Leaving SL in the coming months. Is it possible to sell an account and assets?
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Chilly Charlton
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04-12-2008 17:03
I have heard rumors that it is actually possible to transfer an account and inventory and that this has been done with business accounts before.
I'm leaving SL and have years of scripting content which may be worth something to someone but many of the security features are hard coded to my avatar and would take quite a bit of work to re-fit.
I am of course leaving because of the morals of the owners of SL and will wait until there is a better place to build and play in. Linden Labs has lost sight of thier dream, it sickens me.
So anyone know if the rumors are true? Can an account be transfered within the "rules"?
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Colette Meiji
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04-12-2008 17:05
The advertised answer is no ..
But some people have done it through LL.
The transfer fee has been mentioned as $100 US
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Chilly Charlton
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04-12-2008 17:06
Thank you Colette I will make some calls.
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Macphisto Angelus
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04-12-2008 17:08
From the knowledge base: From: someone
You may not transfer your Account to any third party without the prior written consent of Linden Lab; notwithstanding the foregoing, Linden Lab will not unreasonably withhold consent to the transfer of an Account in good standing by operation of valid written will to a single natural person, provided that proper notice and documentation are delivered as requested by Linden Lab.
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417
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Macphisto Angelus
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04-12-2008 17:14
Just found this on transfering accounts in the knowledge base as well: From: someone Can I transfer my account to another person? In accordance with Paragraph 2.4 of our Terms of Service, specifically: You may not transfer your Account to any third party without the prior written consent of Linden Lab; notwithstanding the foregoing, Linden Lab will not unreasonably withhold consent to the transfer of an Account in good standing by operation of valid written will to a single natural person, provided that proper notice and documentation are delivered as requested by Linden Lab.
You may not transfer your account to another person while you are still alive. If you wish, you may bequeath your account to someone else in your will. So it looks like No is the answer. https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417
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Colette Meiji
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04-12-2008 17:19
Yes but there have been people who have posted here in the forums they have transfered accounts officially through LL
for $100 US handling.
Has been quite a while now so finding one of the threads might be difficult. The last one I believe they said they had transfered it in order to Sell an entire SL business.
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Sensual Anaconda
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04-12-2008 17:21
The only way to find out is to ask LL in writing. Asking here won't get you any help.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-12-2008 17:25
If you don't get the answer you want the first time, I'd try asking someone else.
I also seem to recall reading that people have transferred accounts with LL's knowledge and permission.
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Macphisto Angelus
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04-12-2008 17:27
From: Colette Meiji Yes but there have been people who have posted here in the forums they have transfered accounts officially through LL for $100 US handling. Has been quite a while now so finding one of the threads might be difficult. The last one I believe they said they had transfered it in order to Sell an entire SL business. Here is an old thread where it is said a few times that it has been done. Usagi says she has seen it. /327/88/244333/1.html
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Colette Meiji
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04-12-2008 17:34
Yes I remember that thread.
There have been others from time to time over the years.
One really werid one was someone who wanted to buy old unused accounts for their RP community , so they would have "older names"
He wanted to buy them for around 1000L ....
The $100 US price seemed to annoy him quite a bit
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Maximillian Desoto
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04-12-2008 19:39
From: Chilly Charlton
I am of course leaving because of the morals of the owners of SL and will wait until there is a better place to build and play in. Linden Labs has lost sight of thier dream, it sickens me.
[/QUOTE Can I have your stuff? So I guess the lawsuit is off? Max 
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-12-2008 20:46
I'd like to know more about the security features being hard coded to an avatar.
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Lee Ponzu
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04-13-2008 10:58
It is hard to imagine how or why Linden Lab would bother to check to see what real person logs in as an avatar.
If they did discover that you had handed over an avatar login and password to another person, they could try to ban you. Again, seems somewhat unlikely.
Then, you and the other person could sue them. I bet you would win.
There are many, many couples of small group that publicly share access to a single avatar. To get rid of you, they would have to go after everyone.
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Annabelle Babii
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04-13-2008 11:08
From: Chilly Charlton I am of course leaving because of the morals of the owners of SL and will wait until there is a better place to build and play in. Linden Labs has lost sight of thier dream, it sickens me.
So anyone know if the rumors are true? Can an account be transfered within the "rules"? So let me get this straight - You think LL is unethical and unfair, and you would like to stop doing business with them, but first you would like them to do a favour for you? If you truly believe the first part, you should have no expectation of the second. Conversely, if you expect the second, is the first part really true?
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Xio Jester
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04-13-2008 13:42
From: someone You may not transfer your Account to any third party without the prior written consent of Linden Lab; notwithstanding the foregoing, Linden Lab will not unreasonably withhold consent to the transfer of an Account in good standing by operation of valid written will to a single natural person, provided that proper notice and documentation are delivered as requested by Linden Lab. Folks keep sayin "No" is the answer, but LL said "not without our consent", so looks like "Yes, but there is some red tape" is really the answer. ^^^
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Macphisto Angelus
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04-13-2008 14:15
From: Xio Jester Folks keep sayin "No" is the answer, but LL said "not without our consent", so looks like "Yes, but there is some red tape" is really the answer. ^^^ This is why no seems to be the answer: From: someone You may not transfer your account to another person while you are still alive. If you wish, you may bequeath your account to someone else in your will Willing your avatar and assets is a different thing then handing it over while alive. It is said some have done this in the past, but nobody has a name to point to and say "that is who did it". So the official answer is No from LL.
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Tarina Sewell
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04-13-2008 14:31
Just one question, if I am dead how am I going to ask to transfer my account to someone else? Should I revise my will??? omg.. this is way to complicated.. I better not die... "You may not transfer your account to another person while you are still alive." /me giggles.. well duh!
I honestly feel that policy is not realistic as you have many couples who share billing information and yes, use each others accounts.. I know it's against the policy, but how does one explain to their partner, no you can not use my avatar because it is against the rules, you will just have to trust that I have no excite parts in inventory..
Now on the other hand.. I respect their trying to cover their own ass in this situation but revisions should be made....imho
can you not keep your scrips on your own pc?? Are these not copy paste things??
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Conan Godwin
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04-13-2008 14:32
You can sell an account, just don't let LL know about it. I know people that have bought accounts. You just have to trust each other is all, because you basically sell the password.
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Macphisto Angelus
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04-13-2008 14:36
From: Conan Godwin You can sell an account, just don't let LL know about it. I know people that have bought accounts. You just have to trust each other is all, because you basically sell the password. You can change the password, it is the name etc that I would be afraid to pass around.
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Conan Godwin
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04-13-2008 14:39
From: Macphisto Angelus You can change the password, it is the name etc that I would be afraid to pass around. What I was driving at is that money changes hands in exchange for a password - so who goes first? Does the buyer send the money and trusts that the seller will give them the password? Or vice versa? That's where the trust comes in.
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Macphisto Angelus
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04-13-2008 14:41
From: Conan Godwin What I was driving at is that money changes hands in exchange for a password - so who goes first? Does the buyer send the money and trusts that the seller will give them the password? Or vice versa? That's where the trust comes in. I would think owner of account gets cash first. Risky anyway you look at it for someone, but at least Chilly has a long history and reputation in SL so that may ease the trust factor some for somebody.
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Conan Godwin
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04-13-2008 14:44
From: Macphisto Angelus I would think owner of account gets cash first. Risky anyway you look at it for someone, but at least Chilly has a long history and reputation in SL so that may ease the trust factor some for somebody. In Chilly's specific case, perhaps. I still say it's an awful big leap to trust anyone enough on both the buyer and the seller's part. If some pillar of the community were able to build up enough of a reputation for trustworthiness, there could be a lot of money to be made as a virtual ESCROW agent for these kind of black market transactions.
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Macphisto Angelus
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04-13-2008 14:46
From: Conan Godwin In Chilly's specific case, perhaps. I still say it's an awful big leap to trust anyone enough on both the buyer and the seller's part. If some pillar of the community were able to build up enough of a reputation for trustworthiness, there could be a lot of money to be made as a virtual ESCROW agent for these kind of black market transactions. No doubt about that. I have seen Sims Online and Guild Wars accounts getting some pretty tidy amounts when Ebay allowed that sort of thing.
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Conan Godwin
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04-13-2008 14:48
From: Macphisto Angelus No doubt about that. I have seen Sims Online and Guild Wars accounts getting some pretty tidy amounts when Ebay allowed that sort of thing. I always wondered how much Blizzard and EA must have paid eBay to ban sale of MMORPG accounts. There is no other reason for eBay to have done so - they didn't gain anything by banning it, and lost nothing by allowing it.
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Macphisto Angelus
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04-13-2008 14:52
From: Conan Godwin I always wondered how much Blizzard and EA must have paid eBay to ban sale of MMORPG accounts. There is no other reason for eBay to have done so - they didn't gain anything by banning it, and lost nothing by allowing it. Yep. Something happened behind the scenes on that one. Virtual goods were a pretty big market for awhile. Hell, I bought a few weapons for Guild Wars when I started. I thought it was a great.
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