What am I missing? Why are big corporations vital to SL?
Because the investors are important. If corporations lose faith in the platform, then investors will too.
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Felix Oxide
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03-12-2008 09:33
What am I missing? Why are big corporations vital to SL? Because the investors are important. If corporations lose faith in the platform, then investors will too. |
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Oryx Tempel
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03-12-2008 09:37
I think that with the "SL GRID" stuff that LL released a while back, they pretty much stated that they'd like to attract more corporate, educational, and non-profit organizations. In other words, LL WANTS official groups of people to come into SL for whatever reason, be it creating a museum, video conferencing, fund raising, holding virtual classes, etc. The Gartner report is simply correct in stating that the vast majority of PCs won't have the needed system specs, and the grid stability is horrific for "official" venues. Can you imagine trying to take a graduate level class in Midieval Music (or whatever) and having the stupid grid crash?
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FD Spark
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03-12-2008 09:39
We've all seen the many, many threads which debate the future and possible demise of SL. Gartner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner) have come out with a credible analysis which, because of its audience, is likely to have a real impact on SL's future. The source can be found here: http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=619513 Content is as follows: Technical Issues Will Cause Consumers and Consumer-Facing Businesses to Seek Alternatives to Second Life by the End of 2009 STAMFORD, Conn., March 11, 2008 — Organizations need to think carefully before they deploy virtual environments such as Second Life, because of issues with access and use, according to Gartner Inc. Gartner said that the allure of environments such as Linden Lab's Second Life can be intoxicating for users and, in some cases, for organizations, but IT managers need to exercise caution and consider other options. "Second Life is acceptable for pilots and prototypes," said James Lundy, managing vice president at Gartner. "However, current technical issues would have a significant impact on any organisation that wanted to use it in a production environment, and we are advising companies to evaluate alternatives." Gartner has identified three key challenges that organizations face in using Second Life and offered the following advice to businesses considering deploying virtual environments: Challenge One – Graphics Card Issues One of Second Life's issues is desktop support. Second Life widely supports NVIDIA graphics cards and now certain ATI cards (but not all). This circumstance puts severe pressure on IT departments when a business unit decides that it wants to use Second Life. Not all business users will have access to a PC that is considered "gaming class." Gartner said that even in the same PC model from the same manufacturer, graphics cards can differ, and organizations need to examine this reality, especially as user experiences become more graphics-intensive. Challenge Two – Downtime While Second Life now notifies users in advance of planned downtime via a Google shared calendar, that calendar has been found to be somewhat out of date with limited warning of future planned outages or rolling restarts. Although casual users of Second Life have become used to this downtime dilemma, any organization that wishes to use it for business purposes, such as running training sessions, may have to delay or reschedule those sessions if loss of service occurs during these rolling restarts. These issues are usually intolerable for enterprises that expect 24/7 access, scalability and reliable, bug-free operation from their virtual environments. Challenge Three – Other Platforms Emerge Gartner expects that other, more scalable virtual environments will emerge to challenge Second Life in the consumer-facing segment and that Sony's forthcoming Home could be one of these challengers. By the end of 2009, Gartner predicts that because of continued technical issues, consumers and consumer-facing businesses will seek other virtual environments as alternatives to Second Life. "Second Life is a positive tool for learning, and as a pioneer in the market it deserves credit for that," said Carol Rozwell, vice president and distinguished analyst at Gartner. "However, we urge organisations to look beyond marketing hype when evaluating virtual environments. Platform uptime is a critical success factor, and Second Life has a questionable track record in this metric." Gartner analysts will provide additional analysis on virtual worlds at the upcoming Gartner Symposium/ITxpo 2008: Emerging Trends, to be held from April 6 through April 10 at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas. Gartner Symposium/ITxpo: Emerging Trends is Gartner's premier event focused on the emerging trends, technologies, business models and new management thinking poised to have a dramatic impact on business, the economy and society. Thousands of IT professionals from the world's leading enterprises rely on Gartner's Symposium/ITxpo: Emerging Trends event to gain insight into how their organizations can use technology to address business challenges and improve operational efficiency. For more information, please visit www.gartner.com/us/emergingtrends. Members of the media can register by contacting [email]GartnerEvents@text100.com[/email] Um so what does this have to do with resident answers? Just curious.. I didn't know this forum was CO for corporate opinions. As long as people find things they enjoy in SL they will continue to pay for services in it. Last time I heard a Linden speak about rl business in sl they didn't seem to care very much if either way. It wasn't important focus for them. _____________________
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Nika Talaj
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03-12-2008 09:40
To follow up on Qie's point, I'm wondering if this news release may be more about Gartner pimping its own research than anything else. A quick browse of their site shows a pile of $95 Virtual Worlds papers that you can buy retail, including the first little gem below, which is probably where Stephen's news release was pulled from. Also see the papers below it.
Call me cynical, but I'm wondering now if maybe all that's happening here is that Gartner is positioning itself to do a bunch of reports on other Virtual Worlds, and in order for anyone to want to buy them they have to devalue SL's current market dominance. Gartner does research "on spec" for emerging segments, like Virtual Environments. ------------------------------------ Three Challenges That Enterprises Face in Using Second Life 15 February 2008 James Lundy Carol Rozwell Stephen Prentice Marti Harris The virtual environment called Second Life has grown significantly, but its use in enterprises will not expand beyond an initial test of the environment unless it fixes ongoing technical difficulties and support issues. ------------------------------------ Predicts 2008: Emerging Trends Expand Collaboration and Human Performance 8 January 2008 Jackie Fenn Tyson W Harmon Stephen Prentice Mark Raskino David W. Cearley Emerging trend predictions for 2008 include the evolution of virtual worlds and social network analysis in the corporate context, and the start of a long-term trend toward the surgical augmentation of human abilities. ------------------------------------ Tactical Guideline: Six Essential Tips for Getting Started With Virtual Environments 20 February 2008 Carol Rozwell James Lundy Marti Harris Many factors need to be considered when starting to use a virtual environment for business. We outline six vital ingredients for a successful pilot project in the virtual world. |
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Isablan Neva
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03-12-2008 09:46
Any corporate IT person who took Gartner's advice and looked into Home for more than five minutes would know they don't know what they're talking about. This is an excellent point. Right up there with journalists who refer to SL as a "web site." Translation = I'm an idiot who doesn't know a damn thing. _____________________
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Conifer Dada
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03-12-2008 09:46
The report really just ponders what we already know.
Corporations came and, to some extent, went away again. If you want to find out RL bus times, it's better to look up a timetable on a web-page than to visit a vitual bus station in SL and search for a timetable on the wall. Emerging competition: Still I haven't seen any other virtual world that come up to SL's quality and versatility, even if they might be more reliable. The biggest threat to SL might actually be from the clones like Open Life and Central Grid, created using LL's source codes. These seem to offer new ideas about networking, with a possibility in future of being able to host your own sims and connect them to a grid. At the moment Standalones are just what they say. If you want to attempt to put them online you've got to work out how it's done from scratch! |
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Colette Meiji
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03-12-2008 09:50
Call me cynical, but I'm wondering now if maybe all that's happening here is that Gartner is positioning itself to do a bunch of reports on other Virtual Worlds, and in order for anyone to want to buy them they have to devalue SL's current market dominance. I am calling you cynical. For Gartner to manipulate the image of an industry in order to earn money would be pretty unethical. They are a company that is supposed to provide analysis. LOL - cynical AND of course entirely within the realm of possibility. |
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Jethro Stubbs
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03-12-2008 09:58
Not to mention that LL is "Corporate Ammurica" as well. I mentioned it first: "If I hated Korporit America, I'd cancel my LINDEN account..." |
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Jethro Stubbs
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03-12-2008 10:07
It may have 'started' as an american company - but I wouldn't really class it as one any more. It just happens to have its main base there. And that's the problem with Korporit America. They farm their R&D and manufacturing out to 'cheaper' nations. So I guess you are right in that Linden Labs is a Multinational Korporation, which is the evilest of all the korporations. |
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ConductorX Nieuport
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03-12-2008 10:07
Good. I've always maintained that LL's pursuit of Corporate Amurrica is a big mistake. Their real customer base is US...the individual residents, both those who just play here and those who use SL to operate a small business. Maybe if corporate interest dries up, LL will see the light. Because of my company coming to SL as a pilot / prototyping tool I am here. I am not saying we are going into upgrading everyone's PC and make SL our model of the future. If I didn't learn of SL through my company or have the USD$ to play with I would not be in SL. Corporations while not perfect do drive the world's RL economy. "CX" _____________________
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03-12-2008 10:18
Because of my company coming to SL as a pilot / prototyping tool I am here. I am not saying we are going into upgrading everyone's PC and make SL our model of the future. If I didn't learn of SL through my company or have the USD$ to play with I would not be in SL. Corporations while not perfect do drive the world's RL economy. "CX" True. But we are incessantly deluged by them in everyday life. It's kind of nice having a place to get away from them. _____________________
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Jethro Stubbs
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03-12-2008 10:18
Maybe it was a typo. No need for paranoia every time someone spells something incorrectly, surely? Sure it could have been a typo, because the U being right next to the E on the kuyboard makus that a vury common typing mistaku. But for those people who know that's not true, it's not because big corporations are American that makes big corporations bad. It's that they tend to act in unAmerican and/or anti-American ways when making their decisions. So to respond in an anti-American manner rather than an anti-corporate manner, makes the critic of Corporate America equally guilty of the same type of behaviour. As they say in the hood, hate the player not the game. |
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Brenda Connolly
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03-12-2008 10:19
I am calling you cynical. For Gartner to manipulate the image of an industry in order to earn money would be pretty unethical. They are a company that is supposed to provide analysis. LOL - cynical AND of course entirely within the realm of possibility. Since when are Ethics and Making Money mutually inclusive? ![]() _____________________
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Snark Serpentine
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03-12-2008 10:21
Since when are Ethics and Making Money mutually inclusive? ![]() I can't tell which is beeping louder, my malapropism counter or my sarcasm meter. |
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Colette Meiji
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03-12-2008 10:40
So to respond in an anti-American manner rather than an anti-corporate manner, makes the critic of Corporate America equally guilty of the same type of behaviour. Considering the political power of special interests (often meaning Corporate America) it would easily possible to be against both at the same time. Or to be against the end result but not actually against the concept of America or even Corporations. |
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Jethro Stubbs
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03-12-2008 11:22
Considering the political power of special interests (often meaning Corporate America) it would easily possible to be against both at the same time. Or to be against the end result but not actually against the concept of America or even Corporations. Special Interest is a term politicians use to try and convince you that they are fighting for the little guy. But the AARP is a special interest group. And it represents lots of little guys, as do many other special interest groups who have legitimate constituents. The problem is that neither politcal party really cares about the little guy. They only care about getting re-elected. And they both lie to do it. |
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03-12-2008 11:26
Because the investors are important. If corporations lose faith in the platform, then investors will too. What do the investors believe they are investing in? 1) A business platform? 2) A social platform? "Second Life is acceptable for pilots and prototypes," said James Lundy, managing vice president at Gartner. "However, current technical issues would have a significant impact on any organisation that wanted to use it in a production environment, and we are advising companies to evaluate alternatives." Gartner are saying that SL kinda sucks as a production business platform. So? We all know that already. Anyone with half a brain knows that. Look on this report as good news. Maybe it will get LL to define its business model as concentrating on the needs and creativity of non-corporate end-users. "Your world, your imagination". Antarctica is not a good place for growing grapes? So stop trying to make wine there. |
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Colette Meiji
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03-12-2008 11:28
Special Interest is a term politicians use to try and convince you that they are fighting for the little guy. But the AARP is a special interest group. And it represents lots of little guys, as do many other special interest groups who have legitimate constituents. The problem is that neither politcal party really cares about the little guy. They only care about getting re-elected. And they both lie to do it. Are you trying to tell me that Special interests do not include Corporations? And that Corporation do not hold sway in the politics of America beyond what the votes of their employees hold? |
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ConductorX Nieuport
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03-12-2008 11:34
Special Interest is a term politicians use to try and convince you that they are fighting for the little guy. But the AARP is a special interest group. And it represents lots of little guys, as do many other special interest groups who have legitimate constituents. The problem is that neither politcal party really cares about the little guy. They only care about getting re-elected. And they both lie to do it. You are absolutly correct. AARP while claiming to support the needs of older Americans have at heart their own agenda of supporting dependence on the government, supporting drug companies and wielding their political power. AARP sells itself to older Americans as a discount club and in turn promotes their own agenda to Congress. I refuse to join because they don't hold my views towards SSN and other related issues. "CX" _____________________
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Har Fairweather
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03-12-2008 11:56
Bottom line, SL has got to be stable and reliable to interest serious users. Which we have all been screaming in their ears for at least the year or so I've been active here.
Maybe this time they will hear? |
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Kahiro Watanabe
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03-12-2008 12:04
There's one reason why SL is not dead: because it's unique.
Why? Because it allows content creation. And it provides an economy to sell/buy these contents. The only platform I know that allows content creation is Hipihi, but it's really beta. I used it once, and create something is much harder than with SL. It requires more hardware and they don't added an economy yet. I remeber that when they released a new version a few months ago the grid was offline for 5 days!! and there are 30 users online a day. So if it is hard to mantain that grid... I can't imagine what would be mantain a grid like SL that has 50.000L ppl a day online. Some people only blame LL for the crashes and lag, but the content creation makes much much much much harder to maintain the grid: heavy sensors, listeners, temp rezzers, huge prims, big textures, animations, audio/video stream, etc etc etc. all this created by us, the residents. This freedom that SL gives brings these kinds of problems, and it's really hard to maintain with the actual technology and knowledge of metaverses. So it's not that easy to say: in 2009 a new 3D platform will end with SL. They would have to work a LOT to do that. I don't know what Gartners is, but I don't think their predictions will affect what enterprises think about SL because they are right, but because they are respectful somewhat. |
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Colette Meiji
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03-12-2008 12:10
There's one reason why SL is not dead: because it's unique. Why? Because it allows content creation. And it provides an economy to sell/buy these contents. This is true, predicting SL's demise without a viable competitor out there is pretty unrealistic. |
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Aminom Marvin
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03-12-2008 12:12
Another big thing is Customer Support. I have waited TWO WEEKS after putting in my request to raise Lindex trading limits. During this time, I have not been able to cash out Lindens, which I want to do to buy a private island. I have tried calling concierge, live chat, but all I get is run around and talk about backlog. It seems that they don't want my money.
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Nika Talaj
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03-12-2008 12:13
This is true, predicting SL's demise without a viable competitor out there is pretty unrealistic. They have left the door open for LL to respond with: "You're right, Gods of Data! And here's what we're doing to fix it!". . |
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Lee Ponzu
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03-12-2008 12:15
I always thought SL would be an excellent place for politicians to chase young women instead of the Oval Office. You realize that is the premise of the CSI:NY Second Life episode? Turns out to not be such a good place. _____________________
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