Are profiles supposed to be PG

Profiles have always had to be PG and names that are classed as offensive have been removed in the past. It may be your profiles but its Linden Labs program so they call the shots.

the Second Life and First Life pictures are suppose to be PG and I think the write-up on those two tabs.

HOWEVER, it would be very very unfair to the adult groups and adult businesses to not allow those to be in a person's profile




NOW, go out into the Real World and find some sinner out there to convert and save.

You lost me there. You don't go around in RL with a stack of fliers sticking out of your pocket or purse, so that the person behind you in the supermarket line can just grab one and learn about your sexual interests.

It is the second impression, but it's the second impression for anyone and everyone, anywhere. It's not the second impression just for those people you'd like to get to know you.


Maybe you're paying for it, I'm not. But stop thinking of it as a place for publishing stuff, it's not. If you want to publish stuff, get a blog - there are plenty of free ones - and put a link to it in your profile. Problem solved.


I quite agree. I won't even send private criticisms to profile authors unless I think they'll appreciate it. But just because I won't act against a specific profile doesn't mean I agree that it's appropriate or that won't argue against them in general.

see thats EXACTLY what I mean.
Why do you have to relate freedom of expression with Sex ??
Thats bullshit..

I MEANT that, if I RP in Toxia for example (assuming most people know that)
I means I cant put my character sheet in my picks? Because sex DOES happen there?
And other violent things.

Thats what I mean with freedom.
You should be allowed to put anything in your profile you want.
And of course, putting a naked RL picture is not good, there are other places where you can do that, but not in SL , I agree with that.


Just, STOP linking freedom of expression to Hardcore Adult Stuff!!!

And to those worrying about a merge with the teen grid: the teen grid was created specifically to get the minors OUT of SL, and only about 2 years ago. These rumors about merging the two have been around for almost as long as the teen grid has been around, while SL citizens were at the time specifically adviced to move to the teen grid if they were not adult, and also to REPORT any rl minors encountered in SL, to have it forcefully moved to that place if required.
This never changed. If you have strong suspicions that some avatar might be a minor, or better even, some minor confesses this him/her self, then just file a report, include a time stamp of the moment the minor did these confessions, and LL can investigate from there (by investigating chatlogs etc.)

The PG profiles are because any citizen can show up anywhere on the grid, and anyone can pull up anyone's profile. So clicking "view profile" on someone in a PG area, thinking it will be safe to show to your boss to explain some features of SL is not really safe, since you might end up showing your boss a picture of some random persons' toolbox. PG area or not.
I must say, I like the idea of having a PG and an Adult version of your profile. But I guess such a JIRA will end up the same as how the "More Profile Picks" and "More Groups" Jira's ended up. SL hasn't done anything to improve avatar statistics, only reduced it when they did away with the profile ratings (admitted, those needed an overhaul, but definitely not deletion).
It's only a matter of time untill someone develops a widely distributed "profile" hud to bypass the SL one, much like the Hippo groups were developed to bypass group limitations.

Does your daughter know about dolcett, vore, snuff etc? If she does then you must be a *really* liberated parent. Would you be happy about her playing with someone old enough to be her grandfather but not interested in just sharing toffees with her? I would suggest that if you think you have some new contributions to make regarding under 18's accessing the main grid then go and find the threads which have discussed this ad infinitum. This thread is about the application of existing ToCs and CSs to profiles, in the context of the new LL movement to segregating the Adult community.

Pep (I have an 11 year old daughter and your laisser-faire attitude appalls me.)

You signed up to the ToC the same as everyone did and freedom of expression is not one of the concepts that is included so I'll be keeping an eye on your profile and you may find out from the Lindens whether or not they agree with your libertarian attitude. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

I don't now where on earth you read that me and my daughter are such a "liberated" (negative adjective) persons, but with 7yo I didn't remember to show such interest about the way babies where made as youngsters at my country are nowadays, 40 years ago I wasn't shocked to see my parents naked though they weren't showing off, but it seams that for your narrowed mind it might be the end of the world and my dear I don't give a damn if you are appalled or not

Regarding teens on SL, I always said that I didn't agree to see them on SL, and if SL is an adult environment we shouldn't be segregated on adult continents; if we don't like a determined SIM we simply move forward to other, just TP

Pep it's also shocking to see adults playing puritans like they were born from the air

Sorry, I have over-estimated you. I thought you might have had some sort of coherent argument behind your misguided comments but it appears that you neither understand the concepts we are discussing, nor are able to express your views in a fashion that would encourage me to take you seriously.

Pep (You might want to give Benski a call; you would probably get on like a house on fire.)

/me is curious what encourages Pep to take someone seriously.

I didn't. Sex related issues are raised in the base note.

Nor is this a matter of linking or equating. You're implying that we shouldn't talk about the relationship of sex to freedom of expression at all.


I didn't say that, and don't see how you could have reached that conclusion.


You can't have it both ways. You can't say that you should be allowed to put anything you want into your profile, and then say you shouldn't be allowed to put naked RL pictures there. Which is it? Or are you just distinguishing between what's allowed and what's appropriate?

Conspicuous displays of expertise.

Pep (If you can't present your argument coherently I don't care if you're Leonardo da Vinci reborn.)

I hear he has a sim in Second Life.

Ooh if you're waiting for expertise on an internet forum... *checks watch*

*checks calendar*

Yep!

Pep (A merely semi-competent expression of even a misguided belief would give me heart.)

I no longer have the link to the Tuesday meeting transcript, but I recall this issue coming up. My understanding is that you can have picks, classifieds, or groups to whatever, as long as the language and picture are pg appropriate.

Obviously, any attempt by someone viewing your profile to tp to a pick or classified would suceed or fail based on the content rating that the avatar is logged in with and the rating of the destinantion.

'zactly. pretty much anything considered *public* - it's just that it's been considered way low on the list for enforcement. Which takes priority: an AR for fraud involving copybot, a griefing at Waterhead, or someone showing their chest in a profile?



uhhh... That's been banned for a long, long time. I recall at least one former forum regular who went through a forced name change or two.

This is what I had assumed the situation should be by analogy with the land rules given the requirement of profiles to be PG. Thanks for confirming it.

And this sort of shows why we are, where we are, at this moment. The fact is that lot's of people just never took the time to find out what is appropriate. I'm afraid that the old "Your world, your imagination" stuff left many to believe that they had free liscence to do whatever they could imagine.

I thought dirty av names and naughty real photos in picks were always verboten. Nothing new. It is probably hard to enforce and a lot of people push their luck or tempt fate doing it anyway.

Do you actually play SL?

Okay, so we know how it is now. Should we try to change it?

There's no reason to try to force non-PG material on people with PG preferences, but I can't come up with a compelling reason not to allow Adult material to be communicated between folks with Adult preferences. So, what should be in the jira? (Or should we just let sleeping dogs lie and not raise the issue at all? I can already hear folks screaming that it's another imposition on their freedom of expression, when in fact the whole idea is to allow expression that was forbidden before.)

I'm thinking that LL is already screening out content from their database before letting it onto the web or into a viewer, based on maturity. So it's not a hopeless thing to implement. I'm not even sure it would be difficult. But before I propose such a thing, I'd want to know if the whole thing is misguided, and whether there are details I'm missing.

Suppose Qie Libertine checks off a box somewhere saying his Profile is Adult. Presumably Qie Chaste shouldn't see the images (RL & SL) and text from that Profile, but should otherwise be able to know of Libertine's existence, PIOF status, rezdate, etc. Right?

And Picks, too, should be able to be Adult, Mature, or PG. Should these be determined by the maturity rating of the land? I think that's how Search works now, but I'm not sure it really should, nor that Picks should necessarily emulate it. However that works, actually, Landmarks also might reasonably be Adult or not, too.

I dunno. Maybe this is just asking for trouble.

QFT

see this is the kinda of stupid I expect on these forum (well anticipate... I EXCPECT better... woe, the disappointment)

nobody was "policing" anything, in fact they were asking if it WAS being policed (answer: no, only dealt with as reported)... fact is, it's always been the case that profile were intended to be PG except for a short period where they tried out a check box to list your profile as mature (anyone remember that around the time new search came out?)...

(as for pep, in case you missed the memo, he generally adopts whichever devil's advocate position amuses him, and plays it to the hilt until bored (by lack of response) at which point you're likely to see a different random position... he's cute in his way, and mostly harmless)

Dont be silly.
I know lots of people who have names that shouldnt be allowed.
Just type them in search.


And my reply to something that was said earlier is..
''I would say allow everything as long as its not ''nude''... this means that if you are a RL model for example, you should be able to post a picture of you in a bikini... NOT That you want that, but you should be able to do so, IF you want''

And you can watch my profile.
It has RP info in it, there is some RL section and it has some picks.
Nothing bad or naughty in my profile.

I am just feeling that the people that want to put that in their profile, should have the right to do so. I mean, if you look at somebody's profile you do it at your own risk! Whats the point for sombody thats into Adult things, to put PG things in his profile? People get a wrong picture of him then.. and the profile IS your calling card, so it should have right info.

Just, put the truth in it, full stop.

I agree.