Age Verification UK SL Members...

READ THE FAQ !!!!!

Age verification never made it out of Beta. The new Adult Content policy is clearly superseding it.

The FAQ is out of date and as Mila says the new Adult content policy will be superseding the old BETA age verification process and this will all tie up and into place with the new viewer as Ciaran rightly says.

People have been testing the new viewer for all combinations and so far it seems to work as stated. Using information from old FAQ's has no relevance to the new changes. I just wish LL would update this information now rather than sometime in the future

I am NOT spreading misinformation! I resent your saying so. Also don't insult me while saying "like you" - jerk move.

I was told this by Lindens. As for a link to PROVE it to you that at least at one point Lindens said "It must be payment info IN USE": I'm not going through 90something pages of comments in the talkback forum, sorry. If you refuse to believe me, that's your perogative. Also how am I supposed to prove to you something someone told me? Are you one of those people who don't believe it unless it's on wikipedia?

Anyway we will all see what the current policy is AND how well it actually works, in June.

Some of the people who think it isn't policy may just be experiencing the system borking.

Okay, I have to take this back. While I was fiddling around in preferences on that account I found a checkbox for the level of content I want to see. I had PG & Mature checked. When I checked PG Mature & Adult, that account was able to access Adult search.

Eating my words... pass the ketchup. Sorry for further confusing the issue.

Hmm interesting thread & I agree wholeheartedly with the OP, as a UK resident I have to be over 18 to use a cc & Paypal, so can't see why further verification of my age is required.

I have PIU & the Adult checkbox in search was greyed out for me untilI age verified, same for my alt who is also PIU. Now I didn't specifically try to access any Adult areas, or flagged parcels so can't speak as to that element. But I do know that once I age verified my account I can now tick Adult in search.

The adult checkbox is greyed out by default, you need to change your preferences for it to be tickable.

If you set your preferences to PG only, even if you're age verified and PIU, the only option is PG.

You said




Mis information as I showed in post number 31 when I posted Cyn's quote where she said



Cyn is Blondins Boss so I would be far more inclined to believe her than Blondin or any of her subordinates.

As far as your question "Also how am I supposed to prove to you something someone told me?" hearsay is never reliable information and NO I am not one of these people that believe something that is written in a wiki I need to see valid citations to show me it is fact.

I only deal in facts and not hearsay which is what you were putting in the arena and I asked as any sensible person would, Prove it, there is nothing wrong in dealing in facts rather than hearsay, that is why courts of law do not accept hearsay as evidence.

Also it has been confirmed time after time that PIOF is OK. I have read every thread, every posting and listened to every meeting, attended 2 of them and read every transcript and office hour transcript that is being posted and I called you out on it as it was wrong information at present. I am sorry that you feel aggrieved that I said you were spreading mis information, but clearly your facts didn't match what had been said and being correct factually about something if you are going to present it in public is important and I will always ask for proof on something if someone states something as fact but does not back it up with hard proof.

Now on the last 2 lines of your post, yes all we can do is wait and see what happens thats for sure, and as in post 31 if you cared to read it Cyn acknowledged there are problems with the system at present and has asked for information on these issues and yes I was at that BB meeting and heard what was said about the PIOF issue and the problems with various parts of the verification system.

All the posts and facts are also on the SLapt.me wiki along with the relevant citations

Ok am now confused...my understading from all the blog/forum comments was that PIOF and PIU were sufficient for verification..also to the extent we were encouraged to use Xstreet in order to get verified..

the following is a quote from live help/support when someone was kicked off Oatmeal..

'Joppa: payment methods do not count as age verification currently, althoguh it was mentioned that they may be accepted for that in the future'

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Now if people thought that marking their land as 'age verified only' mean't 'Aristotle only' then that is BIG problems for non USA's again...

There are two different levels of verification here.

Age verification - that's Aristotle, and is only applicable to parcels where the owner has enabled it.

Account verifications. This is PIU (and theoretically PIOF, if you can get it to work). This is currently sufficuent for access to Adult regions.

I would argue that if one follows LL history....we will not realy have any idea how it all will work long run till 6 months after its fully implemented. By then IF we ar elucky they will have figured out what they want it to do.

Agreed...but they need to concrete the goal posts...either we are 'adult' enough to access all areas that are adult=porn and not adult=grown up mature.... and if we are adult enough it has to be on one set of criteria not some for some and some for another.

Little wonder people are getting confused and giving conflicting info.

Okay, what do some of you not understand about "this was told to me" and that there is not a LINK for everything in the world!? I am not going to go looking for a link just so some strangers will believe me. I was specifically told, PIU not PIOF. It may be different by now. The LL official story has changed more than once.

Get over the fact that not everything is on wikipedia, or has a LINK, please, and move on. The entire world does not fit onto the 'net. How am I supposed to "link" to something someone TOLD me? Besides which I might have reasons for not "obeying".

"Lord" Sullivan I don't appreciate your calling me out specifically. You don't agree or you heard differently but do not make it a personal issue calling me out by name. Just because I won't obey you and go dig up a link you will be satisfied with. Others may listen to you because you are a "Master" but I'm not a sub and I'm not YOUR sub.

Gaaahhhh....

Melita I stand by what I said it was a request to provide more information to back your claim that is all, most people here will back their claims that they make, thats just common sense if you want to be believed lol

Its not a request to obey me, so get over yourself and do a bit of study on what a Master really is lmao again I do not and have not ever used a wiki to provide me with factual pieces of information, the times I do use them I am looking for factual citations emanating from them.

Get used to the fact that if you make a statement in a public arena such as this people, not just me may challenge that information so when you say "I distinctly remember Blondin Linden saying that it must not only be on file but IN USE." be prepared to back it up thats all I asked as people do take what is said here as fact and if it is wrong then that gets spread around to add to the rumors already in circulation lol

Excuse me - people were asking whether someone could access adult land with payment info on file only. *A Linden* said, in the original 5 'talk back' threads somewhere, as well as someone said to me personally (I am not saying which one, or which "me" - get it?):

"Payment info on file will not be sufficient. The payment info must be in use."

Good enough? No? Move on. YOU ARE OBSESSING!

I live in the UK and have payment info on file and used a debit card with SL, but haven't given any specific age verification details (nor do I wish to give them my passport no.).

When I went to some linden test landmark someone gave me that only allows verified people on the land, it let me through and I was able to walk around without getting kicked off.

..go figure *shrugs*

PIOF and PIU are all that is needed to be account verified, CC cannot be used for age verification that is why LL are saying account rather than age verification, especially when in the UK, as well as other countries a 13 year old can hold a prepaid CC. Aristotle is another flag that can be used as well although Aristotle is fatally flawed as well seeing that it accepts dead peoples information and you are not breaking any rules using that either and LL are aware of it and don't seem to mind when asked about it

Also Aristotle does not conform to the EU Safe Harbor rules so be wary about submitting personal data to them more links to Aristotle and the verification process can be found here:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/SL_Verification_(Age_%26_Payment)_-_Issues_and_Information

At the interview with some Lindens by Copper Robot last night amidst rather iffy vague answers PIOF and PIU was still mentioned as ok however in a jaw dropping display of fudge i suspect nothing will be set in stone until the next official statement/blog whatever even then if homesteads are enything to go by...they could still change their minds on anything...welcome to predictability...

That's fine, and if you had presented it this way at the beginning, we wouldn't be having this subthread. I'll even believe you that your memory is absolutely correct and accurate about this conversation, but I won't believe that LL could not have changed their mind. I don't even know if the LL you quoted is in a position to speak with that much authority, or may have been mistaken.

You don't need to pull out quotes or links to prove absolutely everything, but for some types of statements you do, so be careful with your wording. Saying "This is LL policy" is very different from saying "I remember a conversation in which a LL said this would be the policy."

To be fair, Melita, when somone posts something that is of such great interest to many people, as this is, then it's good to be able to back it up. But this is how it's gone so far...

First you made a statement of fact - (no "imo", "from what I understand", or anything like that):-

Then you implied that there is at least one link to the Linden statement where you learned that fact....

The last paragraph indicates the link(s).

The some time later, you said that the Lindens told it to you, and you still implied that there is at least one link to somewhere where it was written, but then you said something that we could infer as meaning that it was only told to you. It gets confusing:-

After that, you say that it was only told to you, and that there is no link to it:-


The particular piece of information that you say you've read matters to people, so it's perfectly understandable that people want to see where a Linden said it. With the way you went from links to no links, it's also understandable why you are being questioned about it. If it was written in the forum, as you implied, it would be much better if you would find it, rather than object to it being questioned, because you would recognise what you saw much easier than anyone else would. It wouldn't need 90 odd pages to be gone through. A simple search for posts by Blondin Linden will make it much easier and quicker. But even 90 odd pages wouldn't take long to go through. Linden posts are in a different colour so only they would need to be glanced at. The rest can be ignored.

For what it's worth, I don't believe that anyone would invent what you said, so I am sure that something to that effect has been written or said, or that something was misunderstood.

I'm From the Uk
I don't have a passport nor driving licence
My main and alts have payment on file through Paypal which I am pretty dubious about at the moment considering the mount of Lindens which seem to be withdrawn from my bank sometimes 4 times a day ?
Also my payapl account has been hacked before but I do not have a credit card
Plus VAT on virtual shit? what the hell is that about

If you're paying via paypal you're account verified and don't need to worry much about age verification.



The trough snouting gits in the European Union.

Quite agree ... the worse thing UK did was join the EU
That has put the UK in the shit hole it is today