Is it legal to have private sex, in one's home?
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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-04-2009 08:54
From: AckAck Ackland So last night, after some prim wine we did the pixel pump and no thought police entered the premises. We even did it on the balcony!
I did, however, notice the tumbleweed guy floating in the air past my window. Weird. TMI!
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Desmond Shang
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09-04-2009 09:34
It may be legal now, but one never knows who will be making the policies for next year! 
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Scylla Rhiadra
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09-04-2009 09:36
From: Desmond Shang It may be legal now, but one never knows who will be making the policies for next year!  Well. They DID found New England. And beat the Dutch. Too bad about that "banning Christmas" thing though.
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-04-2009 09:42
From: Desmond Shang It may be legal now, but one never knows who will be making the policies for next year!  Bunch of button-wearing libertines!
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Desmond Shang
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09-04-2009 09:45
From: Argent Stonecutter Bunch of button-wearing libertines! Heavily into Bondage and Discipline too, from what I hear...
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Innula Zenovka
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09-04-2009 10:54
From: Pussycat Catnap I use cool viewer and it shows adult as adult. Its been updated since 1.23 came out. Thanks. I hadn't updated it from the first 1.23 version, but I've just downloaded the latest one and it's showing Adult as Adult. Presumably this means Emerald will be able to effect the same fix, too, when next they update. Thanks again. ETA A bit of research suggests it's to do with the version of RLV that Emerald's using: http://realrestraint.blogspot.com/2009/08/restrainedlife-1202.html?zx=a4bc8dabcbc128ea
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Ceka Cianci
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09-04-2009 11:11
From: Innula Zenovka Thanks. I hadn't updated it from the first 1.23 version, but I've just downloaded the latest one and it's showing Adult as Adult. Presumably this means Emerald will be able to effect the same fix, too, when next they update. Thanks again. ETA A bit of research suggests it's to do with the version of RLV that Emerald's using: http://realrestraint.blogspot.com/2009/08/restrainedlife-1202.html?zx=a4bc8dabcbc128eaemerald is the same..it has the option to switch on all ratings 
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Ceka Cianci
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09-04-2009 11:15
From: spinster Voom Yes, you are right, but there is not much reassurance on the page you quote from either, which does indeed promise examples of distinctions between "public" and "private", but they are not there. It says near the top, that a region must be designated Adult "if it advertises or publicly promotes ..." and then further down it says much the same thing under the heading, "What are "Mature" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?" - it gives examples of PUBLIC spaces that are Mature "so long as they don't host publicly promoted adult activities or content.", but not a word about private content. And that is all there is, anywhere.
I know I am splitting hairs and being paranoid, but the whole thing seems very slippery to me. i'll look at that more when i get home from work..my lunch will be here and gone if i started to re-read them now hehehe. i know they are far from easy to understand and new people to SL are really gonna be lost.. you almost have to have a system to understand their system and then they go and change things around and we have to start over again lol 
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Innula Zenovka
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09-04-2009 13:51
From: Ceka Cianci emerald is the same..it has the option to switch on all ratings  Where? I'm not talking about being able to see Adult stuff in search; I'm talking about standing somewhere on Zindra and seeing it described as Adult rather than Mature at the top of the screen.
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Ceka Cianci
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09-04-2009 17:08
From: spinster Voom Yes, you are right, but there is not much reassurance on the page you quote from either, which does indeed promise examples of distinctions between "public" and "private", but they are not there. It says near the top, that a region must be designated Adult "if it advertises or publicly promotes ..." and then further down it says much the same thing under the heading, "What are "Mature" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?" - it gives examples of PUBLIC spaces that are Mature "so long as they don't host publicly promoted adult activities or content.", but not a word about private content. And that is all there is, anywhere.
I know I am splitting hairs and being paranoid, but the whole thing seems very slippery to me. It is there but it is kind of tricky..Basically you have to look at the definitions as written to businesses more than it would be to a resident..because adult rating is all business... Mature residents do not pay for add space for their bedroom or sex beds or toys or whatever they do in their homes..They would fall under a business then and have to either rate as adult or drop their adds out of the search and clean up their groups.. I hate to keep quoting this but it is easier for me to explain.. ---------------------------------------- Adult Regions, Groups, and Listings Second Life is an adult community, but "Adult" content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life "mainland." Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra. In either case, any Adult content, activity, or communication, that falls under our Adult Maturity Definition must be on regions designated as "Adult," and will be filtered from non-verified accounts. ((So what makes the content and activities and communications adult ?we look at the adult definitions..)) The Adult designation applies to Second LifeĀ® Regions that host conduct or display content that is sexually explicit or intensely violent, or depicts illicit drug use. Any Region must be designated Adult and therefore require account verification, if it advertises or publicly promotes the following: * Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm) * Photo-realistic nudity; photo-realistic means that an image either is or cannot be distinguished from a photograph * Expressly sexually themed content, spaces or activities (whether or not photo-realistic); we will broadly define what is "sexually themed" to include any sexually oriented activities and conduct =========== ((I won't go into PG because we all know nothing adult or mature can be there lol Aaaaanyways here is the second half which really we don't need because the answer is in the first half of the CS and the adult definition..But just to give an idea of what makes something private or public..)) Other regions may be designated as either "Mature" or "PG." For more information on how to designate land, events, groups, and classified listings, please carefully read the "Maturity Definitions." ====== What are "Mature" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds? Second Life's Mature Designation is intended to accommodate most of the non-adult activities that are common in Second Life. For instance, social and dance clubs (unless those clubs promote sexual conduct or use adult search tags), bars, stores and malls, galleries, music venues, beaches, parks (and other spaces for socializing, creating, and learning) all support a Mature designation so long as they don't host publicly promoted adult activities or content. ((Right there they explain as long as they do not promote publicly adult activities or content...If you don't promote it then it is considered mature content and activities ect..If you are not promoting it to the public then it is considered to be private..))) Thus, Residents in these spaces should expect to see a variety of themes and content. For instance, stores that sell a range of content that includes some "sexy" clothing or objects can generally reside in Mature rather than Adult Regions. Dance clubs that feature "burlesque" acts can also generally reside in Mature Regions so long as they don't promote sexual conduct, such as through pose balls (whether in "backrooms" or more visible spaces). However, if any of these businesses uses adult-oriented search tags, it may be categorized as adult and also blocked from appearing in non-adult search. Groups, events and classifieds that relate to this broad range of activities and themes generally should also be designated as Mature. ((Basically adult content activities and groups and communication is all business where mature is not..What separates mature activities and adult activities? advertizing more or less in any way to the pubic..))
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Ceka Cianci
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09-04-2009 17:09
From: Innula Zenovka Where? I'm not talking about being able to see Adult stuff in search; I'm talking about standing somewhere on Zindra and seeing it described as Adult rather than Mature at the top of the screen. I'm sorry i misunderstood what you meant hehehehe..Now i am going to have to see for myself..I never really noticed or even looked up there since i had gotten this viewer..
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Dagmar Heideman
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09-05-2009 00:35
From: Desmond Shang It may be legal now, but one never knows who will be making the policies for next year!  Ooooh. Cosplay! Kinky! 
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spinster Voom
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09-05-2009 05:07
From: Ceka Cianci It is there but it is kind of tricky..
snipped: half of the KB
((Basically adult content activities and groups and communication is all business where mature is not..What separates mature activities and adult activities? advertizing more or less in any way to the pubic..)) Ceka, I think we are talking at cross-purposes here. I know that at the moment Adult only applies to advertised content. I know that at the moment they are not going after content in people's homes. I have read all this  My concern is precisely that it is so tricky to find, that it is inferred by what is NOT mentioned, and that it is tucked away in the KB (which we don't have to "agree" to) instead of clearly written in the CS (which we do "agree" to). All it would take to prevent a lot of worry, not to mention a lot of misguided AR's, is one simple line of text in the CS. Just inserting the phrase "public or advertised" in a couple of places would make a huge difference, so that instead of ... From: someone Second Life is an adult community, but "Adult" content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life "mainland." Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra. In either case, any Adult content, activity, or communication, that falls under our Adult Maturity Definition must be on regions designated as "Adult," and will be filtered from non-verified accounts. Other regions may be designated as either "Mature" or "PG." For more information on how to designate land, events, groups, and classified listings, please carefully read the "Maturity Definitions."
we could have ... From: someone Second Life is an adult community, but PUBLIC OR ADVERTISED "Adult" content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life "mainland." Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra. In either case, any PUBLIC OR ADVERTISED Adult content, activity, or communication, that falls under our Adult Maturity Definition must be on regions designated as "Adult," and will be filtered from non-verified accounts. Other regions may be designated as either "Mature" or "PG." For more information on how to designate land, events, groups, and classified listings, please carefully read the "Maturity Definitions."
They have chosen not to do that and I think that is more than a bit shady. It leaves them a hell of a lot of wiggle room for a later date, which I am sure was exactly the intention. The way it is written they can do a complete U-turn on this without having to change a single word of the CS.
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Smith Peel
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09-05-2009 06:15
From: spinster Voom It leaves them a hell of a lot of wiggle room for a later date, which I am sure was exactly the intention. The way it is written they can do a complete U-turn on this without having to change a single word of the CS. Well-said and that is my concern also.
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Maelstrom Janus
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09-05-2009 06:49
Isnt it ironic that the video on the home page of the new web site mentions 'love' but not sex.....
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Smith Peel
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09-05-2009 06:53
From: Maelstrom Janus Isnt it ironic that the video on the home page of the new web site mentions 'love' but not sex..... Good point!! People in love never have sex 
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Raymond Figtree
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09-05-2009 09:06
From: Maelstrom Janus Isnt it ironic that the video on the home page of the new web site mentions 'love' but not sex..... Well I love the Miami Dolphins but I'm not having sex with them.
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Ceka Cianci
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09-05-2009 09:16
From: spinster Voom we could have ... From: someone Second Life is an adult community, but PUBLIC OR ADVERTISED "Adult" content, activity and communication are not permitted on the Second Life "mainland." Such material is permitted on private regions, or on the Adult Continent, Zindra. In either case, any PUBLIC OR ADVERTISED Adult content, activity, or communication, that falls under our Adult Maturity Definition must be on regions designated as "Adult," and will be filtered from non-verified accounts. Other regions may be designated as either "Mature" or "PG." For more information on how to designate land, events, groups, and classified listings, please carefully read the "Maturity Definitions."
They have chosen not to do that and I think that is more than a bit shady. It leaves them a hell of a lot of wiggle room for a later date, which I am sure was exactly the intention. The way it is written they can do a complete U-turn on this without having to change a single word of the CS. I think then it would make the content even more confusing since that is what separates adult from mature.. the definitions are part of the CS and defines what adult is..Just as the TOS says to look to the CS..the CS says to look to the Maturity definitions..it is just an expansion of the CS..adding a short version of the explanation is gonna have people thinking that adult is a thing instead of adult being a rating of how something is used.. you would have to add the whole definition before the word.. a few things i would change in the definitions.. "In the FAQs below, we offer examples as to what types of Regions are and are not considered adult, based on, for example, distinctions between "public" and "private" content, as well as distinctions between content that is "expressly sexually themed" and content that is not. " take out the word FAQ and change it to "EXPLANATIONS BELOW" because it leads people to looking for the FAQ which the only one most see is at the bottom instead of the next two questions..I fell for that a few times at first myself hahahah.. and show more clearly where they are speaking of public and private.. also add something a bit more clear in the mature definition that relates to residents and their land that are not involved with a business of any kind..there is too much confusion when they pretty much talk to only part of the community..speak to land owners as well not just the ones in the search.. i think LL speaks to us as say someone with 3 years in sl would speak to a new person to sl with a question.. omg my avatar is all black and my hair is all different colors.. oh just do a rebake and clear your cache that should help.. Huh? if they would have went into detail like they do in the TOS with the definitions i think there would be a lot less confusion of what mature is..they are very clear on what adult is and as soon as i understood that i understood the rest..so anything not adult would be ok in mature..thats how i see it.. But i do agree they are like the riddler at times with important things.. and i agree that they can change at any moment..we don't have to agree to a CS..just the TOS..we didn't have to agree the last time they changed the CS a couple months back when we thought we had adult content figured out .. Talk about a draining moment lol..Oh i got it i know what it is!!! \o/ oh did you hear they just changed the CS? wha huh? nooooooooooooooooo!!!! back to the ole drawing board lol  My theory is this..put all that content and horney stuffs and blood and gory on an island and see how long it survives..we'll let the residents decide about mainlands..
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Smith Peel
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09-05-2009 09:18
From: Raymond Figtree Well I love the Miami Dolphins but I'm not having sex with them. But are you dating their avatars? 
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