Child Avatar size/shape

Yeah, that DOES sound rather preposterous. However, most of the child AVs I've encountered generally stay well clear of adult activities, so that should almost never happen. If it does, well, just boot the twerp off the sim.

Because you want to visit them? You asked why someone would want to visit Ursula... not what's a sufficiently important reason that they should be allowed to. That want to visit a friend, that's all the reason they need.

That's not "my avatar". I don't have to use them, any more than you have to use the free Pokemon avatars you can get at Yadni's Junkyard.

If your drivers are too old, you won't be able to play Second Life. Setting the "adult" flag is no more ethically or morally meaningful than installing up-to-date drivers so you can get into SL in the first place. You can choose to assign meaning to that, but that's something you're doing in your head, it's not something inherent in the fact that you choose to set the flag.
My answer is, that's not the question Rhaorth asked.

Oh, to be so young. I have a son who's older than Silverdown.

My answer is, that's not the question Rhaorth asked.

Now for some gray area. What about Koko's avatar? She's far from being a child, but, she's bloody short and mistaken for one very often. Glass as well, as an EGL clockwork doll, she appears very human in many ways but the truth is she's porcelain. (^_^)

Maybe they're far from the line. Let me draw closer. Above, you've seen Little Immy in "kid mode".... Now, let me change her to "Loli Imp" mode...



Now what? (^_^)

Would you be annoyed that she's trying to "kid up" the place? Or would you simply be jealous because she's dancing better than you? (^_^)y

She's using the 1.23 viewer in that picture. It has the Adult Content controls, but they obviously aren't working properly yet.

those of us who have decided to be child avs in SL already live under heavier rule restrictions simply because of our choice..... should 'adult avs' be banned from child av regions? get a clue, we are adults who choose to be children in SL. I have absolutely no interest in visiting Ursula.

I'm not a child av, but I was thrown out of a club for being "too short" and therefore "obviously" a child.

Given that most SL rulers report my height as 1.80m (5'11" (which is taller than my RL height), and we all know that SL rulers are about 17cm (7" short anyway since they only measure up to the centre of your head (try rezzing a cube the height reported by an SL ruler, make it phantom and walk into it if you don't believe me), my avatar is *actually* 1.97m (6'6" tall.

Using these rules, the majority of the world would be deemed to be children.

Some ethnic groups are naturally shorter than others, so I think this is sometimes a case of SL racism - anyone who dares to have an avatar that looks authentically Japanese or south-east Asian will be banned from clubs like this on the rather spurious height restriction.

Maybe it was a pun on your name.

RL comparisons aside, 5'11" is a pretty unreasonable restriction even by SL standards. Even if you're dressed like a schoolgirl, 5'11" by the bounding box is obviously not a child avatar.

Why would a child be allowed to walk the streets in a place like San Francisco, California? Have you seen how many strip clubs and adult businesses they have on major streets there? Why, within 200 feet of one of the most famous cable car attractions in SF, there is an active brothel! Clearly, the city of San Francisco should be zoned "Adult Content" by Linden Lab. Shall we run all the children out of the city now, and prohibit tourists from bringing their younger family members to see San Francisco?

I am quite certain that the Ursula continent will be one of the few viable areas of mainland left after this move is completed. The remainder of the mainland will be a wasteland of abandoned and for-sale parcels that no one wants to buy, populated mostly by griefers. I would spend time in Ursula as a child precisely BECAUSE of the restrictions that require all accounts to be validated in some way. It will be one of the only Mainland areas that is certain to be griefer-free.

True dat! XD



( Why do I have these pictures in my collection at the most opportune times? (O.o) )

The "why" is irrelevant, all that matters is you're prepared.

True dat! XD

The SL kids that I know, including several younger sibs, do not want to visit places where sex is occurring out in public, and do not want to have sex.

Let the kids go wherever they wish-- as long as the owner of the individual parcel/region/sim allows them to be there. Far too much policing going on by Linden Labs.

The whole Mature/Adult/Ursala craziness should be dumped anyways.
We all know it won't be because Adult/Ursala = more cold hard cash in the coffers of the Lindens.

Enough of the unenforceable policies.

Quite frankly I would prefer that the Lindens spend their time FIXING the myriad of things in Second Life that are BROKEN.

SpikeQ Frog

Ah yes, as for the original questions:
*This questions is to adult who are known or play a child avatar in SL*

What would happen if you were forced to be an adult avatar?
Would you stay in SL or leave?
Do you think of it as a punishment?


------>If SL kids were forced to "become adults," I believe this would create more problems. At present, the vast majority of SL adults know that SL kids are not approachable for sex. LL would do better to get rid of the "breasts" on kid avies that are currently present due to shape template restrictions.<-------

*This questions is to adult who have a problem with child avatar in SL*

If all child size avatars were forced to go adult, who would you know if they were adults in real life?
If SL was real life would you want the world to be only adults?


----->Quite frankly, I have far more problems with the idea that there are pedophiles on SL who hang out in SL kids stores looking for victims.
A long time ago, a blogging site [MySpace] thought that it would be too difficult to rid its pages of sexual offenders. Thanks to someone who cared enough to do something about it, that blogging site can screen out the predators to at least some degree. Hey Linden Labs-- how about doing the same thing?<------


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This thread needs more Immy pictures!

fair enough... ok so what would be a sufficiently important reason that a child avatar should be allowed in adult flagged land.

If wearing a pokemon avatar means I would be able to go somewhere that I wanted to go to badly enough, then I would wear it. Otherwise I would not bother, nor even mention it, because it would not be important enough for me to mention.


you can view it however you like, bottom line is, for someone to enter adult land (when the new viewer is out) they have to check that little box that says adult.
(what that means, or implies, I dunno, that is anyone's guess. *shrug*
(and well, um, duh, yeah, if someone doesn't have the capabilities to play SL on the set up they have, they need to upgrade, that is a choice they need to make, just the same as the choice to check adult, or not)
(the "meaning" to setting the flag (for me, might differ for others) would mean that I want to access adult flagged areas for whatever reason, which, at this time, I do not, so I will most likely not be checking the adult checkbox, even though I am 44, that doesn't mean I wish to access adult areas or products)

you do not, but who is to say that the child next to you on the playground is not want to, that they might be someone who wants to bend or break the rules and go to adult areas as a child avatar...

where is the line drawn? who should even draw the line?

personally IF I were in an adult area and saw a very obvious child avatar in that area, for me it would just feel and look wrong.

(for instance, last night, I saw a very child like avatar, complete with pacifier, and done with prims so as to be very small and young, in their profile, they belonged to a group that the description started as "hot steamy sex". I ask you, is that appropriate? (I dunno why they did not even hide the group)

Careful what you ask for. =^-^=

I get asked if I am a child sometimes, because my avatar is only reading at 5'2" on the scripted height thing, and I look extremely short next to other avatars.

my reply, only if 5'2" is a kid in RL, because even though I am 44 in RL, my height is 5'2", and I choose to use my RL height in SL. *shrug*
they usually do not have a reply LOL

never been to san fran...however this is not the Real World we are talking about.

I don't care if kid avatars go to ursula (I think people misunderstood my comments) I was simply asking, would they be allowed, and if not, what would stop them?

does that make more sense?

I'm surprised no one has said something like "your RL height is not relevant, 5'2" is abnormally short for an adult human avatar in SL".

Does the profile description indicate a strictly child avatar? Does it indicate variation? Or is it more generic?

While some people treat their avatar as a single personality, others change their av frequently or have several fixed shapes and sizes that they choose depending on their mood. So if a profile clearly defines the avatar as a child only, then no, it's not appropriate to be in such groups (though I also don't think it counts as a rules violation). But if the profile is either silent on the subject or indicates multiple shapes or ages, then it's fine.

And why should you? After all, you're having too much fun doing all the nasty things you do to the people on AI.

"They want to be there."

Adult flagged land doesn't mean "there is porn here".

Adult flagged land means the same thing that "Mature" land currently means. You MIGHT run into porn, IF the person who owns the land allows it. What do you think is a "sufficintly important reason" for a child avatar to be allowed on mature land right now?

I think it's "they want to go there".

In other words, even thought that avatar is available to you, you'd need an extremely strong incentive to use it. It's not something you consider "your avatar". Well, that's how I feel about the human avatars in the library. Those are not "my avatars". If someone's avatar is a child, and they want to visit a friend who has *for any reason* chosen to build on "adult flagged" land, there's no reason to deny them, or force them to wear an avatar that doesn't suit them.

It means they checked a little box that says "adult", that's all it means. It doesn't mean they're looking for porn, and it doesn't matter whether they have an avatar that represents an underage human or not.

Would you have the same reaction in a Mature sim today?

The profile discription does not even mean a thing, I met plenty of people that have notecards with profile discriptions matching their mood, it's a bit extra work but profiles can be changed just as avatars can.