SL lack od policing and fraudulent rentals.

Sadly, yeterday night I had to wonder about the lack of policing and justice that can be found in SL and how companies go away with it, not getting pusnished at all.

Today I will be talking about RGF RENTALS, a company wich accordidng to their covenants cares about their customers, and nothing farther from reality, I will describe what happened to my partner and I.

We were looking for a diferent rentals and stumbled upong RGF rentals, wich offered nice plots for a incredible good money, small purchase fee and afordable tiers. In fact what their land dealers offered us was a 1980 prim 6656 sqm parcel for 548 L$ purchase and 3000L$ weekly tier.
What was our surprise when nearly a week later we find out there was a a secret "Bonus prims" hat were never exlained, the land was supposed to have a "free" 30% prims, fun stuf is we were never told.... interesting since we talked to 4 diferent land dealers from the company before purchase. Even better! we started having rez problems when we reached 1100 prims from the promised 1980.

Th thing is we were informed of howitworked when I decided to contact one of the company managers, who said THEY would not provide what was OFERED and even less refund the money for the coming week that was payed in advance, not only lies, but neglecting to refund for a service wich ahas not been given, and in any case wouldnt be to the standards on day of purchase.

The first contact not only was not fructiferous, but my partner and I felt horribly harrased by the treatment. We contacted another manager and showed the log, again she said nothing could be done, well, she offered moving us onto another land with the same standards, something the firstmanager said he could do... but he wouldnt because he hated doing that..... IMPRESSIVE. At least this second manager conducted us to the company owner.

And the same story started again, the owner denied every responsibility on us being sold a parcel and being given something FAR worse... shall I remember that we were buying in a residential area wich was filled by laggy clubs and shops? nah... we could stand that....
The owner among other things said he couldnt give us a refund cause he had no money... that he gave it all to LL..... great.... only a couple minutes before he told us he was in the TOP 4 land owners... hell yeah, sure... Rich Grainger... if you are reading this... you are a liar.

The interesting stuff doesnt end here, when we investigated a little... we found this guy Rich Grainger, owner of the company, was not the grou creator ok.... but wait.... the account to wich the moeny fees are given is a diferent one. Sofiamarie Anthony. but wait... cause ethe owner of the land where the oficce is set is yet another diferent one....

Seriously, Linden Lab should take care to deal with people like this taht give a bad name and discourage people form making bussines inworld.

And all in all.... dont rent with RGF STATES unless you like to get scammed, period.

IBT IBTL

better off paying that extra bit of money and buying from a reckognized land dealer. i've had small run-ins twice years ago and ever since then i stuck to the big dog land dealers....never had a issue yet.

Fructiferous?

Pep (Why do I think there might have been a communications problem somewhere along the way?)

You need to take the names out, you can't name and shame here no matter how badly treated you feel.

Bonus prims are a land bonus that makes a plot appear to be able to support more prims than standard, but those prims have to come from somewhere. So if you had 1024 offering 468 prims, which is double prims, then somewhere on the island they'd have to have a 1024 with no prims at all on it.

The parcel size you describe should support around 1522 prims standard, add a 1.3 prim bonus and it's around 1978. The island would have to be full to its prim limit for you to be having rezz issues at 1100.

They probably wanted a banana and they didn't get a banana. What's the problem?

Sounds logical to me...

If there was a comunications problem would come from their side since having lived in the UK for a couple years and worked in a big company with people under my lead I am sure my eglish understanding to be above the standards if only with a few hickups, just change that for "fruitful, productive"
Im Impressed from the whole post that's all you noted out xD

I just want to have people avoid this land dealers, they should get bd feedback for a bad service, that's how the world works when there is no justice

We need an SL Better Business Bureau, not policing/policies.

The reputation is all they have, take that, not thier money, land, etc. Now, that I have read about this company, I will not ever do business with them. That punishes them. Policies/policing just make for more trouble.

I have found that the main communications problems happen with people who don't realise that they have communications problems.

Pep (As is obvious from your "eglish"

when I saw that word I KNEW you were gonna grab it

IBTL

The fact remains that, according to forum rules, you can't do it here. There is no justice -- at least not in this forum. You need to remove names from your opening post.

Oh, *I* knew what it meant *and* what he meant it to mean; it made it fairly evident that the OP was not only in the ESL group, but in that seriously misguided part of it that thought no-one would notice!

Pep (once upon a time worked with a Danish guy that, for his reports in English, used a thesaurus to replace every word between four and six letters with a longer one; hysterical!)

I have found that the main communication problems happen with people who are not prepared to meet another person half-way.

I have noticed considerable problems with deluded people who think they are half-way and are actually about 5% along.

Pep (compromise is having your head in the oven and your feet in a fridge)

Kindly take your head out of your ass.

It isn't, but if it was, it would still communicate better than most of the posters and apologists for slovenly incompetence here.

Pep (You remind me of my 13 year old son, who uses such "devastating" responses in lieu of logical argument; are you age verified?)

A logical argument? With someone whos only way to shoot their goo is to correct peoples grammar and spelling mistakes on a forum, and then pat themselves on the back for a job well done?

Hmm... let me check my diary...

This should be adressed by LL, So many People getting scammed on estate land , i only have a small rental business but encountered atleast 6/7 victim's inworld for new land this last year.
I also saw countless complaints on the forum, so the real problem has to be Far Far Worse !?


btw: IBTL ? , i dont think there's any forum moderators left ?


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If you come to RGF on region : Radio 182, 18, 21
I will personally give you any size land you lost free, with free tiers for the time you lost.
I did ban two people yesterday for bad language, but I will un-ban if they IM me.

We never issue refunds and do not have covenants at rgf.
A covenant is a one-way legal instrument the pre-dates the Magna Carta (which is where some of our CONTRACT law is based and with which many people confuse the term COVENANT) and is mentioned in the Hebrew Torah.

Enforcing a contract can apply to either party.
An estate owner cannot be directed by a covenant as he/she has issued such.
For this reason we do not have covenants, as we have no requirements of our residents.

btw, the is a much larger rant on my corruption, search my name on google.

My covenants are useful because they document, in writing, expectations of both parties BEFORE money changes hands.

.d

Documented yes, but not enforceable against you, the very definition prevents such.
The covenant is useful to those who like to point out the buyer agreed to the rules, I find this unnecessary as rules are not needed on most of our estates.
We have found by giving away free land to anyone that complains, we eliminate the need for debate. Sure I lose money, but we are too busy to argue with what most times is a person who has not read the SL FAQ.

Good to see Im not the only one who thinks this way about this company of liars an scammers.....

http://foo.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2009/01/rich-grainger-coating-the-world-in-a-warm-blanket-of-software.html

Read comments under this completely infamous interview...

Well, if this works for you great.

I like to help people in my estates. I see providing education as part of my job as a landlord.

.d

"Whos"? "Shoot their goo"? "Peoples"? ROFLMAO! You obviously fall into that category of self-deluding ESLer inadequate communicators, since you signally fail to understand the underlying argument and think you are expressing yourself effectively.

Pep (How young did you claim not to be?)

I don't even need to express myself effectively. You're proving my point better than I ever could be bothered to. I'll leave ya to it.