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Does anyone live in Cherry Hill, NJ? Dangers of a Virtual World presentation tonight

Innula Zenovka
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01-12-2010 16:13
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You will experience areas of virtual worlds that will 'shock the conscious.'"

That's not very good. The Player King in Hamlet would
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drown the stage with tears,
And cleave the general ear with horrid speech,
Make mad the guilty, and appall the free,
Confound the ignorant, and amaze indeed
The very faculties of eyes and ears.
And Hamlet's father's ghost
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could a tale unfold whose lightest word
Would harrow up thy soul, freeze thy young blood,
Make thy two eyes, like stars, start from their spheres,
Thy knotted and combined locks to part
And each particular hair to stand on end,
Like quills upon the fretful porpentine:
(which sounds rather like some prim hairs I have seen, come to think of it).
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01-12-2010 16:15
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "S"
That rhymes with "cess"
And that stands for CessPool,
(That stands for pool!)
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral after school!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...
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Brenda Connolly
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01-12-2010 16:17
From: Qie Niangao
That may be exactly it: our good officer is just trying to get a little exposure with his travelling SL freak show so he can get the hell out of Mayberry. I mean, wouldn't you?


Park Ridge is a very upscale community. Hertz and Sony have headquarters there. Richard Nixon lived there in his last years, and James Gandolfini aka Tony Soprano grew up there.

It's the type of place where rich bored housewives gather for lunch, and cluck their tongues and gossip about "regular people", passing judgement as they suck down margaritas and Manhattans. It's the same atmosphere that breeds entities like the PMRC.

I'm guessing there's few real life boggeymen for the constable to go looking for so he has decided to chase after cartoon perverts in a make believe world.
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01-12-2010 16:19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Bf2d8rRM0
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Ponsonby Low
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01-12-2010 16:21
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You will experience areas of virtual worlds that will 'shock the conscious.'


From: Innula Zenovka
That's not very good. .


I haven't yet found an 'earliest citation' for the exact phrase "Shock the conscience", but this was interesting:


SHOCK-THE-CONSCIENCE TEST
A determination of whether a state agent's actions fall outside the standards of civilized decency.
The U.S. Supreme Court established the "shock-the-conscience test" in rochin v. california, 342 U.S. 165, 72 S. Ct. 205, 96 L. Ed. 183 (1952). Based on the Fourteenth Amendment's prohibition against states depriving any person of "life, liberty, or property without due process of law," the test prohibits conduct by state agents that falls outside the standards of civilized decency. Little used since the 1960s, the test has been criticized for permitting judges to assert their subjective views on what constitutes "shocking."
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Veritable Quandry
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01-12-2010 16:53
From: Brenda Connolly
What the hell is he doing in Cherry Hill if we works in Park Ridge? That's on the opposite end of the State, near the New York border. He should be acting like an idiot in his own county.

He's on a road show. Academics do it too, I'm afraid. Find a sensational and lurid topic and get invited to do presentations on it. If you're the first to research it, you're "the expert." I found programs he has been on in Canada, California, and a few other places. It's the lowest form of sensationalism and fear mongering. I found a dead link to an article where he was "warning teachers of the dangers of Second Life" (actual title), which really pisses me off. Virtual worlds have the potential to be powerful educational tools, and we have these idiots with badges or offices ignoring the real issues of online bullying and protecting young people online through education and some parental/teacher involvement, and instead they go for the gutter and talk about how every perv is online looking to molest children. Willful ignorance is the one thing that really p*sses me off. Spreading it in the name of education and protecting the children (who are, incidentally, stronger than you think) deserves a special level of hell.
Joshooah Lovenkraft
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01-12-2010 17:10
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He's on a road show. Academics do it too, I'm afraid. Find a sensational and lurid topic and get invited to do presentations on it. If you're the first to research it, you're "the expert." I found programs he has been on in Canada, California, and a few other places. It's the lowest form of sensationalism and fear mongering. I found a dead link to an article where he was "warning teachers of the dangers of Second Life" (actual title), which really pisses me off. Virtual worlds have the potential to be powerful educational tools, and we have these idiots with badges or offices ignoring the real issues of online bullying and protecting young people online through education and some parental/teacher involvement, and instead they go for the gutter and talk about how every perv is online looking to molest children. Willful ignorance is the one thing that really p*sses me off. Spreading it in the name of education and protecting the children (who are, incidentally, stronger than you think) deserves a special level of hell.


I was about to say the same. He's most definitely on a road show and credited as an "expert" on internetz safety.
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Milla Janick
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01-12-2010 17:19
From: Scylla Rhiadra
Yep. I agree that this is all not very well or precisely expressed. And there probably is an element of "fear mongering" at work here. But this is also not quoted from his actual presentation, but from a very brief blurb put together by a news station, so I wouldn't condemn his approach purely on this basis.

I am quite willing to accept that there might be holes in his approach that you can drive a truck through. Again, however, I'd want to hear what HE actually has to say before merely dismissing it.

A Google search reveals more of the same and no evidence that he is anything but a sensationalist scaremonger.

His words are out there, and he appears to be nothing more than a Mark Kirk wannabe. I see no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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01-12-2010 18:09
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A Google search reveals more of the same and no evidence that he is anything but a sensationalist scaremonger.

His words are out there, and he appears to be nothing more than a Mark Kirk wannabe. I see no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah, well . . .

In the light of the more recent evidence that has come to light here, I am going to concede that this probably would not be very worthwhile. But I'd still want to hear what he actually had to say before I would remove the qualifier "probably."

Anyway, I have to run . . . the Greycoach to NJ leaves in a quarter of an hour . . .
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01-12-2010 18:11
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Yeah, well . . .

In the light of the more recent evidence that has come to light here, I am going to concede that this probably would not be very worthwhile. But I'd still want to hear what he actually had to say before I would remove the qualifier "probably."

Anyway, I have to run . . . the Greycoach to NJ leaves in a quarter of an hour . . .


Don't talk to strangers on the bus.
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01-12-2010 18:11
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Don't talk to strangers on the bus.

But that's the most interesting part of the trip!!
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01-12-2010 18:13
From: Brenda Connolly
Don't talk to strangers on the bus.

Don't sit next to the consumptive or take a drink from that bottle the nice man offers you either.
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01-12-2010 18:19
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01-12-2010 19:13
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Don't sit next to the consumptive or take a drink from that bottle the nice man offers you either.

but definitely make a point to call that nice woman that offered you her number...
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Dekka Raymaker
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01-13-2010 02:17
On the other side of this, my Ex's parents live in a small village in the North of England, while she was there this Christmas she picked up the local parish/church magazine and the vicar had written an article in it about how wonderful his life was in Second Life and how many friends he had made there.
Kara Spengler
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01-13-2010 04:07
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From: New Jersey Prevention Network

Dangers of Virtual Worlds
This presentation will take participants deep into the virtual worlds that exist online that attract young adults. Law enforcement, social service specialists and child advocates should be concerned and alarmed on how this virtual life will affect kids AND adults.



They should look on the web for the videos/pictures of Camp Hardknock then. Not sure how you can have a more innocent depiction of SL than that.

Maybe they are scared about kid avatars raising money for Relay for Life? Or is it those snowball fights?

You do have to question the mental state of anyone who can not understand that kid avatar in a virtual reality is not the same as a RL kid. On the internet, nobody knows you are a god.
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01-13-2010 07:03
So... anyone see this, or know of a video recording of it?
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