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From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
This is really interesting, as M Linden "sets his draw distance 10 years into the future" as well as giving us a glimpse of what is in store for Second Life in 2010...

Drat. Blog got closed before I could make my predictions..

/me posts 'em here in case anybody's bored and still reading this thread.

From: What Meade woulda posted to teh blog
Back on topic to the question M originally asked, I find I can't look 10 years into the future; there's some big closer-term things that I think will have a huge impact on where SL ends up 10 years from now..

Narrative 1: Early 2010, LL decides that happy customers are what make a business successful. Issues internal corporate directive saying so but keeps quiet to residents.

- Spawns the ResidentAmbassador Linden account. This Lindens time breaks down more or less equally between: wandering the grid, forums and blogs; blog/forum posts on what they see, both good and bad, LL-internal blog/forum/lovemachine on the how the residents are feeling; ongoing various "what's the top 5 things that annoy you?" and "what's the top 5 improvements you want?" discussions in the (scripting, building, merchants and general) forums
-- This position evolves constantly and goes through many successes and mis-steps. Eventually gives birth to WhyResidentsSuck Linden and WhyLindensSuck Linden, both of which give honest straight-talk in blogs/forums
-- In the future, this is widely seen as the first step in saving SL from BM


- Magellan reappears, riding Pony. Older residents rejoice, newer residents look confused


- M directs T or FJ or one of them to drive a vehicle across the old mainland, shore to shore, then blog about their experience. Asking Moles to build roads & such is allowed, using their Linden account or other God-mode stuff is not. Also, they must wear whatever Babbage declares is a normal "medium" load of prim/script attachments. Doesn't need to be completed in one day but this is the biggest thing on their plate until completed
-- After the first blog, residents demand that Management Lindens lose 1% of their bonus each time this task produces: an audible scream from their office, a forced relog, each inventory item lost, an AR against them for littering vehicles, each "you cannot log in again until ..." message. The LL board quietly laughs at this demand
-- T/FJ/etc begin to require that other members of their teams also complete this ritual at least once/quarter
-- Prices for parcels bordering Protected Land shoot through the roof, a new market for objects that shoot hippos and water balloons at passing Lindens explodes
-- In the future, this is seen as a "The Big Stability Turning Point"


- ResidentAmbassador Linden goes on a quest to find anybody that doesn't think groups need a serious overhaul
-- Comes up empty
-- Starts discussions with residents & enterprises to determine requirements
-- Eventually leads to new residents thinking groups still need work but also produces many smiles on old land owners and enterprises, just because land is now ACL-like controlled


- Premium & Tier are reworked, new tier levels are added
-- Premium no longer the only way to get LL TO AUTO-DELETE YOUR ENTIRE INVENTORY!!
-- Short term, more tier steps produces a drop in tier revenue for LL as people drop to their nearest level, which is now lower
-- Mid term, LL makes it back as many residents between the 1/8th to 1/2 sim tiers acquire more land without the huge recurring-price jumps
-- Long term, net change isn't much to LL but residents are happier as tier changes are no longer such a "big decision" thing


- New RL peripherals become available. LL works hard to make such things easier to integrate
-- 3D monitors
-- Avatar controls via eye/one hand/brainwaves get LL good press with the disabled
-- Full-body controls are tried, repeatedly, then discarded as they're too much damn work while having to watch a screen
-- 3D HMDs revive full-body control cult, discarded again as people start suing because they keep walking into RL walls and getting hurt


- Land barons push for ability to allow regions that are neighbors on the gird be on the same physical sim host
-- Leads to the MegaSim product, 16 contiguous full regions all one sim host, which becomes popular with the action game and serious RP crowds
-- Thousands passionately love the cache-hit and overall performance gain
-- Thousands passionately hate their whole continent going away on rolling restarts
-- WhyResidentsSuck Linden blogs about all the details and pros/cons then declares a US$100 fee per region to change this setting on existing regions and walks away to leave residents forevermore debating pros/cons


- LL adds read-only API to rolling restart progress
-- People to get more than a "sometime during this 4 hour window Monday or that 4 hour window Tuesday" idea of when their region will be down
-- Residents still complain about every rolling restart
-- Enterprise/businesses love it and cut back on the blood pressure meds whenever they schedule a big event


- LL declares the forums are to be closed and not replaced
-- Residents sharpen pitchforks
-- Two days later, a WhyLindensSuck Linden blog points out that it's April 1st then proceeds to upgrade vBulletin software


- LL notices that the SL Louvre recently folded. And that Black Swan is gone. And that Blackwater tiered down a bit
-- Starts discussions on how to help art-for-arts-sake builds without getting gamed
-- Future unclear but residents are overwhelmingly in support of helping them somehow


- LL revisits Nebraska product, intros new versions on the lower-end instead of the higher-end
-- Smallish up-tick in growth
-- LL changes pricing to be by land-size instead of by number-of-avatars; sees big growth at the under-US$15k product


- LL gives non-estate-owner land owners Top Scripts/Colliders On Parcel
-- Finds that parcel/avatar script limits aren't really needed


Narrative 2: Business as usual.
- BM declares they are out of beta
-- LL struggles to maintain current numbers


- BM creates Blue Mars, Red Lights
-- LL staggers as revenue numbers falls off a cliff, continues to miss connection between "regular people using" and "businesses knocking at our door"


- Google, Microsoft or Amazon buys LL on the cheap
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01-08-2010 13:36
One thing that I was happy to see was M's recognition of the "us/them" situation.
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01-08-2010 13:54
From: Seven Okelli
One thing that I was happy to see was M's recognition of the "us/them" situation.

Agreed. Little disappointing that he's just now noticing it, though. I didn't see anything in the comments that haven't been said many times before.
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01-08-2010 16:11
From: Meade Paravane
I didn't see anything in the comments that haven't been said many times before.


Very true, but the difference this time may be that M is (finally) being exposed to those ideas.
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01-09-2010 11:18
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Very true, but the difference this time may be that M is (finally) being exposed to those ideas.

M has been plenty exposed to these ideas in the blogs. As has almost every other Linden daring enough to leave blog comments open.

If he's just now getting it, and actually HAS gotten it, good. Better late than never.

If he hasn't gotten it and this is just another "we're listening!" from LL, I guess we'll just wait until Meades "Blue Mars, Red Lights" above opens and it gets to take over where LL stalled in 2007 or so.
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01-09-2010 17:09
Yes, many of us have been saying what we really think for quite a while. And it's seemed pretty likely that few if any top Lindens (including M) had ever read any of it.

We don't know for certain that M read every post in that blog entry, but we can be pretty sure he read the posts to which he replied---and that's more actual-reading-of-our-suggestions than we knew of before.

That actually does give me some hope that M and others at the top are considering whether the culture that has seemed to prevail at LL--that of 'TALK about listening to Residents but don't provide any evidence you've actually done it'--should be changed to one in which top Lindens ACTUALLY listen to us.

Perhaps they're starting to realize that the 'forget the Residents, we'll be making millions from corporate contracts any day now!' philosophy is a little shaky.
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01-09-2010 18:24
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We don't know for certain that M read every post in that blog entry, but we can be pretty sure he read the posts to which he replied---and that's more actual-reading-of-our-suggestions than we knew of before..

Yep. I do give him credit for that and acknowledge that there was less cherry-picking than usual. I haven't given up hope for them yet :) but I also don't expect there's going to be any huge changes coming soon either, even if I think some are needed.
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01-10-2010 15:43
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...but I also don't expect there's going to be any huge changes coming soon either, even if I think some are needed.


Indeed. It's hard to see how demand and concurrency could be any more depressed than they are now. Or at least, I don't want to try visualizing 'less demand, less concurrency than now'...I really, really don't.
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01-10-2010 16:00
It seems we might want to bump down our expectations of "SL 2.0" if this is at all accurate:
From: someone
[CLIENT] The changes that make Viewer2.0 special are new features and UI, not the render pipeline. Snowglobe's render pipeline is mostly the same as the viewer2.0 render pipeline.
That would mean no improved rendering, no improved shadows than what we already have and no merging in of the texture projection branch...

---

Additionally:
From: someone
[SERVER] Linden lab actually have a Havok7 branch that they'll submit for Quality Acceptance soon. Maybe it will even get into server-1.38.

However, don't expect much changed in the Havok7 port -- a few performance optimizations is all -- all in the physics engine, doesn't improve scripts or other stuff the server does
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01-11-2010 09:17
From: M Linden's last post to the Blog
From this point on (with this thread), I'd like to follow along for the next couple of days, then declare it closed and write a wrap up back to you. Fair?
From: Blue Linden last Friday
After a healthy run, we're going to close this one down. Thanks very much, however, for the passion and creativity included herein! M indicates that he's been following along and will post a reply this weekend. See you then
Hmmm. Never good to make your employee a liar. Also a bad idea to break promises to residents within a week.

Emergencies sometimes come up that prevent one from following up on smaller promises like this. But more often, an executive will simply forget because its not important to them. Perhaps in this case, M simply decided he has nothing more to say.

Given nothing but silence to go on, we all get to choose what we believe.
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01-11-2010 09:20
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Hmmm. Never good to make your employee a liar. Also a bad idea to break promises to residents within a week.

I sent M my comments (/me points to the previous page of this thread) in a notecard and he did accept them. I'm sure the delay is because I've changed his whole outlook on things. Probably busy restructering LL right now!
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01-11-2010 09:33
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I'm sure the delay is because I've changed his whole outlook on things. Probably busy restructering LL right now!
Well, yah, obviously!

Of course, personally I choose to believe he didn't reply because he's started an affair with Lady Gaga in SL, and he's spending his time perusing the latest "Is it cheating?" thread.

Given only silence, we all get to choose what we believe.

:D
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01-11-2010 09:46
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Well, yah, obviously!

Of course, personally I choose to believe he didn't reply because he's started an affair with Lady Gaga in SL, and he's spending his time perusing the latest "Is it cheating?" thread.

Given only silence, we all get to choose what we believe.

:D

Hrm. Given a choice, I think I'd rather be pouncing her, when she's not all creepy weird, than reading anything I wrote up.
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01-11-2010 14:13
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Hmmm. Never good to make your employee a liar. Also a bad idea to break promises to residents within a week.

Emergencies sometimes come up that prevent one from following up on smaller promises like this. But more often, an executive will simply forget because its not important to them. Perhaps in this case, M simply decided he has nothing more to say.

Given nothing but silence to go on, we all get to choose what we believe.
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I'm wondering what would happen to a Blog thread asking about this silence? Would it be deleted immediately? (Obviously we can take note of this broken promise here, but would such attention be expunged from the record over on the Official communications-forum?)

(Who knows if there may already have been such a Blog---how would a person find it in that disfunctional mess?)
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01-11-2010 14:21
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I'm wondering what would happen to a Blog thread asking about this silence? Would it be deleted immediately? (Obviously we can take note of this broken promise here, but would such attention be expunged from the record over on the Official communications-forum?)

(Who knows if there may already have been such a Blog---how would a person find it in that disfunctional mess?)


This should show all the blogs including all obscure ones https://blogs.secondlife.com/blogs

As for M's response, I think he will ... eventually, but I'm not sure how much he will actually say beyond what has already been said plus a few "oh you're such a feisty bunch", "we're really listening" and "stay tuned for some exciting announcements".
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01-11-2010 14:30
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
This should show all the blogs including all obscure ones https://blogs.secondlife.com/blogs

As for M's response, I think he will ... eventually, but I'm not sure how much he will actually say beyond what has already been said plus a few "oh you're such a feisty bunch", "we're really listening" and "stay tuned for some exciting announcements".


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01-11-2010 15:25
From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
This should show all the blogs including all obscure ones https://blogs.secondlife.com/blogs



When I saw your post I thought "wow, so there IS such a thing as a list of blog-threads, shame on them for making it so hard to find..." And of course that's not what it is--and no doubt there IS no such thing as a list of topics (which makes THIS forum so easy to navigate).

What is that page, anyway...the 30 most recent posts? I mean, that's nice, and I do thank you for posting it.

But one thing that makes me very cynical about LL's protestations of caring about their current customers (as opposed the the Million-Dollar-Contract-Signing hypothetical Corporate Customers of the hypothetical Glorious Future) is this choice to deep-six forum software that lets us actually COMMUNICATE for software that makes communication as difficult as possible.
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01-12-2010 19:20
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Hmmm. Never good to make your employee a liar. Also a bad idea to break promises to residents within a week.

Emergencies sometimes come up that prevent one from following up on smaller promises like this. But more often, an executive will simply forget because its not important to them. Perhaps in this case, M simply decided he has nothing more to say.

Given nothing but silence to go on, we all get to choose what we believe.
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Hey Nika ... looks like we're getting a special office hours invite from M :)

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/01/12/responding-to-your-feedback

From: someone
To start, I am inviting everyone who posted a comment on my post to 2-3 inworld office hours in February. We will schedule them at times that are comfortable for different parts of the world. It will take a couple of weeks to get scheduled so if you commented on my previous post, expect an invitation by the end of the month.
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From: Joshooah Lovenkraft
Hey Nika ... looks like we're getting a special office hours invite from M :)

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/features/blog/2010/01/12/responding-to-your-feedback
Well, interesting!

It is unwise to speak to a CEO unless you are very clear about what you want, and how exactly s/he can best make it happen. CEOs are loaded guns ... an essential job skill for them is making decisions in the absence of all required information.

Now, what do I most want, and how to make it dovetail with what he wants ...

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Well, interesting!

It is unwise to speak to a CEO unless you are very clear about what you want, and how exactly s/he can best make it happen. CEOs are loaded guns ... an essential job skill for them is making decisions in the absence of all required information.

Now, what do I most want, and how to make it dovetail with what he wants ...



Since seeing the news that he'd meet with us, I've been wondering how to make the case that doing the unglamorous stuff like Grid Stability and Decreasing Lag COULD be made to look good on his resume.

If we could suggest some practical ideas that would do this---some sexy terminology, some angles for showing how such efforts grow the business---then we might be able to influence him away from some of the "What's Most Important To SL: Make Sure Tweets Can Be Read Inworld!!!!" sort of projects.

(We'd also need to come up with a way to communicate such suggestions without implying 'we understand that burnishing up your resume is uppermost on your list of priorities.' It's human nature to look out for one's own self-interest first, but of course it's insulting to the recipient to take public notice of this fact. We'd need to make the suggestions in the spirit of "we know that improving SL is Number One with you: here are some angles to improving grid stability and reducing lag that we haven't seen being discussed...";)

There's a lot of brainpower on this forum. We can surely come up with some ideas....
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Since seeing the news that he'd meet with us, I've been wondering how to make the case that doing the unglamorous stuff like Grid Stability and Decreasing Lag COULD be made to look good on his resume.

Decreasing lag, IMO, is a non-starter. If Babbage actually fixes SVC-3895, we're going to see a 90% reduction in people talking about sim-side lag. Do I actually know it will be 90%? Nope! I'm convinced that that one damn bug is causing that much trouble, though.

I suspect M isn't going to be thinking about what will look good on his resume. Instead, what he's going to be most interested in is things that will give the best bang for the buck. When you bring an idea to him, his first (or close to it) thoughts will be on what it will cost LL to implement that idea - cost in dev resources, cost in machine/network resources, cost in upkeep resources. He may also think of the benefits but he'll always be thinking about the cost.

This is one of the big causes of the us/them issue he mentioned in the blog. If you see somebody with a Linden name on, they're at their RL job. They're at work. They're thinking about how to get their job done and how to make their next review look all nice and shiny. Residents, OTOH, think mostly about their SL experience; in-world, blog & forums, xstreet, etc. We, when we have ideas, tend to focus on just the good points of that idea instead of trying to look at it from ALL sides, good and bad. We try to defend the idea and focus just on the good stuff.

A good example of this is the 25-group limit. Do we all hate it? Damn straight we do. Do we (mostly) all bug LL about it? Oh yes. Do most people know why the limit is there and why LL isn't likely to change it? No, I don't think so. How often do you hear "more groups!!" compared to "why the 25-group limit?" If you bring an idea to M, you (you = people in general, not specifically Ponsonby) may do better by trying to poke holes in it yourself first and refine it or at least be able to acknowledge the possible downsides.

That and keep it short and to the point. Management types tend to have short attention spans and get bored easily.

All just IMO...
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