Harassment of Escorts, Exotic Dancers, and Sex Workers in SL?

But wasn't anarchocapitalist Murray "squishy soft" Rothbard's thing?

You might well be right: there was a time when I assumed that the Canadian BBB was really just a sort of club for paying businesses that functioned largely for advertising and PR purposes.

But I would, in any case, be less interested in how it was perceived by customers than in whether it actually did work to compel compliance to standards (including "customers' rights).

I guess the question is, what's "in it" for the business owners? Why would the industry want to police itself in the first place? I can think of reasons, but I'm not sure that the owners would find them compelling enough.

Sounds a reasonable set-up.

I had a newbie friend ages ago (she may still be in my contacts, but I don't think she's in SL anymore) who was, despite my gentle attempts at dissuasion, so determined to earn money quickly in-world that she was hell-bent to become an exotic dancer. (I suspect that she really WANTED to be a dancer, of course, despite her denials.) She was offered a job by a club owner, and I suggested she take exactly the action you suggest: talk to current employees. And, interestingly, she learned that he actually WAS, apparently, something of a sleaze.

Not sure what's happened to her since. Probably kidnapped and working as a sex slave in some far-off sim somewhere ...

Most escort business is in the Add boards..An escort will be in a ton of groups where they have adds..They may have rooms in some of them for them to take people but for the most part a business gets their money from the adds..Most escorts have spots they like to take their clients if it is in sl..escorts are pretty must self employed..if one place that has adds wants to dip into their money from clients or bring on some kind of major rules that will affect their income..most would probably just go elsewhere unless they were really getting clients there..

Right, this makes sense. And is a much safer arrangement than the characteristic RL one. How important is it to get on the Ad board of the really hot clubs?

From what I have gathered, it's a different set up for dancers/strippers? With a percentage of the take going to the house?

I managed one of the bigger clubs awhile back that had over 450 dancers and escorts and really we did not get a % of the escorts..just the add money..if i could ever get them to pay the dang things lol it turned into a job itself which took away from my main job on the club..finally we just pulled the adds because they were too much of a pain..

dancers we had gotten 20% of the tips..

He was still squishy.


Compared to me, he is almost Obama.

Ah. So the club got 20%? Did you ever find that dancers were cheating by accepting tips directly, rather than through the tip jar?

that is going to happen..you can try to rip your hair out trying to stop it or you can mentor them and try to make it a place where they would not want to do things like that..

some things are just not worth trying to stop..sure we had rules for that and if they were caught we would warn them..but when jars were getting to 7k per dancer a clothes change on avg nights they really didn't feel the need to do that..

i had guys just dropping tips on me when i danced which was more or less their way of showing they wanted me to have all the money and the club none..i would wait until they left and then add it to my jar..a lot did that actually..so i think we were very lucky we hd some very good mentors..

our club.girls went through two weeks of classes and then the first night they go on stage with their mentor..so they were really wanting to work there and it was a very exciting stage ..

I remember girls being actually nervous to go on so i would come and go on with them all the time until they felt relaxed..then later would get IM's of how much they loved it up there and thanked me for hiring them..so i think it was a small problem with skimming at that club..some did it but really you just see them for who they are and run with that..

It is easy to spot the ones out that were skimming..i never really made a big deal about it at the time i saw them doing it ..i just overlooked them when it was time to pick a new lead dancer or assistant manager or other positions..

i can't speak for other clubs but i know percentage wise we didn't have that big of a problem because we had a very good staff and a good business plan..

Curious as to how you could tell if someone was skimming?

Presumably you might catch a particle beam? Is there one for paying someone? I've forgotten (people so rarely pay me . . . )

Well, just as a point of interest, i was employed/owned an escort agency since March 2006, one of the oldest on the grid. Hate to bust ya bubble, but a LOT of employees skim. Hard to tell. I know that a lot of times, while dancing, Guys don't realize i am the owner and pay me directly so that i *get what i am worth*, to which i always reply... I am priceless, but thank you, clubs pays 100% tips to girls. That tends to stop the problem right there That's why we depend on Ad rents for our money. at the prices we charge, one hour or less on the pole pays 2+ weeks ad rent. That's also why our regular ads (that's all escort ads except the verified webcam ads) Stay 99.9% full, average empty time per ad less than an hour...We have almost zero employee turnover

~Brie

well a lot had to do with being with the place i was working for so long..
I just built up a knack for it..i could spot them out in any club really..
I doubt i could no because i don't make clubs my main interest anymore.. i haven't really been to any lately to see if it's still there lol

after awhile you learn the customers and when you have danced in one place as long as i did you have them all infront of you at one point or the other..plus Dancers talk amongst each other..and i was one of the girls that the others turned to when someone was hurting the club..even when i went to manager i made sure i let the dancers know they were my top priority..so i kept their trust..

plus you could see the dots at times..when i was manager i spent all my time watching the stage and in IM's..the jar was at their feet and the line would be on the dancer..most times you saw the arm of the person tipping them direct too lol

but more times than not it was a dancer telling me to watch another dancer because they felt they were not putting in group tips or that such and such is in front of this girl and her jar is on 500..

There were a lot of ways really..

you don't have to worry about bursting my bubble..i know they were skimming but i also know it wasn't as hard as a lot of places..but our club was not the main interest or money maker..it was the land rentals
Escorts would skim all the time which we faded out over time..they wouldn't pay their add and wanted to get to the dancer tips because the money was better..
we were not an escort service but a night club so around a year and a half ago we got rid of adds..
i would say if you have a club full of escorts yes make it 100% tips cause they are gonna skim anyways..if you have girls wanting to get on your stage because you have one of the best stages at the time then you won't have as big of a problem..

The club was also from back in 2006 GOL..they don't have dancers there anymore..just good DJ's and a good crowd..i think a lot had to do with not wanting to even mess with the changes coming with all this adult content crap..

i burst my own bubble a long time ago when i said i can't do this anymore hahahaha

What was the name of your place .i may know it?

Crap.... /me goes off in search of additional label definitions...

You know what I say about labels.

Let's just say that her "location" on her forumprofile directs to a sim that has only 1 club in it.

Or anybody for that Matter.
Interesting thing is, the same people who would deny these rights to others (Including sex workers) would squeal like scalded hogs if they themselves were denied any ONE of these rights.

Rights are for EVERYBODY, or eventually they will be for Nobody.

Angel.

I was referring to the one that was around before in 2006..I may have known that one..