What Do You Considering Extortion?

The existing abuse report system is a failure. To rely on it to solve all community issues before it has a huge overhaul is just LL's way of giving us something to do while they continue to ignore the issue.

With one breath people complain that LL don't listen to the residents and then they complain that they are asking the residents to identify where they are being harassed so that they can do what they can to fix the problem.

Sorry, you can't have it both ways, although I know you will try....

Linden Lab has COMPUTERS. They tell their computer to make a list of all 16M plots set for sale over $5,000L. Then they send out staff to see if these plots comply with their new policy.

Much more efficient than checking out Poopmaster's 1100 ARs.

Yeah, but they knew this was coming. It's not like the crisis just "appeared" one day as an unexpected event, like a service disruption.

Their helpdesk system should allow them to easily sort and categorize the ARs into regions, and they can handle them on a region-by-region basis, closing out the ARs in groups as they clean and warn the violators in each region.

I'll be patient with them whilst they tackle the massive job they have set themselves up for.

Nope.

Easier than that... use the computer to tell if there are:

* prims on the lot larger than a specific size in any given direction
* scripts in the prims that cause the prim to spin
* scripts in the prims that create particles
* height of prim relative to ground level

Yes I do and growing up one of the first things you learn is you don't snitch, you don't rat, ever.

Where I work as a C.O. in the Men's House of Detention people get killed and have gotten killed if an inmate even suspects they've informed on anyone no matter how small the situation. What happens with organize crime and how much these indiviuals are detested.

Ok, here in sl it's a bit different I'm aware of this. It's an online game and the rules change a bit being its a virtual world. But to go around out of your way to report on others on something that's no concern of yours, that has nothing to do with you directly, that is not affecting you in any way is not right.

Please, don't say it affects you because in the overall picture it doesn't. Don't give me stats on why, when or how as no matter which way you want to put it it's not doing anything to you. Stating you'll lose money or prices will go up is just an excuse as you don't know this and even if you did prices will go up regardless.

If a situation involving you arises let's say on your land, you try to iron it out by yourself in a peaceful, adult way. If the situation persist then you take the means to resolve it by doing whatever you need to if you can and are willing to do so. Only when everything else fails do you call on Lindens for help. But to go out of your way, to leave everything you're doing just to go exploring to see who is doing what to report them is being a snitch and a rat.

There's just no way you can respect anyone who does this. Thank god it's sl and not rl because you would be looking over your shoulder.

Ok, I bought 4 adjacent 16sqm plots the other day (and yes, Raymond, they were under L$15 per sqm!).

I merged them into one 64 sqm plot (it had all originally been part of a single 256 sqm plot that someone bought from the original owner, and carved into a whole bunch of 16 sqm plots.) So, I have reattached part of that original plot. But the remaining 16 sqms are priced ridiculously high, and have spinning ad cube towers on them. Ugly. Right outside a club, and right next to my little plot.

I want to put an ad for my business on my little plot, but know I don't know what constitutes acceptable now. How high can it be? How big can it be? Can it rotate? Can it be full bright or light? It is a mature sim, so are there any images that would be prohibited? They allow porn in M sims, so it should in theory be acceptable on an ad, right? And it is outside of a club, so will any ad at all that I would put up be ARable, because it is near a building, and they might not like it?

Are we eventually going to be barred from advertising inworld? Anything you put up could be deemed "offensive" by someone. And someone may use reverse extortion, ARing you repeatedly, or blocking your ad, to force you to sell and leave.

Any suggestions about what would be "safe" ad parameters for me to use? Or are small plots just not going to be allowed to have ads on them? I'm not listing it for sale. I truly bought it so I could advertise my business, not to flip and extort with. Is Linden only going after the plots that are priced ridiculously high in order to force neighbors to buy? Or are they also looking at plots that are owned and in use, and not for sale?

If people take a minute to think about it, they would realize that A) you own the plot, B) it's not for sale, and C) it's for your own store. If your store is not far from the plot, put an arrow on it to make it plainly obvious where it is. I'd recommend that the sign be fairly low to the ground, not spin, and be very clear that it's not an ad farm ad since you are a nearby proprietor.

But considering that few people actually LOOK at ads anyway, you may be better served just saving the prims for your store.

If you don't have the land up for sale then you can put anything you want on it. Advertising is NOT illegal. The Lindens made that perfectly clear. Even if you are selling the land, then you have to decide whether you are extorting your neighbors by having an ugly build so they will buy your lot to get rid of it. I'm sure that's not the case.

The only thing I might ad is I'm certain I read somewhere that you can't have images that are Mature if they can be seen from a PG sim. I have been unable to locate where I read that, though, and it obviously isn't enforced so I wouldn't worry about it.

Good point. I bought the first 16 sqm because I need just a few more prims. And then looking at the rest of the area, realized that buying the 3 adjacent plots was in my best interests, for whatever purpose I decided. That's when I considered putting a sign on it. And yes, it is not far from my store, but because of all the spinning ads between the two, you can't see the store.

So, can I now AR the rest of those 16 sqm plots between my 64 sqm plot, and my store?! The plots are listed for sale at high prices, and have tall spinning ad towers on them. I could legitimately claim they are hampering visual (and physical) access to my store, and are priced too high to make it reasonable to buy them, in order to clear the view.

Oh, what a tangled can of worms Linden has opened. Can you see all the potential ways for abuse and griefing that will arise from this new policy? They don't have enough staff now to deal with abuse reports (I'm still waiting to hear back about one I filed over a month ago). Are they bringing in extra staff to deal with these? And who decides what is acceptable? Are you at the mercy of the particular Linden that gets your report, or will they have written guidelines to follow (with examples) in order to enforce this consistently and fairly? Uh....yeah. Right.

I wouldn't worry about all the issues you listed below. You have a very legitimate gripe. I would AR them without hesitation.

Yep, if I see some one run into my neighbours car, shoot their kid and drive off I shouldn't write down the plate number or call the police because it doesn't affect me in anyway, and it would be snitching.......................................
A company starts putting really ugly glowing signs all around my neighbourhood I shouldn't do anything about it I guess

I'm glad to see that she is working.

Well, no, not really.

It really amazes me that in these forums people either don't read and digest everything they read before answering back or maybe it's they just don't seem to understand half of what they read before going on to respond.

You can tell them something is black in every other sentence, yet, they will respond asking you what color it was you're referring to. It's really not that difficult to comprehend if you take the time to try to understand what it is you've read. Even reading between the lines shouldn't be this big a task. Or maybe it is, I don't know. It sure seems like it is.

To every person their own world. Some have no honor hitting and running while all the while hiding behind their own self righteousness. But everything comes back full circle at one time or other. When that time comes in whatever shape or form it comes in they won't be able to hide anymore.

I can understand that you have grown up in an environment that fosters your beliefs, however not everyone else has to share them.

I have no qualms reporting a crime, and I have no fear of ANYONE who wants to try and come back on me for reporting them. THEY did wrong. *I* did not. If they think that I am the cause of their troubles and come to visit me for a little misdirected payback, if they want to compound one stupid mistake with another, I'll be more than happy to burn them down and bag their ashes for it. THAT's the way I was raised, and how I live my life. If someone wants to get a little Wild West on me, well, we'll just see how things go.

I've already been victimized from criminals in RL. I have no fear of putting them where they need to be, no matter whom they are victimizing. I have no fear of their terroristic threats of payback. My response to them is "you did the crime, now do the time".