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Good way to tell LL they're stupid?

2k Suisei
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01-27-2008 00:35
From: Wheezie Jefferson
How would you like someone to start a thread with the title
Good way to tell "Jessica Elytis" she's stupid for whatever reason that you gave the thread starter to piss you off?


It's not the same at all. She's targetting an organization not a single person.

Coca Cola sucks!!!

Is anybody offended by me dissing Coca Cola?.

I thought not...
Raymond Figtree
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01-27-2008 00:38
From: 2k Suisei
It's not the same at all. She's targetting an organization not a single person.

Coca Cola sucks!!!

Is anybody offended by me dissing Coca Cola?.

I thought not...
Just this guy:



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01-27-2008 02:33
One good way to tell LL they are stupid would be to get a picture of each staff member, and get a "Books on Demand" printer to produce a customized dictionary for each each staff member. The employee's picture would be included in the the definition of stupid with a caption like "This person is stupid." Mail these to LL.

Other good ways to tell LL they are stupid would be to have a full building wrap done on one of the skyscrapers in downtown SF. which giant magenta and green letters spelling out the "LL is stupid" message.

A skywriting plane spelling out "LL is stupid!" every day for a month would probably make the point.

The Goodyear blimp has electric signage that could be brought into play in spreading this message.

Maybe you could get some major soft drink makers to print this on the inside of bottle caps. That would be kind of odd, getting a drink and finding "LL is stupid!" in such an unlikely place.

I suppose one could use prims at the right height and location to display this message on the map inworld.

Coordinate blog replies so the first letter of a number of replies in sequence spells out "LL is stupid!".

Sneakily acquire their driver's licences and put a little teeny strip of paper with the word Stupid! on it over top of where their name goes.
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01-27-2008 02:52
From: someone
I'm just sick and tired of people using words like "stupid" when talking about people that have designed the most advanced metaverse ever to reach even a portion of it's potential.


Oh really I want to play in your part of sl? :rolleyes: I think we are farther behind then what you think love. If you call this "most advanced metaverse ever" then you really eitehr are misguided or worse brainwashed by LLABS. If people really believe this world is so advanced then anyother. Well in some ares yes. But UI and LLABS side its sadly lacking. "STUPID" as someone pointed out only applies when people had "ENOUGH" of the broken and totally laughable programmers at times. Mind you There are a few in the LLABS work force that break their tails every day. Others are just a waste of human resourses.
People are intitled to your thoughs here right? So be alittle repectful and don`t take remarks out of context.
SL has alot more grewing to do inside and out to reach any forms of GREATNESS.
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01-27-2008 04:03
I understand where you're coming from Jessy... And I also get that you are not calling them retards, they clearly have the capability to get out of bed and walk out of the house to go buy some toilet paper, but do they give a shit about the people who spend hundreds and thousands of RL Dollars on their "most advanced metaverse ever?" Who is it that they do care about?

A few months ago, I changed banks...a simple thing to do for most people. You go to paypal, activate your new bank account, put in your new debit number...takes about a week at most. I had it all taken care of before my account payment was due, so I believed I had no problems. I had just purchased 50,000L and bought a piece of land to begin building my business. I spent 2 days building the actual building, and 2 more days hiring help and getting the place ready for the grand opening. On the day of the grand opening, when I tried to log in, guess what! My account was disabled due to non payment. To make a long story short, it took 2 weeks before they resolved my problem and they also took my land back when the payment didn't go through. And don't let me forget to mention that they did not give me back my 50,000L. I had to buy it again. Even in the end, they admitted that it was their fault that my paypal account was declined. The only reason I stayed was because I have already put too much money into the SLuniverse to just cut my losses.

Now, when that happens to you, are you still going to take up for them? I appreciate that they created this world for us, but in the end, they didn't create it for us. They created it as a way to make a living. They really do not give a shit about us users of SL. All they care about is that they can buy 15 cars and 5 mansions and sit up on thier high horse and treat us ppl who pay their bills like crap.

Whew! it felt good to get that off my chest. OK, go ahead you all with your arguments to what I said, but your day will come, you just wait and see.
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01-27-2008 05:15
From: someone
They really do not give a shit about us users of SL. All they care about is that they can buy 15 cars and 5 mansions and sit up on thier high horse and treat us ppl who pay their bills like crap.


Not only that, they claim to be the small persons Eutopea. Frankly speaking in the year 2005 yes there this was true. But now look at all the people steping on each others trying to get involved in SL? Thinking they might some day be linden or better yet a weathly SL business person. Those that make it to the top are insiders mostly or worse investers that have their own personal wealth in RL. Oh there are many that make big monies on sl many. But look around these days, do you think any small person is making that kind of money LLABS promised? Nobody likes depressing remarks, but facts out weights the RAH RAH people claiming that this game is for the little guys. Its not. Look at all the commerial Islands and the amounts they are paying. Where do you think all Human goes for dealing with problems and issues? Not to "Penny Rau" thats for sure. But to those companies kicking back monies to LLABS for favors and other 1st class treatment. Do you think say Xcompany if their credit line became screwed up for some reason ( and they are paying 20,000.00+ US monies ) would they cancel or hold their account ..like they did to "Penny Rau"? highly doubtful.


If you look in any major club on sll these days waht do you see?.........Bots sitting or dancing in clubs. Why you say? because the lack of out of touch llabs lackies ( mind you not all are a waste of human resources.) Lindens that are creating more of a Division then ever in the history of SL. I never forget when camping starting to boom and we had one Linden Rah Rahing it up saying " I sent some time sitting in a camping chair and i had some pretty good chats" Now what kind of simple minded person say this kind of remark? Mind you its was a Linden mind. Its all about Public Relations and saying everything is wonderful and bright......... Yes "if" you find a alive chatter in a "DEATH ISLAND" that has 100 agents in it with nobody talking. You might find one or so. But thats if your lucky.

Again nobody like depressing chatter about issues, but since the game is nolonger and game but a marketing tool. That sqeezes its user base ( both Paying users and free accounts )for its human resources inworld Infrastructure dealing from both Economics and and Social Infrastructure. In the hope that their energy spent will help understand monitery values and factors within the game. Making them believe one day " You might be working for us." Just points us into the direction of " Maybe in the Real World I am nothing" But on Sl I can be King or Queen.......

Thank You for reading,

Usagi
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01-27-2008 09:24
From: Raymond Figtree
I agree, Buckaroo. They are not stupid. They are frustrated and understaffed, but not stupid.


Actually. If your employees are contantly frustrated and you are understaffed that would be a clear indication of stupidity on the management side of the business.

Maybe instead of people defending LL because of the techical potential of SL someone could show them just where they are making stupid decisions things would improve. But unfortunetly one of the characterisics of stupid is a tendancy not to listen to people who are telling you of your mistakes.
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01-27-2008 09:47
the issue is becoming stupidly ridiculous passing the 24 hour mark

about the stupidity, i`d rather lean it to ignorance and/or incompetence as by now they clearly must know something is going haywire in their systems
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01-27-2008 09:52
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[UPDATE 09:05 AM PST] Unfortunately, the intermittent problems to connect have spread and may now be seen on any of our websites. In most cases, a refresh or reopening of the page should take you to your destination, though. We keep investigating, and will let you know as soon as we have more information.

Of course, it's been happening since late Friday night ... :rolleyes:
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01-27-2008 14:19
Ugh! I was about to post in another thread, but decided to go to this one just to vent that it took me about 10 tries to get to the forum because of that stupid error!! :D
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01-27-2008 16:14
Who knows whats really going on behind closed doors at LL these days?

I notice the buy price of L$ is going up, simultaneous with all of this, which makes little sense, but could indicate some hanky panky if one wants to draw paranoid conclusions.
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01-27-2008 16:33
Wow, I finally got hit with the 503 error while posting to another thread. Eight tries before I could reply...

Finally had to look up the 503 code because it's so annoying.

http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E503.html
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01-27-2008 16:39
I suppose it could be an ISP issue--did LL pay their tier? or maybe just all the storms...
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01-27-2008 17:11
I don't think LL are stupid, they're clearly highly innovative developers.

However, being a whizzkid who can develop something and bring it to fruition doesn't mean that those same whizzkids are necessarily very good at the more mundane tasks of supporting the product and managing it on a day to day basis - that requires a different set of skills.

I think LL still treat SL as a game, whereas it has the potential to be a whole lot more than that. It can't achieve that potential until it's run by a company who take version control and management a lot more seriously - a company who knows how to run very large networks.

Google, perhaps?
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01-27-2008 17:25
From: Damien Walworth
I don't think LL are stupid, they're clearly highly innovative developers.

However, being a whizzkid who can develop something and bring it to fruition doesn't mean that those same whizzkids are necessarily very good at the more mundane tasks of supporting the product and managing it on a day to day basis - that requires a different set of skills.

I think LL still treat SL as a game, whereas it has the potential to be a whole lot more than that. It can't achieve that potential until it's run by a company who take version control and management a lot more seriously - a company who knows how to run very large networks.

Google, perhaps?

so as i can run my own web server wich only fails when my isp fails that makes me what? rocket scientist?

pointless comparing a web server to the sl grid heh
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01-27-2008 17:34
From: Damien Walworth
I don't think LL are stupid, they're clearly highly innovative developers.



Read the following and say the remark again :rolleyes:

"503 Service Unavailable
The service is not available. Please try again later."
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01-27-2008 17:36
Here's the deal:

Date: Monday, February 11, 2008
Time: 12 noon
Location: Union Square, San Francisco

We'll all have a nice lunch then walk into Phil's office and together we'll say "You're stupid"

Mission accomplished
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01-27-2008 17:45
From: Damien Walworth
I think LL still treat SL as a game...
I keep getting this sinking feeling that LL is treating *LL* as a game.
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01-27-2008 17:53
Second Life a Game?.h yes they way the deal with problems indeed shows they treat those "playing" second life as such...........So much for the belief its a A ALIFE and not a game....GAME OVER :rolleyes:
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01-27-2008 18:06
"ERROR
The requested URL could not be retrieved"

Those that believe LLABS is cutting edge well...............Can anyone give me a bandages for the bleeding i having from all this high creative tech building. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p
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01-27-2008 18:43
From: Buckaroo Mu
I'm just sick and tired of people using words like "stupid" when talking about people that have designed the most advanced metaverse ever to reach even a portion of it's potential. I know this is "stupid" of me to say, and assume that anyone will believe me, yet I'm gonna say it anyway: As a computer programmer for 25+ years, it astonishes me EVERY DAY that SL works as well as it does. The reason nobody has build a better metaverse yet is because they CAN'T. LL is literally walking along the bleeding edge of what can be done. It's a far cry from perfect - but "stupid" it ain't.
As a computer programmer of 25 or so years (yes, me too), I wholeheartedly agree with you about still being astonished that such a system as SL is actually possible even now. BUT, I don't disagree with the OP. Imo, the decision makers in LL really could be described as stupid. As a programmer of 25 years or so, it is beyond my comprehension how they could have put stability on the back burner, in favour of adding new features. It doesn't make any sense at all to me. Philip's statement that this year they are going to concentrate on stability rather than on adding new features, confirms the past stupidities.

This last week, SL has been worse that it has been since I joined. That's the result of their stupidities. We used to be able to say "fix the damned teleport function", and things like that, but now there are so many things that go wrong that such requests would be a drop in the ocean. They have been excellent at producing the system, but they have been utterly crap at producing it well.
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01-28-2008 03:31
From: Alicia Sautereau
so as i can run my own web server wich only fails when my isp fails that makes me what? rocket scientist?


No, but you don't have to be very innovative to run a web server. You do to create something like Second Life, which is what LL has done.

From: Usagi Musashi

Read the following and say the remark again :rolleyes:

"503 Service Unavailable
The service is not available. Please try again later."


Sure - I'll say the remark again: "Linden Labs are great innovators, but crap at running a day to day service".
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01-28-2008 03:54
From: Raymond Figtree
I agree, Buckaroo. They are not stupid. They are frustrated and understaffed, but not stupid.



I think they make more then enough money to have a proper well staffed unit. Being under-staffed is not an excuse.
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01-28-2008 04:36
From: Ricardo Harris
I think they make more then enough money to have a proper well staffed unit. Being under-staffed is not an excuse.


At least they should be able to hire someone with the knowledge to run a website, and let them do nothing but that. Apparently, watching the workings of the website is a 24/7 requirement.

Man, the 503's are getting worse again. I have to hit refresh nearly a dozen times just to be able to see the forums, then another four just to reply. Is there a 'email the webmaster' clicky anywhere?
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01-28-2008 05:37
You're all so mean! :mad:

You guys need to realize that these forums are running on special state of the art cutting edge Linden Lab technology. They're not your typical forums with that humdrum VBCode and stuff.

You should give Linden Lab a break here.

Meanies!
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