Is it legal to have private sex, in one's home?

And while people are reading, lets reinforce The facts....

1. Marking a parcel of mature land with the restriction "age verified only' does NOT make you adult policy compliant.

2. If you own a private island, and even 1/8 of your island has Adult content, you will either have to "clean it up" or mark the ENTIRE sim Adult. Again, marking the one parcel *age verified only* DOES NOT make you within the rules.

3. If you are on mature mainland and have an adult business, there is NOTHING you can change on your personal parcel/region settings to conform to the new rules. You will have to either rent/buy *Adult* rated land to continue your commercial/free-open public sex, or close. (and yes, free sex areas that are open to the public may not make a profit, but are still considered commercial)

4. If your region.. mainland or private island is Flagged *ADULT* no further action is necessary. This will automatically restrict your land to people that are payment info on file, payment info used, OR age verified. You ARE NOT required to add any additional restrictions beyond the *adult* Land rating.

5. Unless something has changed in the past week, non-commercial in your home, private pixel-humping is allowed. No matter your race, creed, religion, human or otherwise, as long as its NOT advertised, you should be fine... as long as your not *out in the open*.

Hope that helps make a few things clear.. there are a lot of us that have been fighting this since March, pushing for changes, and alterations, and better ways...we didn't get far, but we DID get moved to Zindra.

~Brie

Here's my extremely paranoid conspiracy theory (so, obviously, take no notice ):

Those of us who care enough to have been following the changes have already read the CS as they stand at the moment, including following the tortuous links to find the vague references about private content being unaffected. Their hope is that, because we *think* we have already read it, we will just click "I Agree" without checking for further changes.

Meanwhile,

1. they will have quietly erased all traces of any mention of public versus private content from the KB, the forums and anywhere else, and it will be as the previous poster said: no sex anywhere on mature, at all, but oh dear, too late, we have all just agreed (not that we have much choice if we want to stay inworld in any case).

2. there is a mad scramble for land on Zindra.

3. profit.

Paranoid, I know, but if you follow the links in the current CS, through the KB article to the FAQ here (where it says the public/private thing is clarified):

https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=6032

there is no mention of it ... not a single word, and I'm sure there was at one point. ALL we have is the phrase "if it advertises or publicly promotes", on one page of the KB, not in the CS itself.

But yes, for now, what Brieanne said.

you misunderstood what frequently asked questions they were talking about heheheh
"In the FAQs below, we offer examples as to what types of Regions are and are not considered adult, based on, for example, distinctions between "public" and "private" content, as well as distinctions between content that is "expressly sexually themed" and content that is not. "

it was these two.
"What are "Mature" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?"
"What are "PG" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?"

where you thought they meant these..
"Please refer to our FAQs for further guidance on the implementation and enforcement of this policy, information on our account verification procedures, and information on how we will transition our Region owners and merchants to this system in an efficient way."

I been thinking something along the same lines. They are already obfuscating the issue of sex in private on mainland.

Going to be a while, then, because 1.23 is not acceptable.

ya i think it's gonna be a little while before we see it too..

A slightly relevant comment.... I just happen to have *heard* that the best sex happens with clothes on, whilst sitting on a sofa....now if anyone wants to AR that, we have problems.

What happens in IM stays in IM.



Unless someone later posts the chat log.

They may have said this at one point, but on Wednesday, Blondin seemed to be saying that they'll start to be enforced starting in the next couple of weeks; see http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Office_Hour_transcript_-_Blondin_Linden:_9-02-2009 around 15:49 and following. He announced a couple of weeks back -- http://www.slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Zindra_Alliance_-_Blondin_Linden_Meeting_Transcript:_10-08-2009 "[11:36] Blondin Linden:The way that I undestand it now, is that 1.23 won't be a manditory update." -- that they had changed their minds and aren't going to make 1.23 mandatory.

Well if it is not in a mandatory viewer update then we will see it on login i'm sure..
All i know is it was going to be when we had to agree to a new TOS..
I would think they could add that at any time..

The next couple of weeks would not really be so off track from what they were looking at before..They couldn't really do it while the swaps were going on..They said a few of months after the swaps had started and it's a few months now..
The viewer was not the important point .The TOS change was..If they can add it without a mandatory viewer change i'm all for that..I like the one i have now heheheheh

No AR from me. More like a RAWRRRR.........

chat logs pls.

He said they will be sending notices and also a date on the blog that it will say the enforcement date..
As long as there is a date of change over that's all i am worried about ..That's all i was looking for with the TOS change in a new viewer.Just a reference to when it has actually changed over..
If they keep the same TOS then i'm fine with that..Thats just one less time i have to re-read it again

Sorry for requoting you.I just wanted to explain why i was looking so hard at the TOS change..

Addendum to #5, as per Blondin Linden:

On PG rated land no sex is ever allowed anywhere, inside your private home or otherwise. You're not even allowed to rez a sex bed in your bedroom on PG land.

Which has always been the case...technically.

Sorry, I had mistaken your initial point and just wanted to emphasise that enforcement and mandatory viewer updates were now decoupled. We will, though, get some sort of warning, at least according to Blondin -- a necessary caveat, since he seems pretty much out of the loop about what his colleagues have planned for us -- but I wouldn't want to put money on how much warning we'll be given.

They're also, again, according to Blondin, in the process of changing the server code so that Adult-flagged/filtered stuff won't any longer show up in search unless you're using 1.23, are verified and have your preferences correctly set.

I'm wondering, rather, where this leaves people using stuff like Emerald (and, I think Henri Beauchamp's Cool Viewer), which shows "Adult" as "Mature" (though they both did, as I recall, show "Adult" as "Adult" for a couple of weeks). I wonder if we will be able to see "Adult" adverts with anything other than the official viewer. Can anyone who spends much time on Aditi cast any light on this?

This is why I started to create perfect PG-sofas.

I would not create and sell beds anymore since a couple would be *not longer alone* in their bed because on left side of the bed stands a Linden lawyer, on right side of the bed stands a Linden Lawyer, on bed-head stands the G-team and on foot-end of the bed stands the divorce-lawyer* (<---this* is just like it is in RL and a standard attribute of any bed).

I understand that this is Linden Lab's *way* to give a new *thrill* to former boring sex activities of their dear customers and that it is made for a better and predictable sexual experience to connect *fear and law and guilty conscience* back to sexuality, but I am just too lazy to write the fitting notecards for beds for sale which would have to explain to my customers that they not only bought a simple multipose - bed but also and additional a bundle of invisible lawyer - and governance tools which could rez randomly and by surprise in the middle of action.

Yes, you are right, but there is not much reassurance on the page you quote from either, which does indeed promise examples of distinctions between "public" and "private", but they are not there. It says near the top, that a region must be designated Adult "if it advertises or publicly promotes ..." and then further down it says much the same thing under the heading, "What are "Mature" Regions, groups, events, and classifieds?" - it gives examples of PUBLIC spaces that are Mature "so long as they don't host publicly promoted adult activities or content.", but not a word about private content. And that is all there is, anywhere.

I know I am splitting hairs and being paranoid, but the whole thing seems very slippery to me.

According to what Blondin said in his Office Hour, I am even entitled to sell my adult poseballs and sexbeds from Mature land. The only issue there is that I cannot advertise them of course.

This means that my furniture store can keep on selling sexbeds, but I cannot have them listed in search. Yet every customer coming into my store, can buy them anyway.
This also means I can open up a shop (my old one closed) selling full perm animation packs for builders. But I cannot list them in search as sex animations, I will have to comply with the restricted words in search or in ads.

Now reading the above, I am pretty sure that one can do exactly as one wants in their own homes. If I can sell working sexbeds, you can use them in your house as well. Would be pretty weird if you can test out the animations in a store on Mature land, but cannot test them out in your home.
Might be interesting to put up some skyboxes to test out the best, great for my traffic numbers

"Illegal sex is more fun then legal sex"

note: the above statement applies only to Second Life, I do not condone illegal sex in Real Life, it occurred to me that i should make that clear.

I know all this, and you are right. I just really don't want to have to rely on what Blondin said in an office hour or on a forum. To me, it does look shady that they haven't spelled this out properly in the KB and that they have made absolutely no mention of it in the CS. Anybody reading just the CS would assume that it means no sex anywhere on Mature. What would it have cost them to put just one line of text in clarifying this?

While you made that clear, the whole planet has sex from the grounds of the oceans up to the troposphere, 24/7 - 365/year.

(Just watching two flies having sex under the lamp of my room and just imagine billions of house-dust-mites havening sex on my mattresses and in my bed sheets, also my intestinal bacterias having sex all day to raise their different populations or to hold them in balance against each of their species. - Ah, there is so much sex in and around us..., hahaha, I am sure we're living on a porn-planet)

I could bet, that there is also sometimes sex in the one or the other office-room at Li...well, shhhhh...

I use cool viewer and it shows adult as adult. Its been updated since 1.23 came out.

You store itself cannot be in search. Nor can the plot its on be in search. Nor anything in that plot.

Thanks all for your replies. I was alternately worried or elated by your comments.

So last night, after some prim wine we (held hands) and no thought police entered the premises. We even (held hands) on the balcony!

I did, however, notice the tumbleweed guy floating in the air past my window. Weird.


EDIT: Forgot this is a PG forum...