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Okiphia Rayna
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11-03-2007 15:52
From: Chaos Bikcin
ok, its a waste of there time tho, i can just make another alt, and transfer all of my funds over using the web services (i allready "back up" my inventory once a day after loosing everything in it)

it would just be a waste of both (me and LL's) time


Using the web services? Just pay the alt...

and.. just wondering.. how do you'back up' your inventory?
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Wilhelm Neumann
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11-03-2007 16:03
From: Bradley Bracken
Agree with you Chaos. It's been discussed here many times. It is,what they do, though, so just be sure to remember that for your own sake.


They do it because just a forum ban doens't really have the effect of stopping the crazy forum atmosphere that they used to have. They did used to only forum ban but found that it had little to no effect because people didn't actualy care if they got forum banned, but did care if they got banned ingame. So they switched it to be a universal ban. That being said a lot of people the way they act on forums can relate to ingame although often many people say no. I'm a pretty shall we say uh monotone type and any flames from me are barely enough to register on the flame scale beacuse I dont ahve it in me. I dont have it in me to do it ingame or cause troubles from someone ingame.

In this case the posts seemed to match the ingame behaviour at one point. Mentions of causing trouble for sim owners he didnt like ingame and mentions on forums matched so the habits did match.

In any event forum bannings simply did not sting enough so they linked it to game account so that they actually meant something.
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Sindy Tsure
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11-03-2007 16:07
From: Chaos Bikcin
anyway i cant really do anything about my english (bristolian)

Uh.. What?

We're not talking about not swearing when you smash your finger with a hammer - we're talking about stuff you type in on the computer. You really have no control over this??
Wilhelm Neumann
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11-03-2007 16:13
From: Chaos Bikcin
yeh i know i need 2 chill down a bit, why would they ban my SL account from just using the forums, isnt that a bit minimalist and lame.

anyway i cant really do anything about my english (bristolian) but ill not blast someone out of the water if they flame my post. it does piss me off tho when people are just out right cold & rude, if they were like that in RL (its ok to be open, and say what u think, but not so that is it cold & rude, and intended 2 hurt the other person) then they'd get quite badly hurt

(that was said politely, i could have said, get there 'ead caved in, hehe)



This come down to personality. If someone is rude to me i walk away or ask them to leave my house. I have never layed a hand on another person except once in gradeschool and the results were not that i ever did it again because of my size. The person had badgered me for two years so one day i finally had enough. Because I was above average heigh and by that i mean I would tower over teachers even in grade 6 I could pack a good punch so one day i did. Being a quiet type this was totally off colour for me but the ability to literally pick someone off the ground and toss them across the schoolyard and cause them to have permanent scars was a feeling I never wanted to repeat again. The minute I did it even though I had been putting up with nothing but verbal abuse from the person for two years was enough to make me never ever do it again. Others like to punch others out I however do not. The minute I did it i ran over and was in tears for doing it. I myself went and got help and spent about 2 days apologizing to the person lol. They were indeed scared of me after that and never did it again so it worked but I didn't like that power so I never did it again. If you feel okay punching peole out in real world your personality is reflecting it on the boards sometimes.

So really if someone is bothering you in real world walking away or asking them to leave the house is better then stooping to their level or punching them out. Neither party looks particularly good and I consider this board to be a part of the real world where people fall out of any character they may play and discuss things.

But lets jsut say that mother of that person called up my mother and spoke to me and told me she knew her kid was a brat and probably deserved it that's how bad it was everyone was busy consoling me not the person who got tossed across the schoolyard but its not something i ever repeated again and whenever someone talks about what they would do in real world with regards to dealing with people who are jerks I remember that incident :P

I'm 43 now I was maybe 12 at the time? lol that was a long time ago..
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Alicia Sautereau
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11-03-2007 17:16
From: Okiphia Rayna
Using the web services? Just pay the alt...

and.. just wondering.. how do you'back up' your inventory?

copybot or the object to text script


/me starts grinnig
Wilhelm Neumann
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11-03-2007 18:17
From: Sindy Tsure
Uh.. What?

We're not talking about not swearing when you smash your finger with a hammer - we're talking about stuff you type in on the computer. You really have no control over this??


either that or all those societies that exist in england so save the queen's english are really needed. However I dont think they teach kids to swear in grade school no matter where you grew up on england or any other country. So yeah some self control is always nice :)

I'm not sure what bristol has to do with this unless of course they now teach them to swear in grade school in which case my poor old staunchy very very proud proper english dad is not gonna be impressed. YOu shoulda seen him when he watched braveheart ...
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Colette Meiji
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Duh
11-03-2007 21:16
I could really care less about his language.

The bottom line is he made a Thread with the express purpose to attack another resident.

That is not the same thing .. at all .. at being flamed in a thread.


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You'd probably get a similar warning if you started a thread "Colette Meiji is an Idiot" with no profanity at all.
Alicia Sautereau
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11-03-2007 21:26
From: Colette Meiji
I could really care less about his language.

The bottom line is he made a Thread with the express purpose to attack another resident.

That is not the same thing .. at all .. at being flamed in a thread.


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You'd probably get a similar warning if you started a thread "Colette Meiji is an Idiot" with no profanity at all.

even if the attacked loves it and even posts to keep it alive? ;) :p :D :cool:
Colette Meiji
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11-03-2007 21:40
From: Alicia Sautereau
even if the attacked loves it and even posts to keep it alive? ;) :p :D :cool:


Well yes, actually because it would be impossible to keep order around here if there was no sanction for making threads with the only purpose being a personal attack.

Every flame war would devolve into extra threads of personal attacks, etc.
Alicia Sautereau
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11-03-2007 21:50
From: Colette Meiji
Well yes, actually because it would be impossible to keep order around here if there was no sanction for making threads with the only purpose being a personal attack.

Every flame war would devolve into extra threads of personal attacks, etc.

true, but must admit it was fun that thread
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11-03-2007 22:43
From: Wilhelm Neumann
This come down to personality. If someone is rude to me i walk away or ask them to leave my house. I have never layed a hand on another person except once in gradeschool and the results were not that i ever did it again because of my size. The person had badgered me for two years so one day i finally had enough. Because I was above average heigh and by that i mean I would tower over teachers even in grade 6 I could pack a good punch so one day i did. Being a quiet type this was totally off colour for me but the ability to literally pick someone off the ground and toss them across the schoolyard and cause them to have permanent scars was a feeling I never wanted to repeat again. The minute I did it even though I had been putting up with nothing but verbal abuse from the person for two years was enough to make me never ever do it again. Others like to punch others out I however do not. The minute I did it i ran over and was in tears for doing it. I myself went and got help and spent about 2 days apologizing to the person lol. They were indeed scared of me after that and never did it again so it worked but I didn't like that power so I never did it again. If you feel okay punching peole out in real world your personality is reflecting it on the boards sometimes.

So really if someone is bothering you in real world walking away or asking them to leave the house is better then stooping to their level or punching them out. Neither party looks particularly good and I consider this board to be a part of the real world where people fall out of any character they may play and discuss things.

But lets jsut say that mother of that person called up my mother and spoke to me and told me she knew her kid was a brat and probably deserved it that's how bad it was everyone was busy consoling me not the person who got tossed across the schoolyard but its not something i ever repeated again and whenever someone talks about what they would do in real world with regards to dealing with people who are jerks I remember that incident :P

I'm 43 now I was maybe 12 at the time? lol that was a long time ago..

Geeze you have got yourself a good heart, conscience, or whatever it is. Where I live, everyone is known to fight and in the elementary and highshcools, it`s a daily thing..sometimes severel times a day; so phsyically harming someone is the "norm". I personally do not like to lay hands on people either, I don`t like the feeling of hurting someone that way, but *if* people upset me, and I give them fair warning, my anger gets the best of me. Lucky for me this is usually family members or friends who know I won`t kill them, outsiders leave me be lol I do believe in harming people to protect yourself, but people who have to go and hurt others "just cause" or for minor things is foolish and infact, the easy way out. I find it harder to control my tongue then I do to just knock someone upside the head.
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Strife Onizuka
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11-04-2007 02:02
I'm sorry for not seeing this thread sooner, I would have closed it on the spot.

From: Chaos Bikcin
ok, its a waste of there time tho, i can just make another alt, and transfer all of my funds over using the web services (i allready "back up" my inventory once a day after loosing everything in it)

it would just be a waste of both (me and LL's) time


Just a friendly reminder, Alt abuse increases the punishment. I know of one person who was IP banned because of continued alt abuse (on the forums) but that was before the forums required payment info on file. LL can and does ban people by their payment info as well.

LL holds all the cards. Abandon this course of action or that email won't be last you receive. It's not a threat, I don't make threats, I'm telling you how the system works.

From: Forum Guildelines

Alternate Account Abuse: When an account is suspended from the SL Forums, alternate account misuse will cause an increase in suspension time for both accounts. For instance, if Jane SecondLifer is suspended from the forums for three days and comes back to the forums on the second day of her suspension as an alt and breaks the Community Standards again, both accounts will be suspended from the SL Forums for seven more days. Every effort will be made to take into consideration the general feeling of the forum, but Linden Lab has the final say.

Reposting – If a moderator removes your post, do not repost it elsewhere. Do not repost threads that have been locked or deleted and do not repost content that has been edited or deleted by a moderator. Furthermore, please do not post a "why did my post get removed" post. Send any further discussion regarding post removals to [email]abuse@lindenlab.com[/email].

Recourse: If Linden Lab takes disciplinary action against you that you believe was unfair or inconsistent, you may appeal the decision. An appeal is an e-mail explaining your situation and why you believe you should not have been disciplined. Appeals must be sent to [email]abuse@secondlife.com[/email], and must follow this appeals procedure, or they will not be considered. You may submit only one appeal per disciplinary action.

I have washed my hands of this matter, they are clean.
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