Adult content on the mainland will need to move to the new continent
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Ceera Murakami
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05-05-2009 17:56
Yes. See http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4207 I posted that JIRA as soon as I read the release notes for the new server code changes. I have, personally, taken into inventory and successfully re-rezzed later over 5000 prims. The only thing "Special" you need to do with that many prims is to be patient when selecting them initially. It takes time for the client and server to properly note that you have so many prims selected at once. Give it a minute or two to stabalize, and it works fine, every time. Take the prims BEFORE the select has stabalized, and you might have trouble rezzing all or part of what you took. How do you tell? It's safe once the permissions are stable. For example, copying a 3000 prim build that should all be full-perms. The three check boxes will initially be greyed out while it counts and categorizes. When they are all in a state that would allow you to change the perms, it is safe to take the selected prims into inventory.
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Lias Leandros
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05-05-2009 22:47
From: Storyof Oh The timing is also a stroke of genius being in the summer months. There you are stuck on a beach with no broadband and the heads up comes to submit your ticket to move NOW. Why don't they allow tickets now so they have much longer to see the scale of the problem..er move...then arrange a timescale for checking out where people would like to be based on maybe 'age' of AV in SL. Also by knowing well in advance the parcel sizes required they can pencil in a layout... The nightmares of course is ending up with laggy clubs all together..or having your little shop on the Gorner next to a garrish strip joint. Also having your exciting gen sex bed store next to L$99 specials............................as you dodge the ammo in the streets from the violent content crowd..... But then this move isn't about allowing the ongoing success of adult content in SL (or as mistakenly typed in the jira adult c*ntent...(kept pg here lolll)) Tis is what I am talking about. All of Mark's talk about keeping the premium accounts and he won't even help salvage these people's investment. And where is BIG SPACESHIP? Are they lost in a black hole? They were hired to make premium account holders happy - they seem to be hiding in Brooklyn until there is a break in the chaos. I guess everyone that applied for the Community Coordinator job LL is advertising read the forums and asked for their resume back. .
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Nimbus Rau
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05-05-2009 23:15
From: Damien1 Thorne So *you're* the one that has been posting all these survey threads.  *giggle* Oh dear, I've been found out. 
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Qie Niangao
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05-06-2009 01:37
From: Ceera Murakami Yes. See http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4207 I posted that JIRA as soon as I read the release notes for the new server code changes. I have, personally, taken into inventory and successfully re-rezzed later over 5000 prims. The only thing "Special" you need to do with that many prims is to be patient when selecting them initially. It takes time for the client and server to properly note that you have so many prims selected at once. Give it a minute or two to stabalize, and it works fine, every time. Take the prims BEFORE the select has stabalized, and you might have trouble rezzing all or part of what you took. How do you tell? It's safe once the permissions are stable. For example, copying a 3000 prim build that should all be full-perms. The three check boxes will initially be greyed out while it counts and categorizes. When they are all in a state that would allow you to change the perms, it is safe to take the selected prims into inventory. That may get them *into* inventory repeatably, but getting them rezzed out in-world again is another matter. The problem is that the sim has to complete a rezzing event all at once; while it's rezzing, nothing else can change on the sim, so they've limited the duration of a single rezzing to (I think it was) 15 seconds because if it takes longer than that the sim's own network connections timeout, the sim crashes, and everything fails. Now, on a standalone private island, one can rez a lot of prims in 15 seconds as long as they're unscripted, non-physical, don't contain a lot of embedded assets, etc. But for the Ursula move, those happy conditions won't apply--and indeed many folks will be Taking no-copy items into Inventory with the coalesced object, so they'll only get one shot at rezzing them. Hmmm. Maybe that could work out as a passable compromise: any coalesced object containing items for which the owner does not have copy permission could be limited to 1000 prims, but if the object contains only copy-perm objects it could have an unlimited number of prims. (Granted, this doesn't solve the sim-crashing problem, so maybe other constraints would have to be imposed, too.)
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-06-2009 03:17
From: Lias Leandros And where is BIG SPACESHIP? Are they lost in a black hole? Given what their home page looks like, 'tis a consummation devoutly to be wished.
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Bhakta Thor
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05-06-2009 03:34
From: Qie Niangao It's going to suck, but honestly I don't see much hope of it changing.
I don't think I am going to move. I think the new place will be very laggy and probably Lindens will not approve my move. WHen they ask me to leave, I will. My husband will be very happy about that and it will save me about $200 a month in wasted funds. I need to start thinking now of my SL friends as bots, then I won't miss them. BT
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Phil Deakins
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05-06-2009 03:38
From: Bhakta Thor I don't think I am going to move. I think the new place will be very laggy and probably Lindens will not approve my move. WHen they ask me to leave, I will. My husband will be very happy about that and it will save me about $200 a month in wasted funds. I need to start thinking now of my SL friends as bots, then I won't miss them. BT I can rent you a few unemployed bots to practise on 
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Kevin Amat
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Confused about this 'adult content' and relocation malarky
05-06-2009 04:08
There appears to be a lot of uncertainty about what will have to move and what won't. Situation - we sell furniture which contains sex pose balls from a store which is on a sim deemed as 'Mature'. No sex inside the store,only the furniture to buy for people to use for sex. Are we therefore likely to be required to relocate our store and business over to Ursula?
Any ideas anybody please ??
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Elanthius Flagstaff
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05-06-2009 04:12
From: Kevin Amat There appears to be a lot of uncertainty about what will have to move and what won't. Situation - we sell furniture which contains sex pose balls from a store which is on a sim deemed as 'Mature'. No sex inside the store,only the furniture to buy for people to use for sex. Are we therefore likely to be required to relocate our store and business over to Ursula? Any ideas anybody please ?? Seems to me that if you advertise sex related words you have to move. If your store exists for the purpose of conducting adult related activities on it you will have to move. So, from my understanding, you do not have to move because you just sell furniture but you will also not be allowed to advertise that you sell sexbeds, sex animations, sex poses, sex anything else remotely adult.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-06-2009 04:32
From: Kevin Amat There appears to be a lot of uncertainty about what will have to move and what won't. Situation - we sell furniture which contains sex pose balls from a store which is on a sim deemed as 'Mature'. No sex inside the store,only the furniture to buy for people to use for sex. Are we therefore likely to be required to relocate our store and business over to Ursula?
Any ideas anybody please ?? You are correct, there is a lot of uncertainty. The policy page here: https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417&task=knowledge&questionID=6010Is not yet final, and things said by individual Linden staff conflict with each other and that policy. Try your search entry words here: http://search.secondlife.com/search.phpIt will tell you if your words are filtered. Filtered = not used in search on that web page, or in future search within the game once version 1.23 is used by the masses AND they don't have adult level checked. The filter list is not final also. (Sex is on the list by the way) It has been made clear that you are not supposed to use filtered words on less than adult land in the land title and description. It has NOT been made clear what you can do about all the other places you can use a word: Object title, or description when set to show in search Object title or description when NOT set to show in search Vendor texture Float text Local Chat emitted by objects Notecards given by objects Local chat by avatars Voice chat by avatars Group chat and notices when all group members are not verified It has not been addressed if you restrict entry to only verified/payment info avatars, does it make any difference to the above? One Linden claims having warning signs and putting items in a "back room" somehow makes it legal, but this does not seem to be a general view.
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Phil Deakins
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05-06-2009 04:47
I'm in the same boat. About 5% of the items I sell have sex animations in them, and people are able to try them out in the store. In the Linden thread here, I asked 3 times whether ot not I would be required to move because of that, but there was no reply, perhaps because they didn't know the answer at the time. The general feeling is that such places won't be required to move on account of that, but it isn't certain yet. It could even be that those places are not required to move initially but, when everything has settled down, LL may decide to target them too.
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Argent Stonecutter
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05-06-2009 05:03
From: DanielRavenNest Noe It has not been addressed if you restrict entry to only verified/payment info avatars, does it make any difference to the above?
I'm pretty sure that the answer to approximately that question, when asked, has been "no".
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Kevin Amat
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Let's all replace the word 'sex' with 'fun'
05-06-2009 05:04
ok,so why don't we all simply substitute the word 'sex' with the word 'fun' or something similar....................'funbeds', 'funballs'............hmmm,has it's drawbacks though.....'What fun are you?. Male or Female? lol. Yet another nail in the coffin of SL?
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Phil Deakins
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05-06-2009 05:15
The word "sex" is already being replaced by the word "adult" so that places will show in the website search. It seems like a good word to use for describing things like sex beds. It won't have any effect on whether or not a place has to move, but it will become known so that people search on it and find non-adult continent places that sell them.
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Kevin Amat
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05-06-2009 05:21
Yes, I've already replaced the word 'sex' with 'adult'..............bit bizarre really,there's always a way around these things fortunately. I'll wait and see if it has any bearings on our search placings  )
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Phil Deakins
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05-06-2009 05:38
It will definitely affect any rankings for searchterms that include the word "sex" - they'll be gone if all instances of "sex" were replaced, or changed if only the main instances were replaced.
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Infrared Wind
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05-06-2009 05:40
I don't understand why they don't just move kiddie land and leave the adults alone. =)
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Storyof Oh
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05-06-2009 06:58
The initial criteria for 'pornoland' was 'extreme sex' and sex bed stores were not deemed worthy of a move if they wished...Blondin has already thumbs upped the fact that customers can be expected to try out the animations....
In the past i had a store on PG and sent a ticket asking if ok....and apparently it was....(slapped wrist later for using a rezzer tho....not a 3some..................arghhh)
HOWEVER once definitions came out the goal posts moved plus the word filtering fiasco. If a store sells mainly sex items with sex animations in public how CAN it be allowed to stay in mature if the endgame is moving public sexual activity? If allowed to stay then all the unverified free sex club clients will move to the closest store..or 'clubs' pose as giant bed and anim stores...
All the label changing in the world wont solve the dilemma. You sell adult items...where will your customers be that have cash/means to pay?....in new adult land...
Where will they shop for the 'best' i.e. dirtiest anims? adult land.....
Best make a strong case to be free moved and maintain a 'feeder' store in mature with non working examples, a script demo room in private, as many examples of furniture styles as prims allow with ordering abilities and copious land marks to your adult store.
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Phil Deakins
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05-06-2009 07:09
From: Storyof Oh Best make a strong case to be free moved A strong case? heh. There's no way I'm going to move the store, or any part of it. If they say it can't stay where it is now, a strong case wouldn't be needed, anyway. From: Storyof Oh Where will they shop for the 'best' i.e. dirtiest anims? adult land.....
And that's one of the reason why I won't be moving anything over there. Who are "they"? They will be people who are in less than half of the population.
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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05-06-2009 07:23
From: Infrared Wind I don't understand why they don't just move kiddie land and leave the adults alone. =) We repeatedly asked for a PG continent and were told "its not part of the plan". And while we have been told that Mature land allows being naughty in private, we don't have a full definition of private: Not advertised? Behind closed doors and windows? Fenced yard with a pool?
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Phoenixa Sol
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05-06-2009 07:56
Ursula my foot. They should give a free island/pay same tier they're paying now to everyone being forced to move, since they wont do the obvious and create a G rated sanitized continent for those who dont want to see adult content (I think that's where the 2 to 4% came from).
Or perhaps create a completely seperate grid and call the new one Sanitized Life.
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Chris Norse
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05-06-2009 07:59
From: Kevin Amat ok,so why don't we all simply substitute the word 'sex' with the word 'fun' or something similar....................'funbeds', 'funballs'............hmmm,has it's drawbacks though.....'What fun are you?. Male or Female? lol. Yet another nail in the coffin of SL? I thought we had decided on the term "Linden". As in "Hey baby, wanna Linden?" , " I am gonna Linden you good and hard." , or "This coming change smells like a pile of Linden."
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Ciera Spyker
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05-06-2009 08:16
From: Storyof Oh edit snip Best make a strong case to be free moved and maintain a 'feeder' store in mature with non working examples, a script demo room in private, as many examples of furniture styles as prims allow with ordering abilities and copious land marks to your adult store.
I've already begun doing this. The feeder store is the only way to cross advertise on al parcel ratings and lead upwards. The entie stores are massive notcard/landmark givers- 4096 parcel sized. o.O
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Storyof Oh
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05-06-2009 15:19
From: Phil Deakins A strong case? heh. There's no way I'm going to move the store, or any part of it. If they say it can't stay where it is now, a strong case wouldn't be needed, anyway.
What I mean is best to get to move some now free than try and run in mature within the rules then later discover its too restricting or after pernicious AR's someone THEN tries to move and then have to pay...assuming space left...and at high land values based on supply and demand.
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Lindal Kidd
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05-07-2009 07:34
From: DanielRavenNest Noe We repeatedly asked for a PG continent and were told "its not part of the plan".
And while we have been told that Mature land allows being naughty in private, we don't have a full definition of private:
Not advertised? Behind closed doors and windows? Fenced yard with a pool? The group *I* Am Adult Content distributed a "Private Residence" sign. Just put it up at your place and you're sure to be OK. *sniggers*
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