Child Av situational concerns

Heya folks, I'd like a little advice on something.

Let's say I wanted to rent a new place. Let's suppose I've found a place that suits my needs in every possible way - from "location" (inasmuch as location matters in SL) to pricing, and everything in between. Let us assume that there's no other place that meets my satisfaction, so that it's either rent this place or rent no place at all. It will be a privately-owned sim, but generally is publically-accessible.

Let's also say this place is partially furnished, and that it is a themed build, and the furnishings present are part of the theme as far as aesthetic design/texturing goes. I do not know for sure, but let's assume that it's incredibly likely I would be unable to change or remove the included furnishings, or have them changed or removed.

With all these things in mind, let me try and work my way to the actual question.

The space is provided with a bed. As is true of quite nearly every single bed-included rental in SL, the bed has a menu. This is not explicitly identified as a "sex bed", and the menu options are not explicit; however, it is obvious that some of those options are sex related.

The space is access-restrictable, and the windows are blockable; but those things don't matter so much, because obviously nobody who ever cams into the place while I (or anybody else I allow) am there will ever see the sex options of the bed being used.

Question: Should I rent this place? As I said, the bed is not specifically a "sex bed"; however, SOME of the POSSIBLE options are sex-related. Could I be AR'd for merely being near this item? I do not think so; my SL mom's house has some similar furniture and I simply don't use it. Should I go ahead and rent the place and just never use the bed at all (the non-adult features, I mean)?

Comments? Suggestions?

is hopping on the bed one of the options?

*sighs*

There are nearly endless possibilities for rentals in Second Life that do not cross the vague borderlines of Linden Labs vague guidelines. Unless there is something about this "region" that caters to your roleplaying needs, I would suggest residing on a sim that doesnt put your reputation or plans in question. I think it sucks, but being a minority in SL has its consequences and from my perspectives, some "questionable" places just arent worth it!

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Since you already expressed the possibilities, you seem to know the risks involved

Once again, we're assuming that it's either this place or no place; that this place is perfect and no other place is. "Finding another place" is not an option.

Rez a prim over the bed.

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Ohhh it's a game!

I cant imagine why you couldnt contact the renter and ask if they can remove the bed. You could no doubt put something in its place like an arcade game or action figure collection.

While you may have no intentions of using the bed, someone visiting might experiment with the menu which could just be caught in a screenshot - because murphy's law would say there had to be someone visiting the island camming in at that moment anyway - or a soon to be former friend spills it to LL. You know best of those odds.

It could conceivably be an issue if someone put in an AR on you. This is not likely, but could still be a concern. Silly as it is, really.

I would suggest taking the question to the Governance Office Hours, though I bet they'll jes love it. :-/

I thought for a while of rezzing the sex oreinted pose balls and adjusting their height to somewhere underground. That way the other options would still be available. But it may not be modifiable and the owner may not appreciate that much damage.

I'd say in view of the segment quoted above, you should be fine if you keep the door locked so strangers won't be coming in eating your porridge and thinking your bed is just right.

[Edit: But then I'm a naive optimist when not a curmudgeon]

It's a shame you have to be this careful.

If you have to have a rental there got to be another rental that isn't there a rental out of numerous rentals that is unfurnished that you can rezz your own kid friendly furniture that is same price?

Lias: That is actually a very, very good idea. The best so far, in my opinion.

Adz: Yes!

Holocluck: Since I'm trying to leave place names, and anything which might suggest specific places, out of the thread, you'll have to forgive me for being intentionally vague. But here's the deal: this place has rules, lots of rules, and it is obvious that some care has gone into drafting them. Still and all, none of the rules applies to, mentions, or even suggests the existence of child avatars. This suggests that the creators at the moment don't think child avatars are a problem. Perhaps they haven't even considered them; I've seen all manner of avatars at this place and they probably really couldn't care less about what an individual's avatar looks like. In any case, if I start asking them to make exceptions for me - exceptions that would not need to be made for anybody else - it might turn their attention to child avatars as an issue that needs to be addressed. And they, in turn, might decide that it's not worth the trouble, and explicitly disallow child avatars. I don't want that. I don't want to be thought of as a person who's going to need exceptions to be made. I want to walk up, pay the big RENT ME box, join the group, and move in just like every other person who rents there has done, and will do in the future: without needing to have a "there's some things you have to know about me" conversation with one of the owner reps.

Mari: I'm strongly considering talking to someone on the G-Team. I do not like to ask during office hours, though; because (in my personal opinion), when a question is asked at the office hour, there's pressure to have it answered definitively in a couple of minutes' time, which means a rushed judgement, and I think I stand a better chance of hearing what I want to hear if the Linden In Question isn't hard-pressed to answer right away. I've talked with Trinity a couple times in IM/notecard when I've had questions. Perhaps I'll ask her.

Weston: Perhaps I don't HAVE to be this careful; maybe I'm just being paranoid. But at the end of the day, paranoid people do tend to live a little longer...

Other rentals, yes. Same price....maybe, I'm sure I could find one. But remember the rules - no other places! It's either rent or do not rent.

Dakota I don't know you. Can I ask a question?

Are you actually underage, or are you an adult using a child avi?

The presence of the offending bed implies the Sim is "mature" and you shouldn't even be there if you are underage.

If you are just using a child avi, then surely it can't be wrong just to be near the bed. Someone please tell me that you can't be AR'd for that. Or is paedophiliphobia (My invented word) reaching ridiculous proportions now?



Philosophical questions aside - Holocluck has already given you the answer - just ask the renter to remove the bed.

Minors should not be allowed to rent property.

Pep (If you are going to play the game then play it properly)

You've clearly put a lot of thought into this, but your landlord is NOT going to refuse to let you switch out the bed for a sleep bed, or something else setting-appropriate. It's not an odd request at all, you wouldn't have to explain the paranoia factor.

Seems to me that if the landlord would not let you switch out the bed (and I agree: that seems vanishingly unlikely), then the place is hardly satisfactory--and not because of the bed.

But assuming for the sake of the game that everywhere else on the grid is even more unsatisfactory, I actually quite like Wes's idea of adjusting the poses in the bed. I'll even bet that some of those animations could look pretty funny rearranged the right way.

Just be careful of the juxtaposition to stuffed animals.

Only problem I could see with bed with those poses is because of policy what
if you were afk in safe pose and some group member who has access to group object or even non-group member pushing the bed and changing the poses because they could.
And they thought it was funny and changed the poses into sexual one and it would take only one photo or AR of you on the bed in compromising position even with stuffed animal to get kicked off sl.
There has been few situations that I have know griefers intentionally causing situations to AR people just for kicks.
I hate that to happen to you Dakota or anyone else for doing something as simple thing as taking a SL nap or innocent activity that they did online afk being misconstrued into something that caused them problems later.

Indeed it has. (Also known as paedogeddon). At SL5B, at one point child avatars were not even allowed to be in the same image as an adult, let alone near a bed!
Frankly, however ridiculous it sounds, I think the problem Dakota brings up is a valid one. Somebody out on a crusade (or somebody specifically angry at you) could cost you the account. I am not sure hiding the bed is a good idea, or if it will be viewed *specifically* as you trying to hide indecent activities.
Whether that should prevent you from renting such a space is a question about how much you consider it a risk, and how much you're willing to fight if you do get hit by a knee-jerk reaction by some Linden trying to avoid the next Fox-sponsored hysteria.
Idealistically, I'd say rent it and try to edge the policies and hysteria back a little by actually leading by reasonable example (and take the fight if necessary), but, well, that's easy for me to say...

I can't imagine the landlord wouldn't swap out the bed. Have you asked?

If not...well, it stinks, but with your rules of the game, you gotta ask yourself if the place is worth the risk of AR. A few other kids can tell you how trigger happy LL is with AR bans these days. Ban first, investigate later (if at all).

You could always try growing up.

But he's not a minor. He's jes a kid.



In a word, yes. Here's where Dakota's concern comes from:

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/11/13/clarification-of-policy-disallowing-ageplay/

"2) promoting or catering to such behavior or representations violates our Community Standards. For instance, the placement of avatars appearing to represent minors in proximity to “sex beds” or other sexualized graphics, objects, or scripts, would violate our Community Standards, as would the placement of sexualized “pose balls” or other content in areas depicting playgrounds or children’s spaces;"

The example that led to the rule was specific, however this rule does lead to a lot of gray area that could be exploited.



Now where's th' fun in that?

*points to the aforementioned sex bed*

Place an invisible prim over the bed, so that when you try to touch the bed, you instead touch the invisible prim. That way, you can't activate the "sex bed" menus, and you can substitute a G-rated slumber animation instead.

A baby goat?

Pep (That's OK then; bestiality is allowed even if age-play is not)

Whoa - no. My "RL alt" is quite adult. If I were truly underage, AND knew how to properly use a semicolon, I would be one of those mensa kids whose parents force them into too many AP classes and activities to be able to spend any appreciable amount of time in Second Life.



Well, you CAN be AR'd for just about anything. I do not think there is a truly significant segment of the SL userbase who would cam around to find a child av and, upon finding one, start clicking everything nearby to find out whether or not there's any naughty poses hidden in them. But there ARE some, as has been demonstrated in the past. And with my luck, at least one of them is probably stalking me.



It is a valid possibility; but before imposing upon the management, I want to exhaust every other possibility first.