abuse.

I agree that if the sim owner is OK with it then fire away.

My comments were more appropriate to a mainland situation in which the sim owners are all the people who own land in the sim.

Kidd, it's an open forum, judgments are going to be made.

Further, the OP asked for them to be made. "How do you feel about using rezz tools?", not, "Please back up my use of rez tools and soothe my conscience.".

I've argued that the group dynamic does not benefit from the use of these things, instead of lifting everyone in the group, use of temp rezzers lifts him personally at the expense of the group.

Nothing much else to see here.

I read this thread and the thing that struck me was the observation that the OP purchased and used the technology (presumably thinking it was fine), indeed invested a lot of work by his own account before coming and asking the questions.

My question is - why did he seek to ask this questions here if he thought it was fine and if he had doubts enough to ask the questions here, why did he use the techology first using large amounts of time to get it just right?

Even at the point of asking the questions here he did not have his landlady's permission to use the technology and because of the time invested has (presumbly and in my opinion) seemed recticent to find an alternate way to present his products.

I think he has been very lucky his landlady was as generous as she has been.

The lesson to learn from all this I beleive is if you are not sure that what you are doing is fine and may have an impact on your neighbours/landlady/sim/grid then ask first before investing the time and money on the project.

I don't know about this a neighboring sim of one of my friends sim is causing tons, tons of lag and Concierge told her they couldn't help her. One would think something would be done about it.

Find a support Linden with a clue?
Maybe such well-justified ARs are a lottery.

Michael,

You're getting good advice. In general, temp rezzers are Bad.

IMO, there's at least one legitimate use for them...the holovendor.

This is a vendor that, instead of showing a picture of the item, rezzes a temporary copy of the item in 3D. Very useful for things that need a walk-around or a sit upon.

If you use one, be sure that the primmiest thing it rezzes is within the prim limits of YOUR parcel...not just within the sim limits.

(Similarly, the holo-room has a legitimate use. You can buy a house that "works" like a high prim mansion, but prims out like a compact cottage...because only one room's worth of the house is ever rezzed at any one time.)

Hi Lindal,

I have been doing some work with holorooms recently and the ones I have been using do not use temp-rezz at all. The prims are permanent and have killscripts in them to de-rezz them - otherwise they would have to be refreshed every so often and suffer from flicker (the ones I have been using do not).

I agree though there are big advantages to having a house where only one room is rezzed at a time.

You say tInstaafl,
I say tAnstaafl,
Let's call the whole thing off.

He didn't ask "Is my agreement with my landlord reasonable, or am I exploiting my landlord?" In this case, their business deal is none of your business. You have a right to an opinion about it, you even have a right to express that opinion here, but that doesn't make it appropriate.


Group dynamic? No, you've done no such thing. I don't recall seeing anyone use that term before in this thread. Furthermore, there is no group to have a dynamic to analyze. There's only the landlord and tenant.

Again, I agree that temp rezzers are often problematic. I even agree that I've seen other apologists for temp rezzers who present faulty arguments or are being unreasonable or unfair. But each situation needs to be evaluated on its merits. Bashing this particular person in this particular situation just because other people abuse the system is unfair and unreasonable.

Been wondering why in the objects tab for my land has a sizable number of prims in the Selected/Sat upon area lately. The Knowledge base says:

Selected / sat upon shows the number of objects that are currently selected or sat upon by an avatar.

I'm the only one in the sim at the time - and I'm standing on the ground - not selecting anything.

Anyone know what Selected/sat upon actually means - since it's not obvious? The neighbors on either side use temp rez heavily. Could this be it?

I can't prove that temp rez causes lag. All I know is that the more they temp rez, the lower the fps is dropping.

Thanks!

It means exactly what it says it means.
Most of the times, that is.

The last couple of days, I've had strangely high numbers of 'selected' prims show up in the About Land tab, even when nothing was selected or sat upon. Restarting the sim corrected the issue.

In my experience, temporary prims don't show up in the general About Land numbers. They only show up as a difference between the general numbers and the (higher) numbers of prims specified per owner.

VWR-5721

There is a difference between knowing whether temp-rezzers work against sim prim count, and whether a couch takes up prims on your land.

It isn't stealing. It's been given to me.

It's not causing lag, and it's not stealing prims. I told everyone, the sim is a ghost town. I'm running a P3, and even after clearing cache, it runs fine.

I don't see where the kind of snide remarks are coming from. Even after I get full permission, you guys are still making me feel like shit for it.

Why?

I think you are assuming I am making a snide comment ..

My statement was not snide. I was saying if the SIM owner gave you permission, it does not matter whether you are causing lag or not.

Its no different than if you wanted to build a giant purply-plastic volcano in a strict themed Victorian SIM. Even if it didn't fit the theme and was an eyesore - who cares because the SIM owner gave you permission to build it.

Some people have very little competition--like I was saying before, there are only three other residents that make film and studio equipment. I'm very comfortable with the quality of my pieces...let's just say.

I understand. I think you are speaking in extremes though. If a shop is so poorly set up and optimized that nothing loads and takes forever to move 10 meters, then yes...that's a crappy situation.

My shop runs fine though, and is laid out well. The temp rezzer only makes things more accessible and dynamic--there isn't a drop in performance...and if there is, it's minimal.

Hi, Michael. You could probably start a new thread with this topic for discussion. But here is my feelings on shopping taken from a comment in the middle of a technical thread ^.^

When I go to a store for the first time, I know it will take time to rez. I just move off the landing pad a bit and wait or go make a drink or what ever. What I would like like is that after i get back, I want to see the sections of the store so I can go where I want quickly. Hair left, furniture right, shoes second floor, whatever.

I also want the aisles to be open enough so that I don't have my camera crowded up behind me.

If I need to see the final product, that is like the last thing I would do. Find the area, look at the static pictures, click to res a copy of the furniture. I would like to do things in that order. Why wait for a ton of blue cars to rez when I want to buy a red motorcycle. Does that make sense?

I have to agree with Michael's post in #67. He took the time to research the possible implications on the forums, is now fully informed and will presumably take the rezzer down or move if/when the sim begins to fill up. Yes, his landlord is giving him a break, essentially loaning him prim count. But then, I lived for free in a great little skybox for months. Sometimes people are just nice to you ...

Yes, if I were the estate owner and someone asked me this, and I had unused land, I would probably just "loan" them the prim count until the land was rented, preferring not to have a temp-rezzer around. But ... different strokes *shrugs*

Michael hasn't been argumentative here (which many of us well know he can be if he wants ) How about we cut him some slack and ... move on!
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Oh my oh my. I'm a freeloader now?

My landlord has completely OK'ed my use of the rezzer, because she knows the sim is unpopulated...and I"m a freeloader?

I"m not bogging the sim down, nor and I stealing. You guys are ridiculous.

But I wasn't making a comment saying he shouldn't use Temp rezzors !

LOL

Yes, but when someone comes at me with an unadulterated bash, calling me a freeloader, even after I've clearly made all the right decisions, and received the OK from the landlord...

...well, that's just rude. Who wouldn't find these comments offensive, and respond to the irrationality and cruelty of their replies.

Whoa whoa...hold on there cowboy. I wasn't, how did you put it, 'recticent' to find an alternate way to present my products. I said clearly several times, if the landlord doesn't like it, I'll remove it, and use a one-item at a time rezzer...that was clear.


I may be savvy about a lot of things, but I'm not completely clear on temp rezzers. My friend was using one, the same way I was, so I thought it was fine. I went to check out the product, and it didn't seem to me that I was purchasing a 'freeloader's' device.

I simply wasn't aware it was such an issue. However, after I set everything up, I began to think...this is too good to be true. What do other citizens think of it?


So I came here, and promptly asked the landlord.

That's the full story.