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Michael Bigwig
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11-13-2007 11:53
From: Solanghe Sarlo
Hi Michael,

I really don't think it's a dodge; it's the answer to your query that the person wanted to give you. Just because the answer may not be as complete, detailed or whatever, as you would like it, it is an answer none the less and you should just respect that. No offense. :)

As for me, I don't care really. I'm already so bombarded with spam and junk mail, etc. that I don't think it will make much of a difference if it's about mass marketing. :p I do like the ability to search for items for sale and what not without logging in. That's cool.

Sol


Hi Solanghe,

I think people should respect the fact that I called out an obvious 'dodge.' There isn't a single politician, psychiatrist, or parent that wouldn't agree. If you guys want to just keep repeating 'it was an answer, it was an answer' then fine...but we all know it's not.
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11-13-2007 11:54
From: Ceera Murakami
Why I don't want my Profile on the Web:

I fully believe that the web-accessible data WILL get used to spam people. If not via email, then via in-world bots, after the marketers realize there are millions of user accounts that have enough free information on them there for the harvesting. It doesn't matter if that spam ever gets to my Player directly. It will get to my Avatar...

Placing the profile info on the Web also opens access to hoardes of data miners that have NO CLUE what SL actually is. As far as some PI in New Jersey is concerned, the BDSM club that Suzy Strumpett is a member of in SL is just as real as the one in his town's red light district. So some PI starts doing random data mining on the web, and conects the data point "Suzy Strumpett: Member of a BDSM Club" with a casual reference on a personal Blog where some lady in New York mentions that her sister is called "Suzy Strumpett" in Second Life, and with the fact that that sister's real name came up on an employer's general search for background check data when that real woman applied for a job...

Suddenly a FICTIONAL club membership becomes a reason to deny the Player a real job...

Meanwhile, Suzy is only part of that group because she got spammed with a group invite when she poked her nose curiously into the club.

Profiles contain information on personal associations and group memberships that a person in-world likely has at least some understanding of. But the general Joe Bloke on the Internet? No clue.

The information can too easily be abused. It shouldn't be public information unless we want it to be.


This was an answer: take note. :) I love you all.
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Michael Bigwig
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11-13-2007 11:55
From: Chas Connolly
I'm not bashing you, Michael, I'm just objecting to you bashing others, probably due to to your inability to understand and appreciate other people's points of view.

I've promised myself I won't get into any more slanging matches. This is not the place for them. So I'll bid farewell to this pointles debate and go elsewhere.

Have fun being you.


lol
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Sally Silvera
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11-13-2007 11:57
From: Michael Bigwig
You're just playing games. You know what I mean by a 'dodge.' It's a simple conversation tactic, and this situation fits like a glove.
Semantics anyone?


Michael, I answered your question, twice. You subsequently proceed to express yourself in rather unfortunate ways. Like I said if you don't like the answer, perhaps you need to ask another question, or phrase it differently.
I don't play games, I try to answer questions and help people. That is what this forum is for after all. :)
I try to be helpful and friendly and am not going to let myself be dragged into these debates from now on.
Have fun :) I'm out of here.
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11-13-2007 11:57
From: Brenda Connolly
In your example MR Citizen has a right to a more precise answer. In the case here "personal choice " is the only answer anyone is entitled to. Mike, I sometimes agreed that people used you as a lightning rod, amything you said would be contested just because you said it . But, you do approach everyone who doesn't see things your waythe same way. They are automatically placed on the defensive either because: they don't understand your points, are either shortsighted or read too much into it, or they are not seeing a "truth" that you are the absolute bringer of,or you don't see their reasoning and won't accept it, therefore it's wrong. Then you graciously and condescendingly state you don't mean to insult or anger anyone, that's just the way it is. Oddly enough I do believe you when you say you don't do this intentionally. A lot of times you say valuable things, that wind up being discounted by how you say them. Think a little more before you hit that send button.


Thank you Brenda. I will take your advice. I strive to be more diplomatic and like-able.

I'm much more abrasive on forums...I do not mean to be...hmmm...perhaps it's the German in me. :)
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11-13-2007 12:00
From: Sally Silvera
Michael, I answered your question, twice. You subsequently proceed to express yourself in rather unfortunate ways. Like I said if you don't like the answer, perhaps you need to ask another question, or phrase it differently.
I don't play games, I try to answer questions and help people. That is what this forum is for after all. :)
I try to be helpful and friendly and am not going to let myself be dragged into these debates from now on.
Have fun :) I'm out of here.


No you didn't answer my question...you simply didn't. I'm not trying to start trouble, I'm simply stating that in both cases you're dodging the issue.

Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean I don't like you, or am trying to be rude.

Why would I say, 'you're right' just to end it. I'm not that kind of person.

Personal choice is technically an answer...ask any politician.
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11-13-2007 12:00
From: Michael Bigwig
This was an answer: take note. :) I love you all.

Yes. The answer that probably expalins the objections. And Ceera was good enough to explain it. But as far as I'm concerned, "The Dodge" is all anyone who questions is entitled to. it no one's business why you choose to do, or not do something.
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Michael Bigwig
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11-13-2007 12:05
From: Brenda Connolly
Yes. The answer that probably expalins the objections. And Ceera was good enough to explain it. But as far as I'm concerned, "The Dodge" is all anyone who questions is entitled to. it no one's business why you choose to do, or not do something.


Yes it's a free world we live in Brenda--but this does not make an apple an orange. The conversational term 'dodge' is very well-known...and not a single person savvy to the word would disagree with me calling it out.

I'm sorry you guys get red-eared when I call you out...that's who I am. Personally, I love people who question things and won't accept an obvious 'throw away' answer.

I love to egg people on (in the good sense most of the time), and get real answers out of them. There is nothing wrong with that...trust me, you will all benefit from this style of interaction. Professors do it. Directors do it. Parents do it.

Don't just sit there...dance.
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11-13-2007 12:11
From: Michael Bigwig
Don't just sit there...dance.

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11-13-2007 12:16
From: Ordinal Malaprop
I'm not your monkey.


You're not? I thought you said you would be...
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Chas Connolly
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11-13-2007 12:21
From: Michael Bigwig
Yes it's a free world we live in Brenda--but this does not make an apple an orange. The conversational term 'dodge' is very well-known...and not a single person savvy to the word would disagree with me calling it out.

I'm sorry you guys get red-eared when I call you out...that's who I am. Personally, I love people who question things and won't accept an obvious 'throw away' answer.

I love to egg people on (in the good sense most of the time), and get real answers out of them. There is nothing wrong with that...trust me, you will all benefit from this style of interaction. Professors do it. Directors do it. Parents do it.

Don't just sit there...dance.


I promised myself, but ...

You are one big dodge, Michael. You dodge self-doubt. You never question your own rightness.

But I really wonder what you are really dodging.

You have deliberately attacked - for no reason other than your own self-righteousness and pomposity - some of the best people I know in SL. People who have a very positive impact on those around them, and not just close friends.

You really should ask yourself: what positive impact do I have on this world? Who do I make happier, or feel valued and respected for who they are?

Empathy - not sentience - was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, evolutionary leap for mankind and may ultimately prove to be what makes us truly unique.

Not glibness.

As I said, have fun being you. I personally wouldn't like it.
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11-13-2007 12:28
Could we please steer the thread back to the original topic? :(

The new search capability deserves discussion, of both its good points and bad.
Darien Caldwell
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11-13-2007 12:28
SOOOOOOOOO....


Nifty Search, eh? :p








Glad everyone is enjoying their explorations of it.....

I myself found where someone had quoted one of my forum posts in their profile, something which apparently they liked and inspired them. It gave me rather warm fuzzy feelings. You never know who may be reading your posts, and how those posts will affect them. Makes you think... Doesn't it?
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11-13-2007 12:39
From: Michael Bigwig
Hi Solanghe,

I think people should respect the fact that I called out an obvious 'dodge.' There isn't a single politician, psychiatrist, or parent that wouldn't agree. If you guys want to just keep repeating 'it was an answer, it was an answer' then fine...but we all know it's not.


What a stinking load of unbelievable bull. Your conceit knows no bounds. How you can live with yourself, I'll never know.

I actually start avoiding the forums during those periods when I see your droppings all over them.
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11-13-2007 12:56
From: Chas Connolly
I promised myself, but ...

You are one big dodge, Michael. You dodge self-doubt. You never question your own rightness.

But I really wonder what you are really dodging.

You have deliberately attacked - for no reason other than your own self-righteousness and pomposity - some of the best people I know in SL. People who have a very positive impact on those around them, and not just close friends.

You really should ask yourself: what positive impact do I have on this world? Who do I make happier, or feel valued and respected for who they are?

Empathy - not sentience - was one of the greatest, if not the greatest, evolutionary leap for mankind and may ultimately prove to be what makes us truly unique.

Not glibness.
And
As I said, have fun being you. I personally wouldn't like it.


And you've never insulted or attached anybody? This is just plain silly. I feel I'm surrounded by people who function differently than I do...and there is no compromise.

I'm very open-minded, and I'll be the first to accept an opinion, an idea, or a rationalization if it is intelligent and insightful. I will not sit idly-by and accept an obviously bogus comment--this is my personal choice. I'm not some troll running around causing fires...I have a lot to say, and many of you are so full of hypocrisy while you flame, bash, insult, patronize and condescend to me.

At least I admit I have weakness, and need to better certain aspects of myself--all the time I've been coming to these forums, I've not seen one single person admit to a fault...not once.

And you wonder why I have such a hard time here...
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11-13-2007 12:58
From: Avion Raymaker
What a stinking load of unbelievable bull. Your conceit knows no bounds. How you can live with yourself, I'll never know.

I actually start avoiding the forums during those periods when I see your droppings all over them.


What? OH come on...

What you quoted bears no conceit (you may want to look that word up)...I'm making a statement--one based on previous learning and experience...what the heck is wrong with that? Stop being so thin-skinned, and relax a little.

Sheesh.

Also, keep in mind...all of you...when you bang on the cage, you'll most certainly rowel up the sleeping bear...don't act surprised.

You all want me to act respectful and diplomatic--but the majority of you who reply to me don't give me bit of either. So why can't you see the problem there?

I'm sure you'll have a stabbing answer for me...
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Solanghe Sarlo
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11-13-2007 13:04
From: Michael Bigwig
Thank you Brenda. I will take your advice. I strive to be more diplomatic and like-able.

I'm much more abrasive on forums...I do not mean to be...hmmm...perhaps it's the German in me. :)



Hey nah, you don't get to use that...I'm part German and I'm a sweetie 'pie'. (no pun intended).

[Orig post by Brenda Connelly]: "I sometimes agreed that people used you as a lightning rod, amything you said would be contested just because you said it . But, you do approach everyone who doesn't see things your waythe same way. They are automatically placed on the defensive either because: they don't understand your points, are either shortsighted or read too much into it, or they are not seeing a "truth" that you are the absolute bringer of,or you don't see their reasoning and won't accept it, therefore it's wrong. Then you graciously and condescendingly state you don't mean to insult or anger anyone, that's just the way it is. Oddly enough I do believe you when you say you don't do this intentionally. A lot of times you say valuable things, that wind up being discounted by how you say them".[end quote]


~Michael I have to say I agree with Brenda here. I lurked for a long time before starting to post and I think [some] people do jump the gun and automatically discount what you are trying to say because your posts tend to sound very condescending and "my way is right and those who don't agree are morons"...etc.

I have thought that in the past and have avoided posting in response to you directly because of it. I often agree somewhat with the point you're making. But the way you express that point is often very off-putting. Even to me - and believe me when I tell you; at this point in my life, not much offends me anymore.

Anyway, not bashin ya - just my 2cents. :)
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11-13-2007 13:06
Whether you guys want to believe it or not...I'm a nice guy who wants to get along.

Perhaps you should look in the mirror--the way you treat me...is it friendly? Am I the only one to blame? Yes, I need to cool my jets from time to time...I'm aware of this...but realize that it's very hard to get along when many of you jump at the chance to bash me.

I don't think it's fair really.

Most importantly...I want to get better at how I phrase things. I'm working on this, I promise. Forgive me for the times I blatantly give-in to temptation...
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11-13-2007 13:08
From: Michael Bigwig
Most importantly...I want to get better at how I phrase things. I'm working on this, I promise. Forgive me for the times I blatantly give-in to temptation...



Yay! :D *hugs Michael and offers a tasty cookie*
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11-13-2007 13:10
From: Solanghe Sarlo
Hey nah, you don't get to use that...I'm part German and I'm a sweetie 'pie'. (no pun intended).

[Orig post by Brenda Connelly]: "I sometimes agreed that people used you as a lightning rod, amything you said would be contested just because you said it . But, you do approach everyone who doesn't see things your waythe same way. They are automatically placed on the defensive either because: they don't understand your points, are either shortsighted or read too much into it, or they are not seeing a "truth" that you are the absolute bringer of,or you don't see their reasoning and won't accept it, therefore it's wrong. Then you graciously and condescendingly state you don't mean to insult or anger anyone, that's just the way it is. Oddly enough I do believe you when you say you don't do this intentionally. A lot of times you say valuable things, that wind up being discounted by how you say them".[end quote]


~Michael I have to say I agree with Brenda here. I lurked for a long time before starting to post and I think [some] people do jump the gun and automatically discount what you are trying to say because your posts tend to sound very condescending and "my way is right and those who don't agree are morons"...etc.

I have thought that in the past and have avoided posting in response to you directly because of it. I often agree somewhat with the point you're making. But the way you express that point is often very off-putting. Even to me - and believe me when I tell you; at this point in my life, not much offends me anymore.

Anyway, not bashin ya - just my 2cents. :)


Notice the focus. Where's the focus: ME! Michael Bigwig! I'm the focus....

Well stop it darnit...can't [you] open your minds? There are a handful of people on this forum that are rude, patronizing, immature, nasty and belligerent...

Why am I the only one to be accused of such things? Why why why? Can't you see that's what frustrates me. I'm the only (relatively speaking) resident here that gets no rest...I'm sought after...people lay-in-wait to be rude to me...and when THEY are rude and abrasive, nary a word is said...

Now ask yourselves...is that fair, or is that favoritism?
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11-13-2007 13:19
From: Michael Bigwig


Now ask yourselves...is that fair, or is that favoritism?


You're confrontational (so am I :p). However when someone answers you with a "just because" you don't accept it, you tell them they haven't answered.

Maybe it would have been better if you had replied with your reasons why you don't object instead of telling them they weren't answering you.
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11-13-2007 13:27
From: Michael Bigwig
Notice the focus. Where's the focus: ME! Michael Bigwig! I'm the focus....

Well stop it darnit...can't [you] open your minds? There are a handful of people on this forum that are rude, patronizing, immature, nasty and belligerent...

Why am I the only one to be accused of such things? Why why why? Can't you see that's what frustrates me. I'm the only (relatively speaking) resident here that gets no rest...I'm sought after...people lay-in-wait to be rude to me...and when THEY are rude and abrasive, nary a word is said...

Now ask yourselves...is that fair, or is that favoritism?


You are the biggest drama queen on the second life forums.
Michael Bigwig
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11-13-2007 13:29
From: Ciaran Laval
You're confrontational (so am I :p). However when someone answers you with a "just because" you don't accept it, you tell them they haven't answered.

Maybe it would have been better if you had replied with your reasons why you don't object instead of telling them they weren't answering you.


I don't hate my professor when he prods an answer from me. I don't hate my director when he pokes a performance out of me...

They (we) don't do it to cause trouble--[we] do it because we enjoy making people think. I do it because I love making people think...question...and re-think. Please believe that is my general frame-of-mind. Yes I admit to being abrasive at times...

But sometimes we learn to respect the greater-person and their ideas, and not despise their lack of diplomacy.

Again...I'm working on it. But understand I mean well...

I don't think it's a bad thing that I don't accept 'dodgy' or 'throw-away' answers...I think that's a positive attribute (the way I say it is what I need work on).
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11-13-2007 13:33
From: Colette Meiji
You are the biggest drama queen on the second life forums.


That is a mean thing to say...and is my point. No one would EVER stand up to you and say, 'Hey Colette...now that's not nice, nor does it help our cause...'

You guys have free reign over me...you can say what you want without repercussion from your peers...me on the other hand, I get all the flack.

I can be a little too dramatic yes...but at least I admit my faults. I will stand firm with my beliefs...regardless the fodder.

Does it feel good to insult me?
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11-13-2007 13:33
One more try...

TO ALL THOSE FIGHTING A PERSONAL DISPUTE: STOP IT!!!

The topic of this thread is relevant to ALL OF US. It is worth discussing, and many of us would like to discuss it.

This is not the place for your personal arguments. I am begging you, please take them elsewhere.
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