Community project - abandonned dark city

I visited a sim that was set up as a fairytale island, with Snow White and the Seven Dwarves and Sleeping Beauty and Little Red Riding Hood and all that. You could copy a bunch of the stuff for free! When I went back to visit, it was gone. Was it all a dream? No, cuz I have stuff in my inventory! I want it to come back!!!

It was probably shut down by those Bastards at Disney........

good luck Chaos. you do make nice builds.

This does bring up a point.

There are many that are brilliant artists, but can't balance their $L to save their life.

And others that are fine in business - if they had anything worth selling.

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Honestly, I'd consider it myself - but it doesn't exactly match what I do, and would make a mess of my 'branding'...

"Steampunk Victorian Caledon... and that dark abandoned city"... just won't fly very well.

Plus I've already got the next 16 regions planned, deep into 2010 (5 to finish Caledon, 10 of a 'special project', 1 a mainland Steampunk Arcology). But Chaos, you may be able to hit up some other land barons and see what they can do.

Might be surprised, if you can pitch your idea well. Have some plans and builds and things ready to show in a sandbox, and keep asking around.

I've dealt with something like two dozen people with regard to building Caledon regions already, in deals not too terribly different than what you propose.

Chaos, maybe you need to be a little clearer about what you're offering? Your post could be read 2 ways:

1. The way most of the posters on this thread seem to interpret it, "Please give me a sim"

2. An incredibly generous offer of your services as a builder, for free, in exchange for artistic control over the project. Doing this would involve a lot of talking and demos to be sure the vision you have is acceptable to your sponsor.

I *think* number 2 is closer to what you have in mind. If so, it's an unusual deal (usually sim owners have the concept, like Des, and pay the builder to execute it). You need to find someone who wants to own a dark RP sim, and work with them to modify your original concept so it's acceptable to you both.

Doesn't seem impossible. But you need to sell your idea a little better
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Chaos. Felonhall was well done and imaginative, one of the best I have seen in SL, but the economic reality of SL, with it's ridiculous scams and scam "land prices" and non-existent security or customer service, makes most anything very creative and epic impossible.

But since LL already gave away the keys to SL to the predatory community of hackers, scammers and griefers, and the Open Grid thing is going to take off, sims will be on your own computers and "land" will actually be truly owned and essentially free (not counting ones own computer expenses or development costs.).

The big hurdle then, will be once you plug yourself into the even less secure grid, will be to combat the scammers and greifers out to capitalize on, or destroy the experience you intended, but my guess is the security tools to protect ones own local grids will become available and of course, when it's all local, you can always have a clean backup of your own, to repair anything that gets corrupted.

Maybe you should think in terms of designing and planning it all, generically, with an eye to the future of private 3D grids, that link together with others, as that gets established in the next few years. Essentially, you want to make a social, MMORPG computer game.

Are you trying the open grid free sims yet?

Chapter 13

...I walked into the club. it was dark. Very dark. Every prim of each 57-prim barstool was default-texture-black with shiny set to "none."

"Would a little glow every now and again hurt?" I mused to myself.

I meandered across the club in search of something to whet my dark appetites. My noob-blood fountain was running low, and I hadn't had a good blood-bath in days. With the black-on-black-on-black decor, I stumbled into several ill-placed barstools on my way to the darkest corner of the darkened room. I grimaced in annoyance. It's hard to exude a miasma of gloom when you're bumbling around like a freshly minted Ruth.

In the dim shadows, I finally sighted my prey, proudly wearing a bubinga-textured primis. I unsheathed my flaming sword.

"Unable to rez. Parcel is full."

*applauds*

*dies laughing*

Ladies and gentlemen, this thread has officially been won. Thank you all for your participation this evening.

Once you have added the word "bubinga" to your vocabularies, please move along to the Gorean thread, which frankly is flagging a bit and needs your support and encouragement.

I've always thought that the "prim" problem is like the real world "sustainable development," and "Limts to Growth" issues and population control.

Unlimited clean energy and expansion into space, is needed to plug in the whole planet without "prim" limits. In the meantime the frog is stuck in well and can't get out.

Well, no - there is a way in which Second Life could have all its limits removed without requiring unlimited resources.

Essentially, the Lindens would need to make sim servers extremely fast to load and swap around. Then, when you joined SL you'd have to pay a fee of US$9.95 a month which would buy you a share of a server. At any given moment, your server-share would host the sim (or half-sim) where you were at the time.

Result? No (or much lower) tier fees, and unlimited avs per sim..

I mean, if you look at the map, you can immediately see how many resources are effectively being wasted hosting empty sims!

No, removing limits would definitely require unlimited resources.

To remove them totally, yes. But storage is _much_ less expensive than hosting, and really hosting only has to scale with number of online users, not with size of data. On a web hosting platform, if your web site grows from 1gb to 2gb but your traffic doesn't grow, you might need to buy another hard disk, but not another server.

Yes there are many things that can be done far better. I was talking in more ultimate terms.

Nanoprims, Nano pixels, Nanotars it's all relative. "Honey I shrunk the kids"

But "bubinga" already WAS in my lexicon (<---linguist talk for "internal vocabulary collection"-

and I wish those noob primnises CAME with a bubinga texture...

Lots of people have great dreams to create in Sl, but the practicality now, as it is, meets a major brick wall.


One nice sim I have seen recently is "Liverpool" based on Liverpool of the 60's and the Beatles years, but it's going to need a lot more land for prims. As it is now much of it is false front buildings.

A nice sim is a work of art, but for it to really be all it could be, is cost prohibitive as long as land costs money and even if that is solved, where is the bandwidth and energy going to come from?

Hmmm... I know you're being a smart-aleck, but I betcha that the Grimm Brothers have first dibs..

No I wasn't actually. Aren't those all now Disney characters? They are well know for playing hardball with their trademarks.

Most of those fairy tales are globally known. Disney would have to apply for international trademarks for each one. Here's an article about Disney and "wordmarks" in New Zealand.

http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/29/disney-hijacking-ali.html

Plus, there are ballets, written stories, etc all involving those characters. Looking up "Cinderella" in Wikipedia, it seems that there are variations of the story around the world. I don't know if Disney could do that...

The real question hasn't been answered: how does one make money off a RP sim? I mean, really. The financial realities of most endeavors demand a working business plan, or a generous patron with no financial requirements. How does this thing pay for itself?

But of course traffic has something to do with the amount of data. If you have more data that gets accessed by the same number of users, of course your traffic will also grow.

The problem is that Disney has "submarined" some trademarks into the fairy stories which are now widely believed to be part of the traditional ones.

For example. Cinderella. Do your dwarves have a series of names ending in -y? Then you're breaking the law because that aspect was added by Disney.

What? I can't have dwarves named Cutey, Sexy, Drunky, Piggy, Horny, Griefy, and Newby?

Sheesh. (That was Snow White, BTW, with the dwarves...)

Disney can copyright their particular image of Cinderella, Snow White, et. all, but the "princesses" are public domain. If you wanted you could publish a Cinderella children's book using original artwork and public domain characters and Disney couldn't do a damn thing about it.

is what i'd like to know as well, some kind of shopping mall or residential area?

-Crunch

Yes, I was referring to the images of the Characters.