denied Access to Adult areas!

They did on the Teen Grid, maybe that's a the testing ground !

*snerks* Actually, you have to jump through more hoops to get on the teen grid.. which is why most of the teens are on the main grid

Actually, I think land is the cheapest I have seen it since I started in early 2007 -- down to 1.2-3.0 L$ per sqm.

So no more sexbeds in private homes?

Or do you mean COMMERCIAL adult content?



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Commercial, or anything open to the public. Private homes are fine. First time you invite your friends over for a private orgy, they can get you... if someone see's and files an Ar. You and your partner in your own home is fine.

It will likely be a witch hunt.. but here's hoping not.


~Brie

Well... that would be an attempt to enforce monogamy on people in SL, which would just be fraught with all kinds of other problems.

If you can have one person in bed, I have serious doubts they'd be policing against private parties.

Where is the text of this conversation?

Not that I'm planning one. Lol.

But, wouldn't that be private too - if invitation were required, and it was not in search or open to the general public?

This is consistent with what I have read.
I have never read anything that suggests this is true. If the orgy is not in public and was not advertised via search then how many partners you are with is irrelevant, it is still fine on mature land.

Not intending to sound argumentative, but have you heard anything to suggest that it *isn't* true?

Linden Labs repeatedly ignored any and all questions asking them to clarify what the definition of "public" was in the context of adult content, and to my knowledge they still have no workable definition that the've seen fit to enlighten us with. It won't surprise me at all when the first story comes out about how someone was evicted from their land during a 2 week break from SL because some random person "exploring" found their non-banlined house and started making themselves at home, becase the hot tub was "outside" and therefore "public".

I have read every statement and question/answer that I have been aware of and that has been publicly posted on the forums/blog and from posted transcripts of office hours as have a lot of people who keep up to date with this kind of stuff.
Whether or not enforcement is consistent with their statements of what is policy is anybody's guess and equally applies to Brieanne's claim's. I was making no statement about enforcement - just stated policy and I have the items I listed to back up my assertions whereas nothing that has ever been posted publicly by or on behalf of LL has ever said that private orgies are against policy on mature mainland.
I hope that clears that up for you.

Understood, and you're right, I was mixing policy together with enforcement. And I also agree that I too have seen LL specify that the policy is that adult behavior is OK on mature mainland as long as it's done "in private".

My question was more focused on my observation that LL never made any attempt to clarify what "private" actually meant. So I don't think it's unreasonable to question whether or not "inviting a group of friends over for an orgy" will really be considered "private" from a policy standpoint (considering especially that at one point in the discussion Blondin I believe made a comment to the effect that "word of mouth" *might* be considered a type of "advertising".

I tried reading all the posts on the Adult BS when it first kicked off, and I'm *still* unsure where my build fits in.

I built a home early after joining, somewhere away from the madding crowds when I wanted somewhere private to enjoy company. I soon realised I liked the idea of offering this place to others who also wanted somewhere less laggy, busy, public. I found I'd built a place that just felt too big and empty for the infequent times I had need, and liked the idea of giving something back so to speak by leaving my doors open to others.

Over time I improved the build, and still call it my home. However, the doors aren't locked, visiters are welcome (so long as they stick to the rules), and aside from a donation box (collection plate, actually) I ask for no money in this. I have a few friends who like yo relax as well as play there, and they're more than welcome to bring guests back too. There is no "theme" as such, but there is certainly the idea of it being for what is now called "adult" activities. There is a group, but that is seldom used, and is mainly to be able to keep regular guests and friends informed of any changes that might happen.

So, I take no money, I have no other "home", but I let strangers use my facilities. Sometimes there may be informal gatherings of people who are less than clothed and just chatting I do not consider it a club (I do consider it somewhere that may be of use after finding a partner at a club, if more privacy is desired), and it is most definitely not commercial. Yet I have a feeling it should be classed as Adult rather than Mature from the general vibe given off by LL. This is one of the reasons I am still renting land, I do not want to buy mature mainland to find others perception is I must be on Adult land. And given Zindra land is no doubt going to sell for ludicrous amounts, I can't see me afford ing land when it does go up for sale.

I am currently on an estate which is very.. Liberal.. regarding sex, and feel far more relaxed than ever before. I leave it to the estate manager to work out what tag needs to be used, so far as I am concerned I am renting land on a fairly sexually themed estate and have a home on said land where sexually themed things happen. But, if I were to try and save a little by going premium and getting mainland, try to feel more secure in my land rights, then I'd be completely befuddled and stressed by this whole Adult thing. I still think it's been a terribly implented policy, with PR and justification that makes no sense whatsoever to anyone capable of comprehending words laid before them. I did nearly quit Sl after hearing about the proposals, and I still have an uneasy feeling this is merely the thin end of a very puritan wedge.

Well LL always leave themselves wiggle room, but really a private residence is a pretty easy determination to make I should think, even for them. On the word of mouth thing, if you are telling everyone you meet that there will be an orgy at such and such a place then yes I can see how LL might interpret that as advertising and public still. However if you happen just to have multiple partners and the whole thing is still not open to the public for participation then I doubt anyone would consider that as word of mouth but again enforcement isn't something I would really want to speculate too much about as LL are unpredictable.

The policy requires "publicly promoted adult content" to be on adult land, which they have mostly claimed involves a parcel listed in search, and using adult terms in the search listings.

The Governance Team is known for random enforcement of the rules, but if you do not advertise in search and are located on a private estate, you are most likely not required to be on adult land.

Exactly because of the vagueness of their answers about where the line is, I set up this page to track what the Governance Team has actually *done* about it:

http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions
http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Governance_Team_Actions

So far, most of the actions recorded have been about who got the Zindra land swaps and who didn't, which informs us somewhat about what they think is "adult". As the upcoming search changes and full enforcement of the policy starts, I expect to see more stories posted about things like your situation.

Well, the extent to which one may rely on such assurances is maybe a moot point, since the left hand at Linden Labs doesn't always seem to know what it's doing, let alone the right hand, but Blondin has told us that orgies are OK.. so long as they aren't advertised: /352/11/314444/228.html#post2405967

Ok, just to clear up the confusion... read what i said. If someone sees you and files an AR. I didn't say it was against the rules. I didn't say it was policy. i said IF SOMEONE SEES YOU AND FILES AN AR. Gteam is KNOWN for action first, question later.

That was the point of saying it will likely be a witch hunt. Its well known to all of us that have been following this from the start that the mass population does NOT know about any of this. When the auctions start, and the letters go out about flagging Private Islands ADULT, there will, in fact, be the reams of over zealous people that start sending AR's about any and everything *THEY* think is adult, and should be done *elsewhere*.

This whole ordeal has been handled in such a shoddy matter, that it seems to be rooted in pegging the residents against each other.

~Brie

That can be true of any AR even for this:

LMAO! There are so many easy ways to get this fixed

ONE easy way: Just create an Paypal account - its done in 2 mins

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Hey, Since getting some advice from Coretx, and a second life mentor, Managed to see that payment information is in fact in my profile. Returning to second life, i ticked show all content, and now, i have no problem acccessing previosly banned areas.

So looks like I be staying, but still bit annoyed that i had no knowledge of this change when i returned to second life, im not a mind reader u know.

looks like other folk have bigger problems than me now, hope they all get sorted soon, beta applications have a lot of bugs/strange things that sometimes need/ and will probably get sorted.

All i need to do is re activate my account, but guess what, the link i got in the email i had from LL, returns an error 404 page not find, so now i cant re activate my account at momment , anybody know how to re activate an account on hold?

Thanks for all replies, sorry being bull head, suppose im one of those "Come dine With me moaners" from television XD btw had paypal account many months

We know, we complained about that too, a lot. They freaking changed the Community Standards page one day without telling anyone, and that's one of the two top policy pages.

The fundamental reality is SL is a beta product, and is always changing. They treat us that way too. Expecting us to all know it's beta, in constant flux, and that we keep up with all the changes. The lack of product documentation is so bad, that they have ended up quoting stuff *I* wrote on the wiki as gospel. I found that tremendously funny.

Yes, you and I know know this, but people had started asking, "what about orgies" (or I thought they had) and my point was that the number of participants is immaterial. If you are on mature land, the question is whether or not someone can see what you're up to in your hot tub to complain about it rather than how many people are in the tub with you.

I wholly agree about the dangers of over-zealous folks firing off ARs. It's why my residential tenants on my islands are pleased I'm going to flag them as Adult -- not because they want to hold orgies particularly, either indoors or outdoors, but because they just don't want to have to worry about whether whatever they're doing is visible or not, in case some chance, uninvited and officious visitor might take exception and complain about it.

I understood the post, no need to shout.

Someone can see you while you are inside your home, if they cam inside. So it would not be ARable and not a reason to force anyone to move to Zindra. Not as things currently stand, at least.

You're assuming if someone ARs it, right or wrong, a move to Zindra will follow, regardless. It isn't so.

Brie can, and doubtless will, speak for herself, but I rather assume that the consequences of an AR on private individuals will be a suspension rather than a move to Zindra, so, if someone lives on mature land then it might, for example, be prudent to move the hot-tub indoors if you intend to use some of the menus on it, or risk getting suspended for a bit -- thus, incidentally, spoiling your chances of becoming a gold star preferred retailer or whatever they're thinking of calling it.