Harassment of Escorts, Exotic Dancers, and Sex Workers in SL?

Of course I do not mean specific to sex work in SL, as I pasted the words I googled, which referred to the German workers and sex industry rumor already mentioned, that was debunked by Snopes. To find other articles reffering to this, I used germany forced brothel work, leaving off fox news.

If FOX is the most sensational US news you can find, then you must not watch the mainstream media or CNN, either.



I was not quoting FOX, I was checking Melodie Darwin's use of them as some vague source for a rumor. And I find that disputing anything which brings up some watchword of yours, such as FOX news, and obviously not following a thread of thought also is a good way to destroy one's credibility, as does labelling the majority of cable watchers as the lunatic fringe.

Agreed.

moveon.org is hardly left wing. I'd call them center right.

Only if you are somewhat left of the average communist.

You didn't get the memo? The ex-soviet ex-communists are the new right, and libertarians are the new left.

I thought they were the green party now. I need to check my emails more often.

Did you get the email about Manbearpig?

Nobody tells me anything.

So, Chris, what's your take on Murray Rothbard? Squishy-soft on statism?

Better than most. But yeah, kinda soft.


Totally beside the point, but watching a show on Discovery about a giant male ant who is kidnapped and taken back to the nest as a sex slave "The females only want him for his sperm." Talk about your harassment.

Sure you don't have a TRON suit?

I am not Tron guy.

Whoa.. full stop. Increased regulation, rules, and oversight are NEVER, NEVER the proper choice for a place you want to feel free in. They are, even by pure definition, counter to fostering freedom or the feeling of it. Even when said regulation might protect you from one thing you don't like, inevitably it hampers you in another area. Those kind of solutions always have and always will be a trade off, and an unwise one IMO. Not to mention you risk dictating how people run their businesses, which would be an intervention based on narrow vision, not seeing the stifling effect it would have down the road, and not caring as long as this one issue is resolved for you. That is the problem with choosing legislation over common sense methods. Only good advise is free... good LAWS/RULES will always cost you something.

He's the only other guy I know who'd consider Murray Rothbard "soft on statism".

Being a grassroots organization dedicated to getting democrats out to vote makes one communist?

Ok...

No, to think moveon is center right.

How much more would really be needed? Linden Labs is short staffed in the G-Team RESI mod department. Currently they are all pulled to answering Zindra tickets and according to Jack during his office hours- sometime after the tickets are finished they will be back on enforcing other recent policy changes.

Harassment is covered under TOS and CS. It does not specify any one industry over another. Repeated reports of the same person harassing someone will lead to warnings, suspensions and bannings. It doesn't matter if it's a pimp or a noob. If they do not grasp basic decency sooner or later they won't be here.

I saw the "buyer beware" when I joined and took that to mean I should know what I am getting into. I have had my share of weirdos, and am easy to find in world. The thing is, once I muted them- I never even saw them again. A lot of someones power over another comes from their victims response to them. If their victim doesn't respond, they move on. Does that mean they find a new victim? Possibly. There will always be asshats but I am not willing to have new rules when the issue is already addressed.



It is the same as in RL, if someone continues to stalk and harass you, then report it. The difference in SL is that you cannot suffer true physical harm. G-Team might be slow and understaffed but such behavior does catch up to people.

Rather than additional rules for adults to protect themselves from themselves, it seems far more empowering to teach people better SL skills. If they know people can't remotely control their accounts, that their avatar can't permanently die etc. that removes a lot of power from the creeps.



I am not aware of any major changes (other than Zindra) that might make the media interested in SL. I also don't know anyone who lives their SL worrying about how it might look in the media. What is here in the sex industry has always been here. Even the parts that are on the farther extremes.

There are cyber bullies throughout the internet. Educating people how to not fall victim to them works better than any rules.

The democratic party is right to center right...

They left center-left behind a long time back when they turned their backs on labor and started paying little more than lip service to minorities.

There's a different there - between moderate and leftist. Its the difference between Tony Blair and Hugo Chavez... moveon's smack dead in right-moderate land - alongside John Kerry and such - backing of whom being what gave them their national prominence

And i need a ROFL YM guy here for this one- lol- Moveon.org right! hahaha- Might as well say Codepink is real right wing too while you're at it.

Lately I have found, I think, that I have been a Libertarian all this time! Who knew??? Here I thought I was an Imperialist and an Anarchist according to a cousin of mine

Right-libertarian, left-libertarian, or anarchocapitalist?

I agree absolutely with this, even in the sense that I agree that new rules and regulations are not to be wished for . . . unless they are absolutely necessary.

I am honestly not sure what IS necessary. I've heard enough in this thread to suggest that there IS harassment going on the sex "industry" in SL, but I don't have a sense of how pervasive it is.

I also don't have a clear sense of how well the current ToS and CS covers the sorts of things that have been described here.

Without clearer answers to both of those questions, I'm not sure that I would call for better regulation.

However, I would, in any case VASTLY prefer that a "solution," if solution IS needed, come from the "grassroots" or "community" level.

So, just as a thought . . .

What if adult content providers formed a sort of "Better Business Association" themselves, maybe as part of the Zindra Alliance?

Such an organization could produce a set of standards for employers, employees, and customers, and could "certify" businesses that are compliant. Businesses would be penalized for failures to comply, through an established set of penalties, and businesses that repeatedly failed would lose certification.

Just a thought. Seems to me much preferable to LL's poorly-designed and badly enforced rules and regs . . .

If you aren't AnCap, your mother wears combat boots.

I have proposed this for regular businesses before and was told that people tried to have a BBB equivalent in SL but that it was rife with corruption.

I don't know if people would trust such a stamp or would think it was all bribes and cronyism.

Easiest way to find a good place to work is similar to real life.. talk to the current employees.

At our place, They are required to be in the group and pay a board rental. They are encouraged to spend time, its not required. Tips/fee's 100% employees. You can tell how well employees are treated simply by asking them. If people enjoy their place of business, for whatever reason, they usually don't mind talking about it.

Not sure if anyone mentioned it anywhere in here yet, but soon all adult workers in SL will have to be payment info on file/used, or age verified. All clubs will have to be on adult flagged land.. and that includes private islands, that will have to flag adult to remain in business. That should cut down on the amount of freebie avies that come in and claim mistreatment, and clubs that mistreat employees.. since they will mostly be all in close proximity, Shouldn't be hard to find a place that your suited to, that suits you to work with out all the BS associated with it.

~Brie