How mature is PG?

The 'Replace Outfit' choice is right below 'Wear'...I've had a few cursor slips where I ended up bald and naked except for a pair of shoes or something.

LL's PG rating sounds more like a U rating to me.

Usually that happens at the *end* of the date.

What embarrasses me most is having missing textures or flashing textures or messed up attachments. Being naked doesn't bother me as I'm a part-time naturist in SL.

Unless the functionality has changed, clothes must be copiable to exist over more than one outfit folder. Many of my clothes are no copy.

To which the reply might be that I should only buy copiable clothes, or that I should be satisfied with having each piece of clothing in one and only one outfit folder.

But the question is, if removing all clothes and then putting on different clothes is the only way that I know how to change clothes, is doing so in a PG sim, if in my own enclosed house, violate the rules of the PG sim?

There's head shaving involved in your dates?

Don't knock it till youve tried it.

Technically yes. Reality no ones gonna bust you for it. SOmeone would have to AR you for it. LL would have to read the AR and bother to respond rather than sending it to that great trash bin in the sky. What are the odds

Ah, I see...I don't do outfits. I prefer to mix and match according to my mood, so I have most things organized by separates. For example:

Tops > Halter/Tank > Black > 'designer name'
Bottoms > Skirts > Blue > 'designer name'

People buy PG homes because they are either ignorant of the rating (I did this once accidentally and quickly sold my land to get a mature plot) or they think that the need for privacy trumps the PG rating.

PG land is generally cheaper than mature land because of the limitations on the land. If you don't care about the rule, this is a way to get cheaper land.

You could do what my GF does ... buy *more* clothes.

I had a PG plot right next to a mature plot, the mature plot ended up with a gentleman's club on it, so my rental box had all sorts of terms and conditions about what you couldn't do and right next to it, at the same level, but on a neighbouring sim was a knocking shop.

If they'd zone PG properly it might encourage people to follow the guidelines more closely.

Simply going off a comparison presented by Massively.com

Actually, I'd think technically no, since there is no definition of what is disallowed in a PG zone.

I can't do something that I wouldn't let my grandmother see? She gave me baths when I was a child. If she accidentally saw me undressing. I doubt anyone would be particularly embarassed by that.

Beyond that, I do believe there would be very high chances that someone would AR me for it. There are busybodies everywhere in Second Life, who would take high satisfaction in zapping me for catching me on what they thought was a TOS violation. And I have no idea what kind of standards that the Linden reading the AR would apply. AR Linden may very well find that innocent nudity is something I never should let me grandmother see, and therefore I violated the vague PG rules.

And the active busybody who ARed me would know that the key to getting an AR read is to have a bunch of friends submit the same AR.

When I first bought mainland, I forgot to pay attention to whether the land was PG or not before buying it. I spent a while building an elaborate multi-wall skybox to prevent anyone but the most dedicated of peeper from seeing what I did inside. But not only did I use up most of my prims on extra skybox walls, I figured that it's just my luck, someone would still peep on me anyway, AR me for being naked inside my little fortress, and I'd get one of those suspend-now, ask-questions-never punishments. Rather than dealing with that silliness, I just decided to take a hit on selling the PG land and buying Mature land.

It would just be way too easy for an SL busybody to AR any number of innocuous things on PG land. It doesn't matter whether I think I may be right or wrong about what I'm doing on that PG land; it's just a lot easier for me to avoid PG land altogether. It avoids a lot of potential headaches.

I'm in the same boat. My PG land parcel is on the sim border of a mature region. The parcel in the mature region that is right next to mine is a BDSM wildlife park (?). It doesn't happen often but I have had their nude & chained visitors wander into my store.

I had a set of neighbors on the other side, in the PG region, who would have sex using those audio huds...and even though they were 40m away I could hear the audio. I never AR'd them because there was no one else in the sim at the time and it wasn't offending me, although if I had had a customer show up at my store at that time I might of AR'd or IMed them to ask for them to stop with the audio.

So that's where my old neighbors went!

Mari

Living in Spring Break Land (aka Central FL) that image just makes me shudder.

What's a U rating?

/me reads that over a few times slowly





/then spews Pepsi on the monitor

Not THAT kind of wildlife, at least I hope not...haven't seen it, but the parcel says its a wildlife park.


BTW...I guess that means your neighbors are gone now? Good to hear

Yup! Empty land

Mari

/me scratches head....

BDSM Wildlife park... i don't even want to know. LOL....

Yes, you can change clothes without undressing - but you can't adjust your shape with any kind of accuracy without getting completely nude.

I have a PG parcel, and by golly if I need to undress behind closed doors 600 meters up I will! The idea is absurd. We are, as has been pointed out in another thread, just Barbie and Ken dolls. Anyone wants to AR me for that, fine. LL would lose my funding and I might then get some real life art done for a change.
But I think we all know the difference between changing clothes and having an orgy. For me those are two very different activities.

This is what the CS say:

Indecency
Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines.

Policies and Policing
Global Standards, Local Ratings
All areas of Second Life, including the www.secondlife.com website and the Second Life Forums, adhere to the same Community Standards. Locations within Second Life are noted as Safe or Unsafe and rated Mature (M) or non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. Any unrated area of Second Life or the Second Life website should be considered non-Mature (PG).

So according to the explicitly named parts of the CS that means no nudity or sex.

If they were not explicitly named states/activities then you could possibly get away with doing what you wanted (within reason) and claim that you did not know what LL's definition of PG mean't and the only definition you knew about is the MPAA definition. However that is not the case sadly. That would have even been best for LL's non-policing policy.

Not saying I agree with all this - I think it is beyond absurd myself but there you are.

I grew up in a normal house where my parents often had sex right there in the house, got naked in the bath/shower and to change clothing everyday. I don't expect I was any different from a million children.
Couple all that with the fact that there are no real children in SL to damage (or should not be) and LL's sanitised PG declaration is ludicrous.

I started a thread on this topic with the same title as this message yesterday. The range of opinions was amazing, but what I took from it is that the classification into PG and Mature needs to be reconsidered. The squaky clean interpretation of PG forces ordinary people into Mature regions where changing your clothes in your bedrom is considered equivalent to a brothel. The thing that concerned me the most was the persistent statement that there is no right ot privacy in SL. If I am in my house, on my land, behind ban lines, and naked, and someone manipoulates there camera in such a way as to peer through my curtained windows and see me, they should not be allosed to file an AR. To me PG means no violence, no open nudity or sex, no pornography, no vicious clubs, and no obscene, violent, or hate chat - qualified by the right to privacy, i.e., to live a private life behind closed doors (no one has to be a peeping Tom and those who choose to do this should have no recourse to AR). Mature then would allow these things. But the notion that in a society of 18+ year olds no one can take their clothes off anywhere, anytime, for any reason, is absurd. I have an out house on my property. I m wondering how if an outhouse with a sit ball would violate the Puritan PG TOS. Linden Labs should revisit this whole matter and issue an official policy. Id be happy to write it.