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Johan Laurasia
Fully Rezzed
Join date: 31 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,394
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09-09-2007 01:41
I never buy land from her, and I'll never buy her $10L crap either. She's already too powerful in SL, and from what I've read, she's ruthless and unethical in her business practices. Personally I wouldnt really sweat it, I'm sure when people realize her $10L crap doesnt look like the vendor pic, it won't sell. (I'm guessing that'll be her M.O.) Someone needs to cut her down to size, she holds enough land and L's to sink SL overnight.
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Alexa Susanto
Registered User
Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 232
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09-09-2007 02:06
Voodoo, to suggest creators should lower the prices of their items to 10L is beyond ludicrous. It's an insult to the creators. especially the very good ones.
I can't really say what I feel about this woman or would be banned from the forums. Suffice to say I think SL would be a far better place without this money grabbing, greedy, unprincipled person. |
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Sally Silvera
live music maniac
Join date: 17 Feb 2007
Posts: 2,325
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09-09-2007 02:43
Explore...have fun and if you see something that you like buy it and support all the creators in SL. Consider your L$ a way to tell the creator you like what they did. Very well said! I think btw that that is exactly what happens anyway. I've stumbled upon some of my favourite things by hopping around, exploring, etc. I think for most people shopping is not about price, it's about finding the right thing. I also firmly believe that creators who make good quality stuff and provide customer service (!!!) will continue to sell well. I must admit to finding some of the top designers' clothes for instance a bit pricey, but at the same time, I fully appreciate the time, effort and creativity put into a good quality design. Suggesting that they should lower their prices sounds like nonsense to me. Surely no-one is going to object paying good money for a good design that has taken hours to create. |
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
Join date: 4 Oct 2006
Posts: 911
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09-09-2007 02:47
Here is a little song I wrote
You might want to sing it note for note Don't worry be happy In every life we have some trouble When you worry you make it double Don't worry, be happy...... Ain't got no place to lay your head Somebody came and took your bed Don't worry, be happy The land lord say your rent is late He may have to litigate Don't worry, be happy Lood at me I am happy Don't worry, be happy Here I give you my phone number When you worry call me I make you happy Don't worry, be happy Ain't got no cash, ain't got no style Ain't got not girl to make you smile But don't worry be happy Cause when you worry Your face will frown And that will bring everybody down So don't worry, be happy (now)..... There is this little song I wrote I hope you learn it note for note Like good little children Don't worry, be happy Listen to what I say In your life expect some trouble But when you worry You make it double Don't worry, be happy...... Don't worry don't do it, be happy Put a smile on your face Don't bring everybody down like this Don't worry, it will soon past Whatever it is Don't worry, be happy Here is the video to get you in the spirit and to sing along.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCGeD5P9MH0 _____________________
VooDoo DESIGNS www.voodoodesignsllc.com
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Rock Ryder
Registered User
Join date: 6 Oct 2006
Posts: 384
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09-09-2007 02:56
L$10 items, even L$1 and L$0 items have been around for a long time. Just go to Yadnis, or the Freebie Warehouse.
Everyone knows that if your resources are scarce you can get reasonable quality items cheap or for free in SL, and if you want real quality you pay the going rate. I have not seen anything at all on the original L$10 part of the SLExchange site that I would personally have paid MORE than L$10 for. The effect of Anshe´s L$10 offerings has been blown out of all proportion, and i think the effect on quality creators will be nil. As a friend and neighbour of Anshe´s in RL I am amazed at the level of negative criticism of Anshe in the forums. She is one of the nicest persons you would ever want to meet in RL, has created work for a great many people, both in SL and in RL (and she has a strong presence now in other virtual worlds too), and has gone from being an English teacher in a foreign country, earning very little, to being a very successful businesswoman, in a relatively short space of time, through sheer hard work, but while being as lovely natured as ever. My 2 cents Rock Ryder |
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
Join date: 4 Oct 2006
Posts: 911
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09-09-2007 02:58
L$10 items, even L$1 and L$0 items have been around for a long time. Just go to Yadnis, or the Freebie Warehouse. Everyone knows that if your resources are scarce you can get reasonable quality items cheap or for free in SL, and if you want real quality you pay the going rate. I have not seen anything at all on the original L$10 part of the SLExchange site that I would personally have paid MORE than L$10 for. The effect of Anshe´s L$10 offerings has been blown out of all proportion, and i think the effect on quality creators will be nil. As a friend and neighbour of Anshe´s in RL I am amazed at the level of negative criticism of Anshe in the forums. She is one of the nicest persons you would ever want to meet in RL, has created work for a great many people, both in SL and in RL (and she has a strong presence now in other virtual worlds too), and has gone from being an English teacher in a foreign country, earning very little, to being a very successful businesswoman, in a relatively short space of time, through sheer hard work, but while being as lovely natured as ever. My 2 cents Rock Ryder Well said. Nothing was given to her, she earned it through hard work. _____________________
VooDoo DESIGNS www.voodoodesignsllc.com
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
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09-09-2007 03:02
1. canimal.
2. gurl6 hairs. 3. ace's prefabs. _____________________
SLU - ban em then bash em!
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
Posts: 3,373
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09-09-2007 03:12
yeah, but ive heard dreadful stories about past antics that make me ill. these stories have been relayed by credible people that have been in sl since day 1, and have not only seen her dealings, but dealt with her directly over the years.
i find it very difficult to dismiss their assessments and experiences. its also hard to realistically compare scattered unrelated people's freebies with the products of a concerted team of in-house designers aping ikea catalogues and whatnot, being promoted over every search and classified, over the biggest 3rd party marketplace (slx), and the biggest private estate (dreamland). L$10 items, even L$1 and L$0 items have been around for a long time. Just go to Yadnis, or the Freebie Warehouse. Everyone knows that if your resources are scarce you can get reasonable quality items cheap or for free in SL, and if you want real quality you pay the going rate. I have not seen anything at all on the original L$10 part of the SLExchange site that I would personally have paid MORE than L$10 for. The effect of Anshe´s L$10 offerings has been blown out of all proportion, and i think the effect on quality creators will be nil. As a friend and neighbour of Anshe´s in RL I am amazed at the level of negative criticism of Anshe in the forums. She is one of the nicest persons you would ever want to meet in RL, has created work for a great many people, both in SL and in RL (and she has a strong presence now in other virtual worlds too), and has gone from being an English teacher in a foreign country, earning very little, to being a very successful businesswoman, in a relatively short space of time, through sheer hard work, but while being as lovely natured as ever. My 2 cents Rock Ryder _____________________
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Ricardo Harris
Registered User
Join date: 1 Apr 2006
Posts: 1,944
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09-09-2007 03:26
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
Join date: 4 Oct 2006
Posts: 911
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09-09-2007 03:29
The problem I have with all this is that it sounds way more like jealousy then anything. I know thats going to get me flamed big time but the truth is the truth. I give the woman credit.. She started with nothing like everyone else and built a empire. Nothing wrong with that at all, she was in the right place at the right time just like Bill Gates of Microsoft and alot of other major companies. I could see it if she was doing something like using copy bots or ripping people or something like that but this woman has done nothing except work hard and earn what she has. I can't knock the woman or anyone else for that and I won't. Say what you will shes doing something right look where she has taken herself. I don't know too many other SL people who have been on the cover of Forbes magazine.
And now people want to try and control her prices? Who made them god? If shes creating the items then she can sell them for what ever she wants too. It's her business. I will say one thing... I was not really thrilled with the whole 10L things either because it will hurt some however thats business here and in the real world and there is nothing wrong with having a good business plan. Now I am more for the 10L thing then ever. I have come to see that one good thing about this is it will force creators to make better quality stuff including myself in order to get the kind of money you want which is a good thing in the long run for everybody. _____________________
VooDoo DESIGNS www.voodoodesignsllc.com
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Samm Submariner
Registered User
Join date: 24 Jan 2007
Posts: 37
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09-09-2007 03:51
The problem I have with all this is that it sounds way more like jealousy then anything. My tuppence worth - one of the attractive things about SL is that craftspeople (craftsmen, craftswomen etc.) can flourish. Many creators in SL do it because they enjoy creating - not because they wish to make money. Hence some give their creations away, many sell creations and time at well below the RL value of their time, normally just to cover their SL costs. Some find they make a small profit but that is often a bonus. This is the norm because SL is a fairly small and young economy not yet blighted by the mass market, mass production ethos. Hence, whenever there is a threat of the mass market/mass production ethos creeping in, people worry that it will upset the balance within SL. Hence the antogonism against land flippers etc. as opposed to land resellers who add value (either in a personalised service or by landscaping the land first). This latest venture, sounds like the products are not being produced by craftspeople doing this because they enjoy creating things in SL, but by a factory of workers who may not even know much about SL itself but are just doing it for the money - I may be wrong about that but this is the impression I'm getting from the comments being made in the forums. That is the real root of the antagonism - no one has any problem with a craftsperson creating because they enjoy it and then selling stuff that she/he makes at any price L$0 - L$100,000) nor that person becoming a lindonnaire - but when that person runs a factory just to make money, then people get anxious. |
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Denise Bonetto
Registered User
Join date: 31 Jan 2007
Posts: 705
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09-09-2007 03:57
L$10 items, even L$1 and L$0 items have been around for a long time. Just go to Yadnis, or the Freebie Warehouse. Everyone knows that if your resources are scarce you can get reasonable quality items cheap or for free in SL, and if you want real quality you pay the going rate. I have not seen anything at all on the original L$10 part of the SLExchange site that I would personally have paid MORE than L$10 for. The effect of Anshe´s L$10 offerings has been blown out of all proportion, and i think the effect on quality creators will be nil. As a friend and neighbour of Anshe´s in RL I am amazed at the level of negative criticism of Anshe in the forums. She is one of the nicest persons you would ever want to meet in RL, has created work for a great many people, both in SL and in RL (and she has a strong presence now in other virtual worlds too), and has gone from being an English teacher in a foreign country, earning very little, to being a very successful businesswoman, in a relatively short space of time, through sheer hard work, but while being as lovely natured as ever. My 2 cents Rock Ryder I don't think what AC is planning is comparable to the freebies out there. She is actually opening a factory to employ 50-100 (her figures) people to make items full time in an effort to apparently lower the market prices and alter the economy. The plan is to make top end products for 10L, I would assume when employing these full time people they are picked on their artistic abilities. That many people will have many different talents and styles, so of course a threat to all the other content creators. Furniture is the first stop, then moving on to other popular items. Will she make a profit with 10L items with wages to pay and business overheads? I very much doubt it to start with, but what about the long term plan? What happens when a high percentage of business' fail due to drop in sales as the majority don't have huge profits to sustain a drop in sales in an already fragile economy? Does ACS then raise their prices to a normal level dominating the marketplace? Nobody can compete with 10L prices taking into account tier/rent costs, advertising and purchases required. ACS are using Craig Altman poses, those cost 1000L to buy for creators and 150L each for no transfer. These poses are being used for 10L furniture, I wonder if the poses have been purchased for each of her creators or just one of each purchased and passed down the line? The average creator would need to sell 100 items to just make back they cost of one pose if they sold at 10L, even if they didn't have land and advertising costs. Will she really be helping the economy like she says? Surely people need land before furniture, this is the highest cost in SL, not just one off costs, but monthly as well. If you can afford the land, you can afford the furniture prices out there. I doubt very much she will be lowering the price of her land, in fact hasn't she just done a tier increase to all those who have purchased it off her? _____________________
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2k Suisei
Registered User
Join date: 9 Nov 2006
Posts: 2,150
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09-09-2007 04:40
Anshe is still going to be paying people to make the content. Just because it's not your favorite content creator doesn't mean she's evil.
Maybe what she's about to do is add a little balance to the planet. So all us fat assed westeners better get working, because some poor and hard working chinese people are about to be educated to the ways of Second Life. Work it!!  |
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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09-09-2007 04:50
And now people want to try and control her prices? Who made them god? If shes creating the items then she can sell them for what ever she wants too. It's her business. I will say one thing... I was not really thrilled with the whole 10L things either because it will hurt some however thats business here and in the real world and there is nothing wrong with having a good business plan. You seem to have picked up the wrong side of the coin, Anshe has said that she wants to control prices and the question is, who made her god? She was talking about the prices in something called IMVU, whatever that is and she thinks SL prices should be similar. |
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
Join date: 11 Mar 2007
Posts: 7,951
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09-09-2007 04:51
Well I'd certainly miss Corbantis Priestman and her -UK- Couture range considering it's part of my business plan
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VooDoo Bamboo
www.voodoodesignsllc.com
Join date: 4 Oct 2006
Posts: 911
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09-09-2007 04:56
You seem to have picked up the wrong side of the coin, Anshe has said that she wants to control prices and the question is, who made her god? She was talking about the prices in something called IMVU, whatever that is and she thinks SL prices should be similar. No matter what she says the point remains the same.. Have you ever been told "make a better mouse trap" Another words if your product is better quality then no matter what she does you will still be fine. If anything its going to force people to make better products in the end. _____________________
VooDoo DESIGNS www.voodoodesignsllc.com
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Sae Luan
Hardcore 4the Headstrong
Join date: 6 Feb 2006
Posts: 841
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09-09-2007 05:13
You seem to have picked up the wrong side of the coin, Anshe has said that she wants to control prices and the question is, who made her god? She was talking about the prices in something called IMVU, whatever that is and she thinks SL prices should be similar.  Anshe is not even good enough to be a hair on God's head.  It's amusing to see her try though.I think bottom line is Anshe's head got too big. There are a hell of alot more people that disagree with her than agree with her I'm sure. How hard would it be to just start letting people know Anshe's true side. You can be assured I'll never ever get land through her if for some reason I'm on the market again. To the OP Artilleri Canimal Kin Aitui Nicky Ree Open Call Civvies ETD ..and there's many more, but something tells me no one on the list I named is gonna just fold without a huge fight. These designers are all high quality and really have nothing to fear with a bit of competition. Anshe would be extremely lucky if her lil "team" ever got better than the level these guys are currently at. _____________________
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Jessica Elytis
Goddess
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
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09-09-2007 05:15
I don't think what AC is planning is comparable to the freebies out there. She is actually opening a factory to employ 50-100 (her figures) people to make items full time in an effort to apparently lower the market prices and alter the economy. The plan is to make top end products for 10L, I would assume when employing these full time people they are picked on their artistic abilities. That many people will have many different talents and styles, so of course a threat to all the other content creators. Yeah, and the QUALITY of the work of those 50-100 employees will be sub-standard compared to the "Masters" of SL. Go look at some of the workof those listed. Ace's, Gurl6, Canimal, Exotica, etc etc. These people have been doing the work for YEARS and are not run of the mill creators. These are Craftmasters. The creame of their fields. No one...let me repeat that...No one is going to compare to them in a few weeks/months if ever. I'm going to pull one name at random. Ace's prefabs. The technical building involved in the builds can be duplicated. Quite easily actually. But the imagination? The attention to detail? The ability to know what sells and what customers want? Hardly. This new 10L$ system will sell to those that it's marketed for. ie those newbies who have not established themselves in SL yet and do not have the spare L$ to spend on the truely well made products. AC is stepping into a void in the market. There are freebies, and there are high-end products. What's in the middle? Nothing....yet. This will take a few sales from the high-end creators. Those sales where the people were saving and saving and saving to buy such products. However, I see it also increasing the sales of high-end products. Once the middle market is filled, then it provides another step to use to reach the high-end market. Right now the jump is from free to high-end. So I see this as a benifit to the Mastercrafters of SL, not a deterant. What effect will it have on the economy in the long run? *shrugs* Guess we'll see. I think it will be better over all, but everything will depend on the exicution and response. ~Jessy _____________________
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Lucian Halasy
Registered User
Join date: 2 May 2007
Posts: 21
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09-09-2007 05:29
The problem I have with all this is that it sounds way more like jealousy then anything. I know thats going to get me flamed big time but the truth is the truth... "A troll's main goal is usually to arouse anger and frustration among the message board's other participants, and will write whatever it takes to achieve this end. One popular trolling strategy is the practice of Winning by Losing. While the victim is trying to put forward solid and convincing facts to prove his position, the troll's only goal is to infuriate its prey. The troll takes (what it knows to be) a badly flawed, wholly illogical argument, and then vigorously defends it while mocking and insulting its prey. The troll looks like a complete fool, but this is all part of the plan. The victim becomes noticeably angry by trying to repeatedly explain the flaws of the troll's argument. Provoking this anger was the troll's one and only goal from the very beginning." i'm thankful for the ignore option on these boards, bye bye VooDoo. PS: i would miss those creators: Shai Delacroix - Casa Del Shai Funk Schnook - FNKY! hiko Nino - Happy Dispatch Zabitan Assia - :FORM: Donovan Brennen - [Gearshift] Kaejo DaSilva - [Renegade] Truth Hawks - TRUTH Barnesworth Anubis [BAPFH] Krius Misfit - SiniStyle Keishii Roo - G0th1c0 Craig Altman - Bits and Bobs Lost Thereian - Influence Hair Caitlin Benton - creator of real quality stuff Riann Maltese - deviant Ishtara Rothschild - Dark Delights and many more i can't think of right now.. PS: i'm usually a calm, helpful and reasonable person. but in case of Anshe... i wouldn't even cross the street to piss on her head if it was on fire. |
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Denise Bonetto
Registered User
Join date: 31 Jan 2007
Posts: 705
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09-09-2007 05:32
This new 10L$ system will sell to those that it's marketed for. ie those newbies who have not established themselves in SL yet and do not have the spare L$ to spend on the truely well made products. AC is stepping into a void in the market. There are freebies, and there are high-end products. What's in the middle? Nothing....yet. The idea behind the scheme isn't to market to newbies with lower quality items though, it's to actually bring down the overall prices in SL, effect the economy. I would also say there are middle products in SL, with the number of creators at the moment, there are all levels, though ACS would like to take out a huge number: Quote from AC: Thanks for pointing out the permission problem on some of the poses. We immediately pulled all products off the catalog to reinspect permissions on nested objects. I feel really awkward about this. All our artists work in a new fully air-conditioned studio in a class A office building and environment according to German workplace standards. They receive clearly above market compensation and full benefits and insurance package. Some of them already afforded to purchase their own apartment. At ACS we have regulated working hours and file regular tax reports contributing to the general society and social systems of the country we are located in In IMVU the average margin of content creators for items they sell is about 10-15 L$, while in Second Life content prices are still at almost the same levels as 3 years ago when the population was only a fraction of what it is now. We think this is one reason why IMVU is growing much faster than Second Life now. Therefore we decided to make Second Life more competitive and more accessible to players by providing high quality products at prices that allow Second Life to remain competitive in the long run. Our plan for the end of this year is to have between 50 and 100 internal designers and scripters working on 10 LINDENS, plus a network of local partners we are currently training here. We plan to create a full range catalog of decent SL content. I think this is definitely good news for the content creator community of SL, much the same way ACS entering the IMVU content market helped the content creator community as a whole to grow their business. In IMVU, the increased internal competition and improved quality of the product catalog greatly accelerated growth of the platform and market as whole. Many content creators reacted by strengthening their brand's focus and focusing on more complex / high end products, actually increasing their sales in the long run. I hope we can recreate part of this success in Second Life in the coming months and all benefit from economic growth again, after the stagnation of the economy here in August How many creators can survive selling for 10L which Anshe thinks should be the going price for SL items? Land and tier costs wont go down to support that price. Are you saying that only the 'Masters' of SL and ACS should survive? So much for it being a marketplace for everyone. _____________________
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Alexa Susanto
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Join date: 3 May 2007
Posts: 232
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09-09-2007 05:37
How can you admire someone who started their land baroning by buying new resident's first land for a pittance, and then they were unable to buy more land? I shall never buy anything from her.
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Pratyeka Muromachi
Meditating Avatar
Join date: 14 Apr 2005
Posts: 642
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09-09-2007 05:46
Duh! There's a new concept in SL, it's called "Build your own stuff". Just use the Build feature in your viewer.
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Denise Bonetto
Registered User
Join date: 31 Jan 2007
Posts: 705
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09-09-2007 05:56
Duh! There's a new concept in SL, it's called "Build your own stuff". Just use the Build feature in your viewer. Not sure how that answered anything, but what would the results be if everyone did that? No shops or creators and a pretty dead economy. What about those that can't build? Not everyone owns or can work graphics software either. I do build and have a large shop, but I still buy from other creators. Everyone has their own style and I spend a lot of time in my shop and studio looking at mine, it's nice to go and have others work in my home. If no shops, what about land sales? What percentage of land is used for business? How many would drop land if they weren't making profits on selling? If I had to make my own clothes, hair etc, I wouldn't go out in public much! _____________________
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Jessica Elytis
Goddess
Join date: 7 Oct 2005
Posts: 1,783
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09-09-2007 05:58
Well, honestly, the IMVU platform sucks LOL
If AC wants to parrot that, she can go ahead. Truthfully, I see this falling on it's face *Shrugs* She may pull in enough to pay all those "artists", but if their worth anything as crafters, I doubt it'll be worthwhile. I may be wrong. I have been before, and will again, but even AC can make a poor decision ^.~ Really, if LL would want to "fix" the SL economy, teh best thing they could do is completly tick of AC. That is to take all land sales to only be to and from LL. That is, land can only be sold from Residents to LL, and can only be bought from LL. As land is the biggest driver of the economy, LL could then adjust land prices according to market and economy demand. As they don't pay teir to themselves, there's no overhead either. However, there would be a scream from AC you'd hear in the Midwest USA if they did that ROFL. ~Jessy _____________________
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Ceera Murakami
Texture Artist / Builder
Join date: 9 Sep 2005
Posts: 7,750
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09-09-2007 06:25
The content creators that I would miss the most all put a level of quality and effort into their work that can't possibly be matched by any roomfull of staff artists being paid minimal wages to crank out cheap crap as fast as they can, to be sold at below the market rate. Content creators who do quality work can and will ignore this.
If MS C wants to own the slime in the bottom of the barrel, she is welcome to it, along with all the negative publiicity that she is generating. There is an old term for what she is trying. It comes from the meat packing industry, and is called "stinking out the competition". The idea is to flood a small market with below-cost goods, at prices no sane butcher could compete with, until the opposition's meat is rotting on their shelves, and they are forced out of business. Then you move in, and jack the prices back up to where they were, or higher, having forced a small-timer competitor out of that market space. It's considered an unethical practice in most civilized countries, and is outright illegal in many of them. The simplest response is to refuse to buy from that merchant. Don't but her cheap crap, don't buy or rent on her land. _____________________
Sorry, LL won't let me tell you where I sell my textures and where I offer my services as a sim builder. Ask me in-world.
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