Do you have any suggestions for The Linden Department of Public Works

if this land was free then LL could reclaim it automaticly when hte land owner went out into the world and purchased a larger plot of his own tokeep abandoned plots frombeing left while joe polywog went into the world and made his way

set a meter limit on how much land could be owned before the 512 beginer lot reverted back to LL

I understand not everyone has the time I do to spend the time on textures.
If I make anything good its because I spend hours upon hours doing it and have
literally nothing else to do because often their isn't much I can do irl except this.
In real life I am bed bound 80 percent of time because I am very ill.
I was trained as graphic artist years ago but I never was able to complete the education.
I have auto immune condition that causes severe disorientation, exhaustion and pain.
When I first became seriously ill I was blessed with a computer, the sims, a art program
and desire to create because it was only thing that helped me briefly feel like I could do something.
Often though the graphics programs I start make things and half of time I would be
so sick and confused I would have to constantly have to relearn how to do things.
This went on literally for years.
When I first came to SL it was beta I was too ill and overwhelmed really to do much until last year, it was only last year with this alt I was able to make few friends that helped me figure out how to create stuff.
A friend I had briefly gave me a older version of Adobe Creative suite and I just finally started to get better at making things after sometimes literally working on projects sometimes for hours and hours, many fail attempts.
I don't make any money nor selling my art textures, I am just doing it for therapy.
On good day like the texture I have in signature it can take a few hours.
Others it make take weeks and numerous downloads to get right especially if I am doing by hand/mouse drawn complex texture mapping on grids.
I still haven't totally perfected drawing on grids yet.

I'm with you. Roads first and then the Railway. Can't believe I forgot about it. I love it those rare moments when I'm actually able to catch the train.

It's obvious from the blog comments and this forum that most people want roads. I can assure you that once again LL will not listen to its customers.



Add me in and we already got 6 hours covered. It's really pitiful what is happening at the infohubs to the noobs and it's such an easy fix that seems to be completely ignored.



Until they take action, such as Oryx has suggested above, any Linden gathering spot will be nothing but an abusive griefer haven. That makes this entire project worthless IMO as it's currently being explained. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they are doing something, but it's another example that the Lindens don't spend enough time in world anymore.

This really is an opportunity to make the Mainland more than a bunch of TP destinations, and instead tie together continents graphically and eventually socially. The road and rail networks can be key to this, after Havoc 4 reduces the pain at sim borders and the roadside adfarms are all removed or muted.

I do like the idea of being able to swap land with LL, especially from sims that have no existing Linden infrastructure at all. I'd gladly volunteer any of my land for "eminent domain" if they wanted to use it to build a park or extend a roadway (after adfarms are dead, of course).

One other thing: I'd make it a rule that any textures used in the LDPW work be made freely available for use within SecondLife. The current batch of "fresh" textures on the download page is well past its use-by date. And there's much to be said for being able to maintain some consistency--both in terms of appearance, and in image download performance.

Well, I just read this on the blog, from Jack Linden:

"Also, a few of you have mentioned roads. We certainly have the option in LDPW of tackling roads though initially we’ll hold off on that for several reasons. Firstly, we’re looking at what other options there are instead of prim roads, and secondly, prim roads can be difficult to place so long after the land either side has been bought. Not all residents will want a new highway beside them even if there is a Linden land gap present for it to sit on. So we’ll see how it goes re. road building."

Someone want to explain that to me?

People have been wanting roads finished more than anything else, and for a long, LONG time now.

So I am going to conclude this isn't about fixing the land for everyone as much as it is about some Linden agenda for some future thing or purpose they don't plan to tell us about.

1. What other options would there be BESIDES prim roads? Tubes, like the kind you put your deposit in, at the bank and it swooshes through? Or what, a moving sidewalk like in the airport?

2. I don't see this groundswell of residents who would be upset about a Linden road being put on Linden land which is ALREADY SITTING THERE VACANT.

3. I don't see how difficult it could be to put down a Linden road after things have been built on either side, assuming you already have the strip of Linden land sitting there waiting. So what, you might have to make it more narrow than you thought?

It all sounds like a big fat cop-out to me, and worse, like there is something going on behind this whole deal we don't know about.

I'm getting pretty fed up with this "we know what's best for you" Linden attitude.

And needless to say, anyone who knows me knows what I think - and HAVE thought, these three years now - about the Lindens picking out their friends or friends of their friends and giving these jobs to them.

As to later on looking at "how" (like it is such a big conundrum) they can allow others to volunteer, well, I'm not hold my breath, and I'll believe it when I see it.

coco

Coco, I distinctly remember a thread in here wherein someone bitched about the newly paved Linden road that went through their land. Granted, it could have been put down better, but it is a prime example of how someone could get pissy about the roads. Cobblestones put down at grade would have been better than the elevated asphalt blocks. But it wasn't as bad as the person thought (IMO).

Seeing that, I thought that maybe they might be toying with the idea of using terraforming and additional sim textures in areas where bridges and such aren't needed. Features like that are in an area that lots of people could use apart from roads, so it's a nice pipe dream if nothing else.

Cobblestones are good.

And I know there would be some few who would not like the roads.

But I am going by three years now of listening to how much people want the roads finished. (Not me, I already have roads in both the sims where I am.)

Heck, read that blog entry and the comments (I just finished it), and even after Jack blows off the roads, people keep telling him, roads, roads, roads!

Then there are the people who didn't read Jack's comment down in the comments, and are saying, "Yay, roads at last!" lol

There is some other reason, some other motivation. I've developed a pretty good nose for LL bull after three years, and I think there is something going on; there is something about this we do not know.

And it probably doesn't have much to do with us, or with what we want or don't want.

coco

Tell ya what. Any person who owns most of a sim, or who can get together with enough neighbors so that they together own most of a sim, and don't have anyone in the sim objecting, ought to petition Jack Linden for the ability to finish the damn roads in their sim.

Or at the very least, they should be able to request it done for them, and have it done.

Lindens just need to do the damn thing. What's it going to hurt anybody if the people in a sim want their road?

coco

I think the problem with this is the water table needs to be able to be set at an angle, I live in a sim that is between 2 other sims with water and have a gully running between the 2 sims through my land but the water in one sim is way higher than the other with mine inbetween and the differences requires a 10 degree angle of water so evidently LL gave up and just dropped the water table below what my gully can reach so I use prim water and dams to continue the water, which , I'm not sure why I bother

They wouldn't have to do roads, they could do garden pathways or rivers like some mentioned.

When does water ever sit at an angle? It doesn't.

All inland water travels down to the sea, so in theory most RL water is at an angle, thats why it flows.

I'm hoping they might mean roads textured onto the land. Which would be fantastic, as it means they're going to improve the existing land texturing algorithm where you have to set limits on each texture and then roll the dice and hope for the best.



It's just risk aversion, I expect. Some people might have liked having empty green land next to their home and if they change it to a road, in a world of a million people, _someone_ is going to complain.



It depends how tightly defined the job specifications are.

I am wondering if the Lindens are about to do something unpopular and are just setting up the Department of Public Works in order to carry out their plans. It certainly makes for a good tool in dealing with angry landowners if this were the case. Just something i was thinking about while reading this.

Traveling water will travel at an angle, but water will not rest at an angle. None of the linden water is traveling water.

I would hope that the work would not be kept to a few select individuals, rather opened up to anyone who can display the relevant level of competence so that all those who would like to have a go can do.

After all, there's a lot that needs doing. Not everyone who can lay a good road system is going to be an expert bridge builder, neither are they likely to have the scripting skills to make a working railroad, or create a park with trees, or ... etc etc.

Sure. But equally, if LL are saying "here's some land, build whatever you like as long as it looks good", then there could be FIC claims, but if they're saying "we need a road, lay us a nice road on these fixed land parcels" then that's really just straightforward work and it doesn't matter anywhere near as much.

I spent part of yesterday a today looking at some of the public (some LL owned like the ANWR seaway), some not, like the Rodeo Forest and Cowell Seaport) spaces in SL.

While I dun tink the idea of transportation options is what they're going for, I would hope they'd keep an open mind on this. I'd love to see more done with the rail system and the roads, especially with Havok 4 upon us. I've love to see more open waterways, with large marinas and simple landings -- especially if the waterways provide passages across the continents. Maybe above some passageways, a monorail. I've long to see stump airports and helicopter pads. Yes, I'd even love to see little motels and a good sized drive in theater along the road somewhere. A friend of mine has been keenly interested in the latter for some time.

It seems they more want destinations than ways to get there, though. I'm game for parks, myself, and would be glad to lend a hand to both botanical and family recreational type venues. I've long wanted to delve deeply into making a recreational parkland. Likewise, Id be glad to make a campground. Last project I did like that (before Livingtree) was the Kid Scout community park -- which heck, it needs a new home, too.

I would love to see some interesting water-based things. I love ANWR, an it is the sort of thing that could only exist as a LL owned place, at least how it is today. I'd love to see divable shipwrecks, coral reefs, and similar things. Maybe a full-scale oil tanker or such somewhere out in the void. I want to see the things that make a world a world, and make it fun to explore, ya know?

Dis is what makes the whole project sound exciting to me, too.

Mari

This is where it gets a bit scary though.. if they're using it for infrastructure things that's fine, but if they're using it for entire destinations then it _does_ feel a bit FICcy because others who might want to build similar things will wind up having to pay.

even if they're not paved ... REMOVE THE TREES from the middle of the road .. and all that scrub growing in the roads on the western side of heterocera. makes my motorcycle riding on them seem like an obstacle course.

Did you read the blog? This is a project using residents exclusively. It doesn't take any resources from LL.

Also Windlight isn't just an aesthetic enhancement. It is a complete rework of the shader and lighting system to make it more efficient and crash less. It is both a stability enhancement and a feature.

Also, we have Havoc 4 and Mono in beta, both things that will greatly enhance sim performance.

Then there's continued behind-the-scenes infrastructure work to make the grid more stable- recently major bugs in the asset system were resolved, reducing the occurrence of inventory loss. Sim handoffs- TPs and moving from one region to another- are also being worked on.

In short, nearly the entire thrust of LL at the moment is towards stability enhancements. What again, is your complaint?

Dredge the waterways on the Mainland. Many are too shallow to navigate in larger sailboats.

Water is water I have a natrual creek running between sims, and a 5m difference in water heights between each of the 3 sims, angled water is the only whay it could work. I tried joining prim water at an angle to windlight water and it just doesn't look the same. Not that I'd ever get control over the water table in my mainland sim to fix it anyway

All linden water is at rest. Except for a meniscus, water doesn't sit at an angle. It only makes sense that water at rest should sit level. If you want running water, you have to use prims.