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Would you change your shape?

Bree Giffen
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07-14-2009 22:22
Would you change your shape and size if all animations were made for it? If all furniture and vehicles, and houses, and clothes, shoes, hair, were made for it? If you could hold hands or kiss lips? Would it be worth it to be all the same shape? One shape for females and one for males?
Mistic Foxtrot
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07-14-2009 22:39
No I like my shape and I think SL would be boring if all the females had the same shape, and all males had the same shape.
Talon Brown
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07-14-2009 23:23
From: Mistic Foxtrot
No I like my shape and I think SL would be boring if all the females had the same shape, and all males had the same shape.

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Pussycat Catnap
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07-14-2009 23:46
Well, my AV is within normal human height...

So nothing fits me anyway, unless its motion capture animation. So... no. I've already chosen not to. :)
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07-14-2009 23:49
Never.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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07-14-2009 23:53
yes, but not for the reasons outlined in the first post

I change my shape quite often, I like being different a lot.

So, yes I would change it, since I already do, no I would not change it for those reasons, and if everyone had the same shapes, SL would be boring.
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Benski Trenkins
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07-15-2009 00:36
I've lived my life with one rule in these cases: If it doesn't fit, make it fit or make it yourself.

I never will change for anyone or anything.
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Marianne McCann
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07-15-2009 00:54
Heck, I already live in an SL world where none of them fit. Either I make em, find people who make em that fit, or just don't worry much about it. Not gonna change me just for an animation.
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Nina Stepford
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07-15-2009 00:56
well thats pretty much the situation i am in. everything would fit better if i grew 3 more feet. but no... i will not change my shape. i feel silly being a giant.
From: Bree Giffen
Would you change your shape and size if all animations were made for it? If all furniture and vehicles, and houses, and clothes, shoes, hair, were made for it? If you could hold hands or kiss lips? Would it be worth it to be all the same shape? One shape for females and one for males?
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Marcush Nemeth
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07-15-2009 01:12
You mean.. default me to one of these 8-9 foot avatars which are the standard these days?
No thank you, I've taken a liking to my RL measurements, they come with certain.. benefits :P
Faithless Babii
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07-15-2009 01:14
no, I wouldnt change my shape...either it fits..or I make it fit..or in the case of clothing, trash it and dont buy from the maker again
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Tali Rosca
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07-15-2009 01:36
If everything in SL was made to a certain shape, it wouldn't be the SL we know, and there wouldn't be much point in being able to change your shape in the first place.
I'd likely go with the default shape in that case... but then I'm not sure I'd be here in the first place.
(I would, however, love to see furniture makers actually at least scale things to a 2meter+ avatar, and not to a 4-meter. Yes, the *ceiling* needs to be higher to make room for the camera, but that doesn't mean a lounging chair needs to be 3x3x2 meter!)

Oh, and just to add, I join the chorus of people who have deliberately chosen "not to fit". I *did* compromise and made my avatar a little bit taller than I originally intended, but I am still well below SL average. -And of course, my tail constantly falls through whatever I'm sitting on, which looks quite strange in vehicles in particular :-)
Conifer Dada
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07-15-2009 01:40
No. I don't want to change my self-image. I make most of my own clothing and accessories anyway, so they fit me properly.
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Kokoro Fasching
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07-15-2009 03:10
I've had this shape for 5 years now, don't plan on changing with in the next 20 years.. :)
Clarissa Lowell
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07-15-2009 03:14
Not sure I understand the question. Things fit in SL already. Is this a 'would you be a tiny' question?
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Deira Llanfair
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07-15-2009 03:20
If you make an animation with typical software packages like Poser, QAvimator etc., then once an animation has been made, it is a very simple mod to change it for a different height avatar. I suggest you just ask the animator if they could adjust the animation to fit you. They may charge a little for doing this - but it should not take them long for most single animations.

Obviously this is more work for a couple, than for a single avatar - and it may not be a simple job to get two linked animations to fit different sizes. However, for a single animation, once it is made all the hard work has been done and a height change is comparatively simple.

Using only Mocap techniques, this would not be possible - you would have to start all over again with a different size actor.

Animating in SL is sometimes very paradoxical - things that you think would be difficult can turn out to be simple to do, whereas some things that ought to be easy can turn out to be nigh on impossible! But changing your shape to fit an animation (or hair or clothes etc.) is a silly reason to change IMO - change the animation to fit the shape and change your shape to please yourself.



EDIT: Tinies and Quadrupeds are a different matters entirely.
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Monalisa Robbiani
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07-15-2009 03:35
No.

It's up to the creator to design their product in a way that makes it worth for me to buy it. If a vehicle's sit position cannot be changed, or if a skirt is no mod, I don't buy. Simple as that.

Tinies: They use totally different animations, which is a good thing because I am one of the few creators to sell these. :)
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Jackie Silverfall
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07-15-2009 03:53
No. I've worked hard to get both my main and alt just how I want them.
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07-15-2009 04:34
real question:
would you change what makes you unique to better fit in?

real answer:
the things I view as negative, yes, the things I view as positive, no (and my view of those will differ from the next person)

the problem is that even if we all had a similar view of what is "positive" and "negative" there's still a drive to be distinguishable from the crowd, to be different in some unique way, and not be a cookie cutter copy of the next person... we all strive to be "better" than the average, to stand out in our own little niche... it's a very ingrained part of human nature.
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Princess Ivory
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07-15-2009 04:56
Funny that this question is being asked right now - I just spent the morning making some major changes to my shape, most notably my height, and then making sure I was proportional to my height with the rest of my body. I used the Properly Proportioned Female Body Shape, 5'7" R1 body shape by Vaelissa Cortes, and tweaked it to add my own face, and slim down the body a little bit. But I left torso length, arm and leg length, and height at her recommendations. My height slider went from 50 to 29! I am no longer 7 ft tall. :) I am now 5'6" tall.

I will be curious to see how much, if any, difficulty I encounter with my clothing and with poseballs and animations. If it is a problem, I will have to start tweaking back upwards.

I will not buy clothing that is "no mod." And if I can't get a mod version of something to fit, I will contact the designer with a request if it is a minor adjustment, or I won't buy from that designer again, if their clothing just does not fit me well at all. I have this problem the most with hair, and only buy hair from one or two places now as a result. I will NOT have a giant head just to be able to wear the name-brand designers' hair!

Will I stay with this altered shape? It still looks mostly like me, just shorter and not quite so long-legged. Time will tell. I shall have to live with it a while and see how it works out.
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07-15-2009 05:07
I think for many of us the unique shape is part of what helps us identify with our avatars. I have had to reject animations for my AO that I might otherwise have liked, because they made my hands sink into my hips or had similar issues. It's too bad that not all animations work for all people, but the overwhelming response on this thread so far seems to show we'd rather have our personal shapes and forego some of the animations.

I have a hug and kiss HUD that includes 5 different animations for each avatar for each hug and kiss inside of it. It automatically detects the heights of the avatars involved in the embrace and selects from those 5 animations. The result is really very nice. It's a lot more work for the creator - both creating the additional animations and writing in the additional scripting - but it yields a more immersive result.
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07-15-2009 05:13
Why bother? Even when clothes "fit" they don't stand up even to the minimal stresses of dancing or sitting down, and animations are only approximations, even the better ones.

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Tali Rosca
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07-15-2009 05:15
From: Madhu Maruti
...because they made my hands sink into my hips...

This is one of the most common errors in proportion; too short arms. So if an animation is made for that, somebody with realistic arm length will see this a lot.
It is so common that I think short arms is actually the standard in SL, which makes it a bit of dilemma for an animator. Should s/he support the large customer base, or make something "correct", as per actual human proportions.
Milla Janick
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07-15-2009 05:30
No.
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07-15-2009 05:32
No. (^_^)
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