What Do You Considering Extortion?

If it were someone with a neighboring plot with some purpose other than trying to get me to pay 10x-100x market value for "extra prims", or to replace the original corner or hole in my land created by said person, then I would agree with you.

However, many of these plots have ZERO purpose other than to "entice" their neighbors to pay ridiculous prices to "buy them out and get rid of us". Some don't use ads. They use banlines, or strategically placed "holes" in land you buy so you have no choice but to pay their ridiculously EXTORTIVE prices so you can avoid having a hole in your house.

Mr. 777 isn't likely to swap parcels with me, unlike you, so I consider him no less odious overall than the ones who use ad extortion. Not using ads doesn't preclude the intent to extort.

Just out of curiosity, why were you trading land? Did you give up your presence on any sims? Are you picking up a lot of new parcels as a result of this rule change? Are farmers dumping?

i like the phrase "what goes around comes around" much better. LOLOL

No we didn't give up any presence.

Some ad farmers dropped prices on surrounding parcels. The neighbors have been buying them and fixing boundaries, sometimes that involves us.

And yes, we bought some new locations.

I'd agree with that 100%, and I've seen it on a number of occasions. I've also seen refusal to trade/move/sell out of the middle of someone elses parcel just to be obtuse about it, which in a moral sense is no better. The right decision is always still the right decision, reguardless of how one feels about it personally.

Nice of you to accomodate people to attach something to a border. Weedy did that for me once long ago.

1) A lot with so many ugly designs you can't see anything except that
2) 512m2 that is for sell for incredibly outrageous prices like 999999999999
16m2 lot for 20 to 100x times it worth.

You disappoint me, Bracken. Can't leave you alone for a second.

Not nice to tell on others. Unless it's affecting you directly and by that I don't mean hypothetically as you're saying. I mean unless it's something affecting your land or you directly in any way then it would be ok and even then you would have to think twice before doing this.

Restraint? I think you need to be tied down yourself. This goes for the rest of you who do or are thinking of doing this same thing. It's not your concern unless directly affected. And you know exactly what I mean by directly affected, not this thing of if this goes on prices will go up or down or even sideways.

This too.

I'm just ARing those over $1000, can come back for the others in a few months time if they're still there, I also AR'd some not for sale for just purely ugly excessive advertising anyway.
Hmm I only AR'd around 30 so far, just around my local area.

Just ugly advertising? Tsk Tsk. Now you know the blog specifically stated that advertising in and of itself is not illegal.

I have had a great time today but haven't been as busy as I've implied simply because I have seen no need to repetitively AR the same individuals again and again. Especially the big ones that are getting AR'd all over the grid.

I said in another thread, I don't think all the AR'ing that's going on is bogging LL down one bit. The vast majority of ad farms are by the same owners. A simple Excel spreadsheet will tell them that. They just need to send one letter to each of them this week, another letter to them next week, then another and so on until the problem is solved. If they've made it more complicated then that then shame on them.

I've mostly stayed at L$1000 or more but have gone as low as L$500 for those that are particularly abusive with spinning signs and particle beams at the same time.

Well they were really ugly and obviously just extortion, similar to our friend UH, but bigger, one had a rotating stack of 10m cubes on a 16m plot. It was in the middle of nowhere but enroaching on 2 other peoples land.
Damn haven't found a particle one yet.......................

QFT

The one which really made me gawk at the 214 per sqm is still there, but the spiralling adfarm in the sky has gone. YAY. At least the one on MY side of that sim has.

Yes they must be very bored of hearing about UH ... at least one of mine was "this and various others in the same sim".

I don't think 500L is extortion really. Greedy yes ... opportunist yes ... extortion no.

I've got to stop agreeing with you like this

Ricardo is not making a mockery of this new system.

Oh, please. If I see them, I AR them. They are against the rules now, I am forced to waste bandwidth on downloading illegal content, and look at the eyesores when I go around the grid. They ARE *DIRECTLY AFFECTING* me, just as much if some griefer came along and orbited me.

I don't need to think twice to AR something which is so plainly and obviously abusive and, now, AGAINST THE RULES. I am not going out of my way to look for them myself, but I also don't mind if anyone else does. Personally, I think it is a *public service*.



Well, unless LL makes "tattling" against the ToS, I don't think anyone needs to restrain themselves in reporting rulebreaking behavior.

well there are those who troll the forums.and then there are those who now troll the mainland looking for things to AR

I wouldnt go totally black or white on anything..the Lindens may start having pity on these adfarners.

~Lana Tomba

Hmmmm wasting bandwidth downloading them ...

This is a valid point too, one I am lucky enough not to have to worry about. Guess that IS a case of directly affecting.

All the same - reason, people! There's only so many people in the staff at LL and all that will happen is this.

Massive AR count.

Massive backlog.

Stressed people dealing with massive AR backlog **AND** everything else.

People with entitlement issues getting prissy and sending more ARs and complaints.

More backlog.

More stress. Probably people getting ill and not going to work. More backlog.

Ultimate in this is that nothing gets done and everyone goes "LL lies again".

Be reasonable. The joy of ARing and feeling smug won't do much good if nothing comes of it.

Now, I am not being apologist for Linden Labs here. This is bitter experience talking from RL, and having to be the one who pulled rabbits out of hats when the poo hit the fan on several occasions. I've pulled enough 14 hour "crisis" shifts to want to avoid such for others.

The main reason this has become a crisis it that typical Crisis Management techniques have been applied, that is, Ignore it until the problem is so huge it topples and falls all over in a huge flood before you do anything about it.

I do sympathize with the poor LL employees that have to deal with this... Just like the huge flood of Gambling places that had to be closed it will take a little time to get a grip on things, however I do believe that after a short delay and a few (may I suggest UH) of the worst land extortionist get banned permanently this will make Second life a better place to play.

Yes it is. If people can't follow a few simple rules then that's their problem, not the consciencious few who care enough about the landscape of SL to help those who aren't able to get to grips with the report system - or, saving them the bother of doing it themselves.

Have you never phoned the police to report a crime taking place?

Seconded. And I agree with this, people will have to be reasonable in their expectations and hopefully will remember that the people DEALING with the thin edge of the wedge didn't make the choices, they just have to deal with the consequences.

I'm starting to feel a little sorry for uh ... no, wait! /me looks behind my neighbour's house

Not sorry at all.

Linden Lab let the adfarming thing go on for two years until it reached critical mass. Then they tell over a million people to AR adfarmers. Sounds like LL set this up to fail.

When LL had a lot of money to gain, they went through all of their customer records and sent e-mails to their VAT-effected customers and collected the funds.

LL loves turning the community on itself when it's an issue that does not effect their bottom line.

This could have been handled differently without making it apart of a system that already does not work.

He lives in New York City. (Insert your own witty reply here).

Let's give it a week before we call the new rule a failure.