Are profiles supposed to be PG

Some questions about profiles.

I thought they were supposed to be PG. Are they because I keep seeing profiles that have

- lewd SL and even RL nudity

- groups that are obviously nonPG

- words that would be filtered from Search

- picks advertising adult and mature landmarks

Surely all of these make the profile nonPG.

I suppose noone bothered about this much before but with the recent movement by LL to ghettoist policies is it likely that the rules will be enforced more strongly or that ARs about these things will be taken more seriously or even that avatars will have to be classified as PG Mature or Adult the same as land is.

I really hope note, although my profile is clearly PG I don't want to be prohibited to go for adult actions, but if I put my profile as adult I'll be restricted to that... It's really annoying to see our personal freedom be capped like this and it's more sad to see the huge number of persons that seams to have as only goal to live to AR others... I almost start think that there is more bitterness and jealousy hidden behind some so called nice and friendly avatars

Omg...

Now you even want to force us to make PG profiles?
First people get ''locked up' on an Island called Zindra.
And now we cannot decide what we want to put in our OWN profiles? ^_^

Great....
Cant wait till you decide to ban Avatar names with naughty words in it -.-
Anyway, my profile is not adult mature or pg.. its my profile. I put in it what I want, full stop.

I am sure that you are not allowed to have avatar names that are nonPG although some get through maybe because they are not created using the main SL registration site. Also I know that some groups have been renamed by LL because they have used nonPG language in their titles.

Technically, you're not even allowed to have adult content in your picks. So if you frequent this place that has an adult land description and an adult parcel picture, you're supposed to change these if you wish to add it to your list.

Thats what I would have thought because you would be advertising Adult or maybe Mature places in what is supposed to be a PG profile and it is advertising that LL seem to say is what is important.

were profiles included in the adult maturity definitions?? i know you are not supposed to have nude pictures even before.. but i never read anything in adult maturity definitions about profiles..they may be able to be looked at but i don't think they are considered part of a search..

it is a good question though..

yes actually... I don't know if picks/classifieds are exempt though, but the rest of it has always been PG...

This is a good question, particularly about Picks. Ideally, Adult Picks just wouldn't be delivered to viewers with sub-Adult preferences, in the same way they don't get Adult Search results, but I don't think it works that way now. (Does it?)

That kind of mechanism would also open the opportunity to have non-PG Group names and descriptions (which I think are currently a violation but not enforced), and even non-PG Profiles themselves (which I know are currently a violation, and sometimes enforced).

Perhaps LL chooses not to make too much an issue of this now, knowing that the correct (and probably inevitable) solution would take some development.

Ugh some of you people in the forums! Instead of dreaming up new things to police why don't you get ou there and play?? SL is or WAS supposed to be a place to explore things you can't do in RL but I come to these forums and see 10-20 page threads come up when it has anything to do with adult issues. As if we were still back in grade school with the teacher approaching sex education for the first time. It's exactly this kind of attitude that has got us to this point in SL. OMG people have SEX, omg the horror! How did we all get here then?? Its not a big deal people. Lets dwell on other things, like world peace, the state of lag in SL etc.

Hmm
That sucks..
I always thought the profile is the last thing that is completely yours..
Guess I will spice it up with balloons, clowns and other PG stuff =.=

Its getting worse.
If SL is going to be a PG game only, I am out.

And no, not because I do adult stuff, but because I believe in freedom of expressing yourself.


Edit:

And I completely agree with Summerland.
We let Pg people be Pg, if they let Mature and Adult people to be mature and adult

i guess it all depends on how they look at resident profiles..

are they considered the residents profile and part of an avatar or are they pubics profiles like a phone book??

i always knew you could not have the images of nudity..i'm looking right now to see if they are considered public..

it would be good to know although i don't think i have any naughty's on mine heheheh
and all my groups are hidden..

Nope, I put a pick of something mildly offensive in my profile. This was so that when I arrived at a place that had on of those "show your profile pics" boards they would get a not so pleasant surprise. I was banned for three days! Long live the gestapo!

Whatever the rules are, the reality is that there are 500-800K active SL players, and 16 million or so accounts, and 11 lindens on the G-Team. So policing profiles is way down on their priority list. I have only seen them take action on one what it was blatantly X-rated (as in nude male RL photo with penis showing), and repeatedly AR'd (like half a dozen times by different people over a period of months).

if there was nobody here to try and defend the things we like or love or make sense of what is what ..those things would have been gone long ago..
there has to be a voice of opposition or it becomes a one way street heading for disney land with no speed limit..

i guess some people need their parents here in SL to guide them

If LL are intending to bring teens into the main grid at some point they will have to clean up profiles or restrict access to them in the same way that they are attempting to (very clumsily in my opinion and just paying lip service) with land. I have pointed out before that the only filtering of language is being carried out in English and I can see multiple opportunities for PR disasters if they don't close all the loopholes which might demonstrate that they are not serious about separating Adult stuff out.

Pep (Does "Je te baise" *really* mean "I kiss you"? )

Umm this is an ADULT venue. Children not allowed, therefore parents is a moot issue. For me its not about doing the adult stuff, more about our right to choose. SL ends up to me to be about relationships not getting out there and doing whatever any which way you can. But it does happen on occasion and people do come here to explore things they can't do in RL. We ALL know that. Without such, SL loses a main part of its attraction. But clearly with the amount of threads and the length of each one regarding these things some cannot handle it. Those people should stay in the areas in which they feel more comfortable.

According to the TOS/CS - profiles have always supposed to have been PG - just not really enforced unless they were AR'd

As if teens didn't know already everything about RL lol nowadays kids almost born knowing everything about everything (and now I'm talking about RL-parent of a 7yo girl)

When we think about teens on SL we shoulder be able to know exactly how many are them, are they a majority? Is SL becoming a Disney-tyranny? Accordingly to 2007 metrics they were like 1%, how many are they now?

And by the way Sommerland, you got my vote too

"Mildly offensive" = You deserved it.

ya i was reading on that and they are considered public information..so i would think they fall under the maturity standards..

the thing that bothers me is when i put a pic in my profile of say a friend or a neat build will the LM of where i am standing get me in trouble or is it just the information in the image area and the text i can edit..

it's an easy thing to overlook at times..i guess i could just port to a pg area and do my profile..but wow lol

well I still see my profile as THE way to share things about yourself.
When meeting somebody new, your profile is your calling card.

Its the 2nd impression people get.
The first impression is the way your avatar looks (furry human kid etc etc).
So I DO feel that we should be allowed to put anything we want, in our profile
(except for links to really really adult stuff)

But if you want to put a place in your picks that sells great sex beds, I think you should be allowed to do that, since its your profile. There are not many PG things I would like to put in my profile, pherhaps Mouse - World... oh wait, even that has some scary images in one of the attractions, it could scare baby teens.

Seriously, I put things in my profile that I want to publish.
My mind is not twisted and I am not a perv, I just like having the ability to be free and in control about your OWN profile. After all, you are paying for it -.-

And I would never AR or ban somebody for having a profile *i* dont like.
People that do that are silly. And I believe the goal of SOME people in SL, is to AR others and play a wannabe linden.

The recent update in the CS has removed the wording requiring avatar profiles to be PG by default. But, it has been commonly documented that profiles are required to be PG. (^_^)

To be clear. Lindens do NOT police the grid. Gteam does NOT police the grid. Governance operates on the Abuse Report system and their hands are full with that alone. So, it's the old "You're only in trouble if you're caught.". AR or it didn't happen. (^_^)

That said... There is still an Indecency > Profile category in the Abuse Report dialogue, so at the moment, PG profiles are still an assumed rule. But, we can guess that the meaning of the rule is that you don't include pornographic pictures and swear words in your details. (^_^)y

Freedom of expression has never included stripping naked and engaging in sex on the public common. It doesn't even include displaying explicit photos of such activities in such places. And while it may be legal to hand out discreet leaflets for adult entertainment to the tourist families as they disembark the bus to view the Liberty Bell, the reaction may be far from welcoming.

I understand the desire to have some personal space to express yourself freely, and I even understand how the profile might be perceived as such a space, but there's nothing about adult activities that says you don't need to think things through. It doesn't take a computer science degree to figure out that your profile isn't limited to your friends or people limited to your groups or land.

Think of this as an opportunity to brainstorm enhancements. It could be more than just an adult flag on profiles or picks. Maybe people should be allowed both PG and Adult versions for their profile pictures and descriptions. Non-verified users could only see the PG info profiles, while verified users could set their preferences as to which to see by default, with a button to see the alternate.