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How mature is PG?

Rocky Rutabaga
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06-12-2008 11:41
From: someone
PG regions have frequently been described as an area where you're free to say and do things that you would feel comfortable doing in front of your grandmother, or a grade school class.

In Mature regions, Residents can be free to engage in more adult activity and language, though of course, explicit adult content must be contained behind "closed doors".

So there is no "privacy" in PG regions, concerning personal relationships, right? I could not us a SexGen bed in a locked skybox at 600 meters high, with no public access. Right? And if I rented land in a mainland PG sim and my tenants partook of consensual sex in their apartment, they (or I?) would be in violation?
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06-12-2008 11:45
From: Rocky Rutabaga
So there is no "privacy" in PG regions, concerning personal relationships, right? I could not us a SexGen bed in a locked skybox at 600 meters high, with no public access. Right? And if I rented land in a mainland PG sim and my tenants partook of consensual sex in their apartment, they (or I?) would be in violation?


in a PG region you answered yourself.... would you be comfortable using a sexgen bed in front of your gram or a grade school class?

common sense would say you wouldnt.
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Amity Slade
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06-12-2008 11:50
If you own your own piece of PG land, use a skybox beyond flying range, and enclose it so no one can see what you're doing inside your skybox without fancy camera work, then I think you're free to do what you want to do.

I don't think anyone can complain about your "adult" activity if, to see it, they have to intentionally look for it and bypass every piece of security you've put up to prevent viewing.

But, of course, there is always the idiot who will spy on your skybox, despite your best efforts to prevent it, and then go and complain that what the idiot was spying violated the PG policy. And who knows what Linden Labs will do with that abuse report. Their "PG" policy is completely subjective and they have no standards for enforcing it.
Ghosty Kips
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06-12-2008 11:50
From: Rocky Rutabaga
So there is no "privacy" in PG regions, concerning personal relationships, right? I could not us a SexGen bed in a locked skybox at 600 meters high, with no public access. Right? And if I rented land in a mainland PG sim and my tenants partook of consensual sex in their apartment, they (or I?) would be in violation?


PG is PG. There is no privacy in SL, and a locked skybox means nothing. I'd follow the rule and take the bed to a mature sim. :)
Colette Meiji
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06-12-2008 11:52
PG is supposed to be no sex stuff at all.

Mature is supposed to be sex stuff in the skybox.

There is no rating for sex out in the open, in plain view of the neighbors. according to the knowledge base it should not be happening.

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417

Over the years people have use the Mature description to apply to PG

and a "anything goes" attitude towards mature land.
Beebo Brink
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06-12-2008 11:54
Practically speaking, you could probably get away with activity of a sexual nature in a PG area if you were very discreet and your neighbors aren't nosy.

But technically, no, it's not allowed.
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Marianne McCann
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06-12-2008 12:04
"PG" in Second Life is the rough equivalent of "G" in movie ratings. Colette hit it all right on the head.
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06-12-2008 12:06
In my travels I've gleaned the impression that there are many more mature regions of mainland than PG ones. So I don't see why people would want to infringe the terms of a PG region, either in letter or spirit.

However, if you're having sex up in a skybox at 4000 metres (now that we can build that high) the chances of being discovered are remote, and if you are the chances of the person who sees you A] minding enough to complain or B] being aware that the region is PG - are very slim. I'm not suggesting people should infringe the PG TOS, mind!

My minimum dress standards in a PG sim for myself would be a bikini. Presumably there are limitations to the kind of adult chat that is acceptable in PG sims and also to the type of music lyrics that can be streamed to land. Certainly there should be, or else PG is pointless. I mean, if I go to a beach party in a PG sim and put my bikini on istead of going au naturel, only to find people effing and blinding in chat while we dance to Marilyn Manson telling us to 'be, be obscene...' Honestly, I bang my head!
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Amity Slade
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06-12-2008 12:09
Here's an interesting question that is hopefully related enough to the original post that it isn't a hijack:

If I have a home on PG land, am I allowed to be inside my own house and be naked for the seconds that it takes me to undress out of one outfit and get dressed in another outfit?
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06-12-2008 12:12
From: Amity Slade
If I have a home on PG land, am I allowed to be inside my own house and be naked for the seconds that it takes me to undress out of one outfit and get dressed in another outfit?

Check the Library for the free burka that covers you while you're changing.











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Darien Caldwell
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06-12-2008 12:12
The problem is PG stands for Parental Guidance. Since Everyone in SL is 18 or over, I think it's a ridiculous designation (unless you're 18 and still having your parents feed and dress you). As well, go check out PG movies, i think you would be surprised what you see.

Saying "PG means G" is reading a lot into it, which isn't there. IF PG means G, then it should say G.
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Conifer Dada
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06-12-2008 12:15
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If I have a home on PG land, am I allowed to be inside my own house and be naked for the seconds that it takes me to undress out of one outfit and get dressed in another outfit?


You could always claim it was accidental!!

I think we should have new region classification with 4 categories.

SC (squeaky clean)
NBN (naughty but nice)
SR (seriously raunchy)
DAP (disgusting and perverted)

I'm NBN
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Darkness Anubis
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06-12-2008 12:16
Long ago I asked a linden.

what it comes down to is sex is out even hidden away his quote was that hidden away whas the definition of what was allowed in MATURE.

No violence

No Foul language

No nudity

Rules seem to not be enforced as stringently these days. But that is what they basically still are.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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06-12-2008 12:16
From: Ghosty Kips
PG is PG. There is no privacy in SL, and a locked skybox means nothing. I'd follow the rule and take the bed to a mature sim. :)

Heh, the rule. The problem is, which rule? If you go by the Motion Picture Association of America, a PG film can contain profanity, violence, and nudity. Just not a lot of it. Ah, interesting. No drug use, though, in a PG film. You may occasionally change your clothing on a PG Sim, but don't smoke (if you go by the MPAA PG rating, heh).

Granted, it is a vague rule, and I do not think it is as lenient as the MPAA any longer. Heck, they didn't want kids at the birthday party to set up exhibits because of the mere idea that somebody might faint if they see them and think naughty thoughts (as in - are they ageplayers?) What kind of mind immediately leaps to the conclusion that someone is doing something naughty? Ah well, ratings are hard to tell, vague. Apparently perception, mere ideas, thoughts are evil and not suitable.

http://www.mpaa.org/FlmRat_Ratings.asp
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Ann Launay
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06-12-2008 12:17
From: Amity Slade

If I have a home on PG land, am I allowed to be inside my own house and be naked for the seconds that it takes me to undress out of one outfit and get dressed in another outfit?

You don't need to get naked in order to change.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Toy LaFollette
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06-12-2008 12:18
I still maintain LL made a mistake in the rating of regions, I believe Mature and Immature would work better.
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06-12-2008 12:20
From: Ann Launay
You don't need to get naked in order to change.

It has happened more than once where I'd switch one item of clothing for another and ended up naked. Say I switch a shirt, go into inventory and select it to wear. Prior shirt leaves. New shirt fails to rez. I'm no naked. Well topless . . well I didn't say I was wearing anything but a shirt so . . um, I distracted myself.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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06-12-2008 12:22
From: Toy LaFollette
I still maintain LL made a mistake in the rating of regions, I believe Mature and Immature would work better.

You'd have sex, violence, profanity, etc. in both then. Just one would be mature about it and the other would be immature, like a frat house let loose during spring break.
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Beebo Brink
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06-12-2008 12:23
If there's no one around, which is common for residential sims, the maturity rating is mostly irrelevant.

So if you're worried about being nekkid, just pull up the mini-map and make sure you're the only green dot.
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Darkness Anubis
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06-12-2008 12:23
From: Toy LaFollette
I still maintain LL made a mistake in the rating of regions, I believe Mature and Immature would work better.


problem is most of the immature people I run into are and need to be in mature land. ;)
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Amity Slade
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06-12-2008 12:23
From: Ann Launay
You don't need to get naked in order to change.


I do if I want to finish the process in less than half an hour.
Ghosty Kips
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06-12-2008 12:23
From: Lexxi Gynoid
Heh, the rule. The problem is, which rule?


LL's rule. Who cares what the MPAA thinks. It's a big grid, there's tons of mature sims, I see no need to needlessly push the envelope. I agree the rating system needs a tweak, but I understand the spirit of what's being asked and have no problem going along with the concept.
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06-12-2008 12:27
From: Amity Slade
I do if I want to finish the process in less than half an hour.

Uh, no, right-click > Wear replaces things just fine. My av is rarely nude, even though I live in a mature sim.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Lexxi Gynoid
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06-12-2008 12:28
From: Ghosty Kips
LL's rule. Who cares what the MPAA thinks. It's a big grid, there's tons of mature sims, I see no need to needlessly push the envelope. I agree the rating system needs a tweak, but I understand the spirit of what's being asked and have no problem going along with the concept.

Heh, no I meant which rule is LL applying? I know that it is the PG/Mature rule of LL, not MPAA, but what is the rule? That is why I mentioned the MPAA because some say something like "no nudity in PG films", and there can be nudity in PG films. People don't understand the MPAA and it has been around since 1968 and people are still confused.

The rule seems to morph and change depending on which Linden you talk to, or which blog post you read, or which helpful guide you happen to stumble across.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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06-12-2008 12:30
From: Ann Launay
Uh, no, right-click > Wear replaces things just fine. My av is rarely nude, even though I live in a mature sim.

You are lucky then, because I've many times ended up nude when trying to change clothing, and don't want to be nude.

And yes, I'm talking about using wear. Though I tend to use Add to outfit, but I get the problem no matter what I try.
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