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Broccoli Curry
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02-11-2008 01:30
From: Yumi Murakami
This is where it gets a bit scary though.. if they're using it for infrastructure things that's fine, but if they're using it for entire destinations then it _does_ feel a bit FICcy because others who might want to build similar things will wind up having to pay.


The concept seemed to work fairly well for the "Infohub" project a year or so back, and the "railway station" idea last year, didn't it?

Rather than "here's a free bit of land, do something with it", we're more likely to see applications invited for specific things in specific areas, as people have mentioned parks, marinas, transport networks, stations etc. My guess is it'll only ever be smallish plots, or specific little projects in slightly larger areas - I doubt we'll see half a sim being given over to a resident to build "something" free of charge.
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02-11-2008 01:54
From: Broccoli Curry
The concept seemed to work fairly well for the "Infohub" project a year or so back, and the "railway station" idea last year, didn't it?

Rather than "here's a free bit of land, do something with it", we're more likely to see applications invited for specific things in specific areas, as people have mentioned parks, marinas, transport networks, stations etc. My guess is it'll only ever be smallish plots, or specific little projects in slightly larger areas - I doubt we'll see half a sim being given over to a resident to build "something" free of charge.


Scattered smaller builds would make sense.
Large flagship builds would be in danger of being hyped to the extent that they might become crowded and laggy.
Small innovative builds of good quality would introduce more variety in the landscapes and might inspire others to attempt similar things in their own small plots.
Broccoli Curry
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02-11-2008 02:10
From: Sling Trebuchet
Small innovative builds of good quality would introduce more variety in the landscapes and might inspire others to attempt similar things in their own small plots.

Absolutely. It takes much more skill to build something decent on 4096 sq m than it does to fill a sprawling sim.

I recently discovered the Straylight sim and Kriss Lehmann's work... quite breathtaking. That's the sort of thing SL should be consisting of, not laggy boxy malls and clubs, and hopefully these kind of projects will encourage beautification of the grid.
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Damanios Thetan
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02-11-2008 02:24
My suggestion to public works:

Make everything out in the sim copy/mod/trans and either 'take copy' of buy-able for all.
Or available in the library. Preferably with the used textures in the library, easily findable.

Why?
Because it allows people to extend on these elements introduced in the sim. and makes it a lot easier to create a more integrated look.
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02-11-2008 03:18
Improvements and all see over over is Roads or rail seems he construction industry is well represenred here too we need more roads more roads and more roads ???

Why in a land were most just goo woosh tp fly jump do we need road as improvements?
They are eysore in SL Rl moon anywhere ugly black ribbon

I say scrap all road convert to nice walk way paths parks relax strolls

One thing unwanted is road which woyld just draw applause of consruction industry car lovers and associates

forget the past go green at the walks places to stroll with pets and most bicycle paths but no road

they are ugly and irrelevant in a world of TP and flight
Broccoli Curry
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02-11-2008 03:27
From: Midori Rotaru
forget the past go green at the walks places to stroll with pets and most bicycle paths but no road they are ugly and irrelevant in a world of TP and flight


Some people enjoy driving vehicles, bikes or whatever.

If you just point-to-point tp, you miss out on so much.

I like roads. I enjoy riding my bicycle. It's just hard sometimes to find somewhere to ride it.
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02-11-2008 03:56
From: Cristalle Karami
All linden water is at rest. Except for a meniscus, water doesn't sit at an angle. It only makes sense that water at rest should sit level. If you want running water, you have to use prims.

Yes trouble is many boats don't work so well on prim water and seamlessly joining prim water to natrual water is impossible. The neighbouring sims prim water is 5m above so you get a creek where the wall of water stops on the prim boundry.
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Dekka Raymaker
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02-11-2008 04:14
From: Broccoli Curry
The concept seemed to work fairly well for the "Infohub" project a year or so back, and the "railway station" idea last year, didn't it?

Rather than "here's a free bit of land, do something with it", we're more likely to see applications invited for specific things in specific areas, as people have mentioned parks, marinas, transport networks, stations etc. My guess is it'll only ever be smallish plots, or specific little projects in slightly larger areas - I doubt we'll see half a sim being given over to a resident to build "something" free of charge.


Quote from a SIM builder "15000 prims? It's NOTHING!". Top SIM builders also build for prestige, and I'm sure if they don't get offered a large prim build, they're not going to be particularly motivated.

On another note, when I read the blog my first thoughts was that they would be improving the library overall for newbies, better skins, hair, clothes & shoes, for what they have on offer now is abysmal.
Broccoli Curry
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02-11-2008 04:47
From: Dekka Raymaker
Top SIM builders also build for prestige, and I'm sure if they don't get offered a large prim build, they're not going to be particularly motivated.


Phooey to them then. There's a lot of good quality builders who build because they ENJOY doing it, rather than just something to bring in the money.

People like that need to get their heads out of their butts. I have no time for their snobbishness. There's plenty of other good talented people out there who can probably do just as good a job, if not better, for a fraction of the price.
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02-11-2008 08:32
From: Dekka Raymaker

On another note, when I read the blog my first thoughts was that they would be improving the library overall for newbies, better skins, hair, clothes & shoes, for what they have on offer now is abysmal.

Ooooh how about changing that stupid default avatar waddle/walk to something NORMAL? It doesn't have to be a sexy walk or studly walk, just a normal walk that doesn't look totally freakish.
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02-11-2008 08:37
From: Oryx Tempel
Ooooh how about changing that stupid default avatar waddle/walk to something NORMAL? It doesn't have to be a sexy walk or studly walk, just a normal walk that doesn't look totally freakish.


Meanie!

The default Av walks were Motion captures of actual Lindens




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02-11-2008 08:58
From: Broccoli Curry
Some people enjoy driving vehicles, bikes or whatever.

If you just point-to-point tp, you miss out on so much.

I like roads. I enjoy riding my bicycle. It's just hard sometimes to find somewhere to ride it.


broccoli, try the extensive road system on heterocera. i've walked and motorbiked most of it.

eventually took the tug boat from the southern end to sansara. just began to traverse the road system there. maybe i'll meet you on the road sometime. ')
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02-11-2008 09:28
From: Broccoli Curry
Some people enjoy driving vehicles, bikes or whatever.

If you just point-to-point tp, you miss out on so much.

I like roads. I enjoy riding my bicycle. It's just hard sometimes to find somewhere to ride it.

Plus roads are fun to follow in a Helicopter at high speed at ground level. :cool:
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02-11-2008 10:03
From: Brenda Connolly
Plus roads are fun to follow in a Helicopter at high speed at ground level. :cool:


There's also good for flying over. I was doing that near the Lost Forest yesterday, before rezzing my Tako and heading to Clementina.

(Ya know, dat's actually a remarkable amount of fun, too)

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Alice Katayama
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02-11-2008 10:38
I have owned several locations, my current one is next to a finished road. it is VERY nice to be able to put your store entrance on a road, where I have my house is not on a road but close to my store and just as nice for not having the road. However, an undeveloped path between lots of ads is worse than having something to travel on. I vote for Roads, Rail then work on parks and sights!
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02-11-2008 12:53
From: Damanios Thetan
My suggestion to public works:

Make everything out in the sim copy/mod/trans and either 'take copy' of buy-able for all.
Or available in the library. Preferably with the used textures in the library, easily findable.

Why?
Because it allows people to extend on these elements introduced in the sim. and makes it a lot easier to create a more integrated look.


I second this. this will help long-standing parcel owners in mainland sims to keep a nice theme through-out the sim. Also, the builds should be very small and not encourage mass un-supervised gathering.
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Oryx Tempel
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02-12-2008 09:59
From: Lias Leandros
I second this. this will help long-standing parcel owners in mainland sims to keep a nice theme through-out the sim. Also, the builds should be very small and not encourage mass un-supervised gathering.

Wait, so are we still talking new and improved Infohubs, or roads, parks, what? If Infohubs, I think the "unsupervised" thing needs to be addressed. Since Infohubs sometimes have a tendency to get all-grieferized, I still believe that giving Mentors temporary eject/ban abilities for that one Infohub that they're assigned to is necessary.

In other words, revitalize the Mentor program and assign Mentors to specific builds; make them "House Managers" so to speak, of their builds.
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02-12-2008 16:01
From: Oryx Tempel
Wait, so are we still talking new and improved Infohubs, or roads, parks, what?


Part of Jack Linden's post:
From: Jack Linden
We’ll also be looking at new park areas, Linden folly builds, beautifying existing Linden land, better gathering places and seeding new mainland with themed builds.


So basically more 'InfoHubs' but they are now being called park areas and Linden folly builds. Still nothing about controlling the traffic of these unsupervised areas. Many of these builds are planned to be built in mainland sims that resident's own parcels in. These sims only allow 40 people in at one time. If the Lindens are going to promote these new parks in resident-owned-parcel sims - then the infohub problems will just increase.
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02-12-2008 16:06
From: Lias Leandros
So basically more 'InfoHubs' but they are now being called park areas and Linden folly builds. Still nothing about controlling the traffic of these unsupervised areas. Many of these builds are planned to be built in mainland sims that resident's own parcels in. These sims only allow 40 people in at one time. If the Lindens are going to promote these new parks in resident-owned-parcel sims - then the infohub problems will just increase.


QFT

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet and s**t by any other name stinks just as bad. The old Infohubs are completely out of control and are nothing but griefers paradise and hell holes for noobs, but the great idea is to build more of them and call them parks.

*shakes head
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02-12-2008 16:07
From: Lias Leandros
Part of Jack Linden's post:

So basically more 'InfoHubs' but they are now being called park areas and Linden folly builds. Still nothing about controlling the traffic of these unsupervised areas. Many of these builds are planned to be built in mainland sims that resident's own parcels in. These sims only allow 40 people in at one time. If the Lindens are going to promote these new parks in resident-owned-parcel sims - then the infohub problems will just increase.


That seems like a major problem. The infohubs are already worthless as infohubs. Perfect example is my flophouse, the Hanson Infohub. As far as ugly goes, it's better than most, but I defy anyone to find any really worthwhile info there. What a bunch of useless crap they give out. Right next door is an NCI Infohub which is loaded with excellent information, a bunch of freebies to get new folks started and is tastefully built. What a contrast! Plus, with the infohubs being totally unsupervised, they are havens for griefers and people who just want to act like A-holes. Witness Ahern. What a nightmare that dump is! Totally overcrowded, lagged all to hell, and people wooting and screaming and not actually accomplishing anything other than just annoying others.
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02-13-2008 05:03
From: Midori Rotaru
Improvements and all see over over is Roads or rail seems he construction industry is well represenred here too we need more roads more roads and more roads ???

Why in a land were most just goo woosh tp fly jump do we need road as improvements?
They are eysore in SL Rl moon anywhere ugly black ribbon

I say scrap all road convert to nice walk way paths parks relax strolls

One thing unwanted is road which woyld just draw applause of consruction industry car lovers and associates

forget the past go green at the walks places to stroll with pets and most bicycle paths but no road

they are ugly and irrelevant in a world of TP and flight


Well isn't 90% of sims not having roads enough for you? Why should all of SL conform to your world concept? Ribbons of green or purple or orange are ugly too. Others would have your support I guess when they declare bicycles, skateboards and horseriding as ugly too.
Perhaps we should scrap all water too as it only encourages the ugliness of waterbourne vehicles too, heck scrap the sky, people flying around without wings are ugly. we should just TP from room to room.
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