Is it right to do this as a seller??

My partner has just come across this product purchased it to find it was stuff not for resale at least he has taken it down but boy was he p****y about it and sent her an IM moaning just for the record here is the link to the product on Xstreet so please do not buy it if you see it in world. The creator was notified.

http://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=discussions&ItemID=952502

Put Yourself in the creators shoes. You work hard enough on something to warrant putting it up for sale. Then make a small mistake with permissions and lose it. Ive done exactly that and it feels awful!!

IMO reselling someones permissions mistake is rubbing salt in that wound.

The permissions is clearly noted on the purchase screen as Copy. No other permissions are listed or implied by the seller. You must research items prior to purchase. many items in world are no transfer

I believe he meant they were stolen

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I don't see anything that indicates it's a BIAB or otherwise for resale.

ack...maybe I read the post wrong

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You sell what you want when you want. If you own it, it's yours to sell, it's yours to break, it's yours to give away or do whatever you wish. Once given away or especially if sold, it now becomes the property of the person on the receiving end. Case closed.

You can't go by these egotistical maniacs who in their warped minds actually believe that whatever item they've created belongs to them and them alone. Because according to them, said item was created by them for the first time in the history of mankind.

Incredibly, some of these people believe even when they sell an item, they still have some link to it. One reason and probably the main reason is because according to them their name is on the item so it shouldn't be changed or re-sold. Like if their name means anything to anyone. Consumers don't care about that, they only care about getting what they pay for and getting it cheap.

You could say the only ones who actually made anything for the first time is Linden and you don't hear them bitching about their stuff like people here. On the contrary, they encourage folks to make stuff.

I've never sold anything I've paid for but if I wanted to, I would without any hesitation because it's mine, I paid for it.

I'm a bit confused by what you mean Ricardo. I understand that if I purchase a no-copy/transfer item I generally have the right to sell/give that to someone else. But if I purchase a full perm texture or animation they generally come with a license that allows me to use the texture/animation in items I create but I am not allowed to give/sell the texture or animation away as is and I need to make sure in the case of the animation that I change the permission for next owner to be copy/no-transfer or no-copy/transfer. Without this provision there would be no reason for people to sell full perm textures or animations.

In the case of the object referenced in this thread I assume that an animation was being sold in violation of the license agreement of the creator.

I guess this all hinges upon what constitutes "owning". As a seller, I sell you rights to use my products . . . not the products themselves. You do not own them.

If you try to exercise different rights on my goods--ones other than what I sold you--you need to pay for those rights. If you don't, you're stealing.

Copyright, patent, and trademark laws of your particular country govern and penalties can be exacted for that theft according to the provisions of those laws.

Does that mean the buyer gives you the right to use their money.....not the money itself. If I promise to never use your product anymore, can I have my money back?

Clearly Ricardo believes in property rights but not the laws surrounding them.

http://www.whatiscopyright.org/

If anyone else is confused on this issue Please check out this link.

His post is completely wrong and could expose anyone taking his advice to serious legal exposure.

Aside from legalities, it's just nicer to be considerate of other people. If we can't make an honest attempt to do the right thing in Second Life, where the financial stakes are so small and the permissions bugs and annoyances are so great, that doesn't bode well for our efforts to build a better real world.

Yes Taylor i have been here long enough to understand how things work and i can write off 500L$ lol i give much more than that away in the money trees and money ball on the sim. Its the permission bugs i hate where people then go an rip others off, i wonder if these are the same people that rip the State off for benefits for themselves rather than working and contributing to society

Thats correct Gabby and i wanted to mention it here i know many people don't care as seen in this thread but a lot do and they are the people i hope will notice, the ones that don't care, well as always i want lose any sleep over their words as i have many more important things to deal with in life than them

I just wrote a long post on a related subject in the textures section, which can be found here.

/109/15/287343/1.html

Mine is by far not the first but as content creators I believe it is our responsibility to speak up
and help inform new users of the reality of the situation. Especially when someone posts
that you can do anything you want. Which is a very irresponsible and uninformed post that misleads otherwise honest people.

I think it is also important for content creators to "pile on" if you will in cases like these to provide
a variety of views hopefully in agreement with actual existing laws to help clarify which posts
correctly reflect the truth.

Nonsense. If I buy one of your products, I own it, and I'm free to do exactly what I want with it, including sell it for a lot more than I paid you for it. You don't own it any more.

QFT

Thanks i will look tomorrow when i have time, its a shame there are so many Ar******s on SL now ripping others off. Thats why i mentioned it here as its important to me personally as i know old friends that have been ripped off here.

Presumably not literally "exactly what I want", though. I mean, buying it shouldn't give me the right to copybot it and claim it as my own creation, should it?

In fact, it's really not up to us to have opinions on these matters. It's up to the courts. And AFAIK, the common-sense view is what works in court: the C/M/T permissions stand as an implicit license grant unless overridden by an explicit license, and the effect of such explicit license depends on how well it was written and the quality of the evidence that the buyer affirmed those terms prior to delivery.

If something is copyable I respect that creators don't make it transferable, they don't want people selling their copyable stuff, but for the life of me I can not understand why you make them NO Transfer AND No copy, that just sux. I buy something use it for a while, I want to give it to a friend and I can't because it's no transfer. Is it because if my friend wants it she has to buy it from you!!! What does it matter to you who has it, I can't copy it and sell more, so WTF

You're funny.

I believe it's called Paranoia. Ab-normal paranoia at that, mixed in with a dab of greed and a pinch of self-serving attitude and you have entire mix. And I'm being extremely generous in calling it just a dab and a pinch, it's waaayyyy more.

Well they'd struggle to enforce it without at least getting people to agree to terms and conditions before they purchase the item. We're not buying shrink wrapped items here.

Always a man of reason.

I'm curious, do you have the same viewpoint for real life items? Let's say you just went to the store and purchased a Bladerunner DVD. Do you believe that your ownership of the physical DVD somehow gives you rights to duplicate and resell it? What you are proposing seems to be no different. If everyone took your view there would be no creator willing to sell their items for use in other creator's products and that would not be good for sl. And by the way, what do patents have to do with this discussion?